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OT: Real World efficacy of each vaccine

Imagine if HCQ/Ivermectin/Zinc were promoted and substituted for vaccines helping boost natural immunity? Imagine how many billions of dollars big Pharma would lose out in vaccinations and boosters?!
Glad to see that you are still promoting HCQ despite most of the MAGA/Covid isn't real/FREEDOM world moving on from that particular line of BS. Good for you for never changing your opinion.

I tell you what if Pfizer came out and said we are gonna donate just 1/8 of the profits back to pay of national debt created from these jabs, I would consider it. unfortunately the greed runs rampant at that level and they will allow the economy to collapse and debt increase to never seen before levels, just so they can make their profits.

I will relish in my natural immunity and continue to preach that nobody cares about you, your family, or grandma/grandpa.

I’ll be by later to take your guns too, cause you don’t need those if you are not gonna protect free speech. And none of y’all vaxx proponents are interested in protecting speech or freedom of civil discourse, or why not let all the doctors talk? Ya know even the ones that you don’t agree with? I listen to yours why won’t you listen to mine?
Who says I'm not protecting free speech. No one is preventing you from making yourself look like an idiot. I'm just choosing to use my free speech to point out when you sounds like a dumbass
 
For some reason, people think that all the sudden big Pharma gained a conscience and decided they were gonna ram something down your throat for your own good. Instead of chasing billions of profits as we have seen over the years. If you think there is not a cure for cancer, because Big Pharma is hiding it, yet you believe Covid vaccines are legit, it must be hard being so conflicted.
I almost missed this gem. Are you claiming that big pharma is burying the cure for cancers? Please elaborate for our entertainment.

If you don't believe it, what the hell are you talking about?
 
From npr so totally fing legit...

WTF does this have to do with any previous conversation in this thread besides being about Covid? Thanks for playing

Did you read it? Actually a news outlet giving some positive non political news on the fight against the virus. I thought these statements in particular were interesting...

"People who have had a "hybrid" exposure to the virus. Specifically, they were infected with the coronavirus in 2020 and then immunized with mRNA vaccines this year. "Those people have amazing responses to the vaccine," says virologist Theodora Hatziioannou at Rockefeller University, who also helped lead several of the studies. "I think they are in the best position to fight the virus. The antibodies in these people's blood can even neutralize SARS-CoV-1, the first coronavirus, which emerged 20 years ago. That virus is very, very different from SARS-CoV-2."

and then....

"In a recent study, published online in late August, Wherry and his colleagues showed that, over time, people who have had only two doses of the vaccine (and no prior infection) start to make more flexible antibodies — antibodies that can better recognize many of the variants of concern."

and then...

""Based on all these findings, it looks like the immune system is eventually going to have the edge over this virus," says Bieniasz, of Rockefeller University. "And if we're lucky, SARS-CoV-2 will eventually fall into that category of viruses that gives us only a mild cold.""
 
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Maybe one of you smart people can do the math here for me as explained by this Japanese immunologist.

What is 90% of 1% anyway?

Haha, you can post all the nonsense you want. Vaccines are coming for you too

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Except that actually getting Covid to get natural immunity is far more dangerous than getting a vaccine. Not sure how that's even an argument.
Sounds to me like the most effective course with the least risk is 1) Get Vaxxed, 2)Have a mild case of Covid.
 
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I'd like not to get sick and die soon. 1300 people in America have died every day for the last week from Covid. 80-90% of those deaths are people who have not been vaxxed. So I am glad I am vaxxed. I've yet to understand the math that suggests not getting vaxxed is a wise course of action.
 
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I'd like not to get sick and die soon. 1300 people in America have died every day for the last week from Covid. 80-90% of those deaths are people who have not been vaxxed. So I am glad I am vaxxed. I've yet to understand the math that suggests not getting vaxxed is a wise course of action.

What percentage of those people had a comorbidity?

There are other equations out there that yield an extremely minuscule likelihood of severe illness or death from covid. Younger age, not having any comorbidities, healthy diet, plenty of vitamins, past case of covid that was very minor, etc.
 
What percentage of those people had a comorbidity?

There are other equations out there that yield an extremely minuscule likelihood of severe illness or death from covid. Younger age, not having any comorbidities, healthy diet, plenty of vitamins, past case of covid that was very minor, etc.

All of which is true, but the easiest and quickest remedy to the most immediate danger is to be vaccinated and boosted.
 
Then you should feel free to infect everyone with a BMI over 30 with no shame! 😅

Hold on, I thought we've all agreed that vaccines aren't preventing infection or spread anymore. That the goal is to prevent hospitalization, death and the burden on our healthcare system?

Look, most people should get vaccinated. Because most people in the US have some risk factor (age, weight, health condition, etc). But for those that have an extraordinarily low risk of complication, we should stop vilifying them.

I posted this in another thread. ~20K people under 40 have died from covid out of a population of over 168 million (51% of US). Most of those had a comorbidity. Filter out those, and the risk for a perfectly healthy person under 40 is infinitesimal.
 
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Hold on, I thought we've all agreed that vaccines aren't preventing infection or spread anymore. That the goal is to prevent hospitalization, death and the burden on our healthcare system?

Look, most people should get vaccinated. Because most people in the US have some risk factor (age, weight, health condition, etc). But for those that have an extraordinarily low risk of complication, we should stop vilifying them.

I posted this in another thread. ~20K people under 40 have died from covid out of a population of over 168 million (51% of US). Most of those had a comorbidity. Filter out those, and the risk for a perfectly healthy person under 40 is infinitesimal.
Why do we keep having this conversation? Yes, the vaccinated can spread it but they are less likely to become infected in the first place.

"Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines, the most widely administered shots in the U.S., are only about 10% effective at preventing symptomatic infection from omicron 20 weeks after the second dose. Booster doses, however, increase protection and are up to 75% effective at preventing infection two to four weeks after receiving a third shot."


 
Why do we keep having this conversation? Yes, the vaccinated can spread it but they are less likely to become infected in the first place.

"Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines, the most widely administered shots in the U.S., are only about 10% effective at preventing symptomatic infection from omicron 20 weeks after the second dose. Booster doses, however, increase protection and are up to 75% effective at preventing infection two to four weeks after receiving a third shot."



Thoughts on the rest?

For the healthy under 40 crowd, am I to assume we have abandoned death, hospitalization, burden on the healthcare system and many other reasons to get vaccinated? And the only remaining, reasonably compelling reason is to reduce the likelihood of infection by an unconfirmed %, even while many double and triple vaxxed people are getting it and spreading it?

Pretty much my entire team is triple vaxxed. Most have had covid in the last month. None even live in the same city, so it's not some regional concentration. Half my household had it after Christmas. Each of us was sick for 24 hours. Everyone is getting this variant, symptoms are generally mild and we need to move on with our lives. If you are at high risk, take additional measures to protect yourself.

But hey, maybe I'm way off, and even though 4 shots don't seem to be working in this Israeli study, we should keep poking away and see if we can get a global mandate for 5 doses for extremely healthy, low-risk young people. That should do it.

 
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Thoughts on the rest?

For the healthy under 40 crowd, am I to assume we have abandoned death, hospitalization, burden on the healthcare system and many other reasons to get vaccinated? And the only remaining, reasonably compelling reason is to reduce the likelihood of infection by an unconfirmed %, even while many double and triple vaxxed people are getting it and spreading it?

Pretty much my entire team is triple vaxxed. Most have had covid in the last month. None even live in the same city, so it's not some regional concentration. Half my household had it after Christmas. Each of us was sick for 24 hours. Everyone is getting this variant, symptoms are generally mild and we need to move on with our lives. If you are at high risk, take additional measures to protect yourself.

But hey, maybe I'm way off, and even though 4 shots don't seem to be working in this Israeli study, we should keep poking away and see if we can get a global mandate for 5 doses for extremely healthy, low-risk young people. That should do it.

We all agree that your first sentence is a good reason to get vaccinated and maybe it will become true that everyone will get Omicron - but maybe they won't. However, even if a vaccinated person becomes infected, they generally have a lower viral load after a couple days and shed less virus. Now multiply that by everyone in the population and math will explain it.
 
Why do we keep having this conversation? Yes, the vaccinated can spread it but they are less likely to become infected in the first place.

"Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines, the most widely administered shots in the U.S., are only about 10% effective at preventing symptomatic infection from omicron 20 weeks after the second dose. Booster doses, however, increase protection and are up to 75% effective at preventing infection two to four weeks after receiving a third shot."


“Up to 75%” that’s better than nothing but I can assure you that 75% number is under the best of circumstances and is probably closer to 50/50.
 
Hold on, I thought we've all agreed that vaccines aren't preventing infection or spread anymore. That the goal is to prevent hospitalization, death and the burden on our healthcare system?

Look, most people should get vaccinated. Because most people in the US have some risk factor (age, weight, health condition, etc). But for those that have an extraordinarily low risk of complication, we should stop vilifying them.

I posted this in another thread. ~20K people under 40 have died from covid out of a population of over 168 million (51% of US). Most of those had a comorbidity. Filter out those, and the risk for a perfectly healthy person under 40 is infinitesimal.
Don’t you love the moving goal posts. Haha
 
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