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Player suspended already for comments regarding Sam kissing his twink

Dbatz

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Cant wait till this ferry is cut, but its clear the NFL wanted him drafted and made sure it happened. The second he is cut he is gonna cry its because he was gay. This will end up being a year long drama.

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So, will the ref's be told to monitor trash talk and offer immediate ejections? If so, I can see a strategy emerging from the Rams...

I think difference between a gay player in an NFL locker room and an openly gay player in an NFL locker room is becoming clear already.

I am afraid this will turn the NFL into a soap opera for a year or two.
 
Originally posted by Dbatz:

Cant wait till this ferry is cut, but its clear the NFL wanted him drafted and made sure it happened. The second he is cut he is gonna cry its because he was gay. This will end up being a year long drama.
"Ferry" is a boat used to go back and forth between two places, most commonly needed when those two places are not connected by a bridge. I wonder would you call him a "fairy" to his face. However.....

I think Sam is more than likely a pretty stand up guy and a talented FB player obviously, he was co-SEC Def player of the year for goodness sake. While his skill set may not translate to the NFL, I don't think he'll cry if cut, but I do think you'll see some in the media run with it as anti-gay bias in the NFL and/or locker room.

And, in your defense I think you're right on one thing: the NFL wanted him drafted to avoid possible backlash, but I doubt they pressured any team to draft him.
 
Don Jones is now my favorite NFL player simply for saying what many,many others feel. Free speech,it seems,is only fine it has a staunch liberal feel. Obama,the courts,and the ultraliberal media are destroying the great country our forefathers founded.
 
Cris,

In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.

Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
 
I don't think his tweet was out if line. People are entitled to their opinions. You don't have to like or support those opinions, but you have to respect that persons RIGHT to have that opinion. I think it's funny that the groups of people always seeking equality and tolerance are the first ones to come charging in on their high horses and say you can't think that way, you can't have that opinion or we'll vilify you to no end.
 
Why is it ok to mock someones religion but not their sexuality?
 
Soooo, a guy can't have an opinion on this topic?? I don't agree with homosexuality & personally believe it's disgusting & sinful...should I get booted off TI for this???
 
Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,

In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.

Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
PKGinATL, I come down on your side completely. My comments were directed toward the suspension and fine.

You and I are definitely on the same page.

This is a vastly different country than I remember growing up, unfortunately. I cannot say I'm surprised.
 
Originally posted by Cris_Ard:

Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,

In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.

Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
PKGinATL, I come down on your side completely. My comments were directed toward the suspension and fine.

You and I are definitely on the same page.

This is a vastly different country than I remember growing up, unfortunately. I cannot say I'm surprised.
My bad. It seemed to be sarcastic response to OP. I interpreted wrong then.
 
Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Originally posted by Cris_Ard:

Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,

In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.

Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
PKGinATL, I come down on your side completely. My comments were directed toward the suspension and fine.

You and I are definitely on the same page.

This is a vastly different country than I remember growing up, unfortunately. I cannot say I'm surprised.
My bad. It seemed to be sarcastic response to OP. I interpreted wrong then.
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Originally posted by KingBMich:
Why is it ok to mock someones religion but not their sexuality?
Because apparently ALL Christians are knuckle-draggers, bigots, racists, and wear tin-foil hats. Don't you read 80% of the threads on TWZ?
 
My first thought was "if he can do THAT, flexibility must not be a problem!"
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Ferry? I think you meant Fairy

Listen, I don't really have an opinion on homosexuality, although I'm Christian. Who am I to judge who or what others like? I'll leave that up to God.

My two cents on this are:
- The whole kissing thing was a little over the top. But I'm going to judge him as a football player - not as a gay man. I'm sure it correlates but that's all I care about ... not this whole hoopla ESPN turned circus act 24/7 watch.
- The Dolphins player shouldn't be suspended, imo. But the Dolphins are the last organization that needs negative publicity.

At the end of the day, I hated Goodell's move to move back the NFL Draft. It's over the top coverage now .... I'm sure it was a good move financially for the NFL but man - we're going to be taking about this until Armageddon hits now
 
The guy is entitled to his opinion. I didn't see anyone else tongue pressing their significant other when they were drafted. It was a dumb move. I really hope this goes away soon. I am sick of hearing about it.
 
If those two words were really all the player tweeted then I don't think agree with the suspension. Having a problem with excessive PDA on TV is pretty common.


Sounds like the NFL is trying to make a statement on homosexuality though. Clearly they want the culture to change.

Brief question, why is it that so many of you immediately condemn racist statements such as Starlings but feel justified in treating gays the same way? What's the difference?

This post was edited on 5/12 9:12 AM by saber8689
 
now we all know, even if we don't know who, he is not the only gay person playing football. even college football ! to each his own i say !
 
Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,

In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.

Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.

Completely agree with this, and as a Christian, I realize that the best way to reach a person who sins is to keep my mouth shut and simply pray for them. Maybe if I'm feeling really audacious, I'll hand them a Bible.

Jesus said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"...well, I'm sure not picking up any rocks. Jesus also said, "judge not, lest ye be judged"...I pray for forgiveness of not only my trespasses (sins), but for the trespasses of others as well, and I hope that I have shown enough forgiveness towards others to be forgiven myself.
 
Originally posted by saber8689:

Brief question, why is it that so many of you immediately condemn racist statements such as Sterlings but feel justified in treating guys the same way? What's the difference?

This post was edited on 5/12 9:11 AM by saber8689
nobody, that I've seen, has said that he shouldn't be allowed to play or should be ostracized in any way. If his draft selection had been treated the same as the other 7th round selections, there would be no discussions going on. I get the significance and the historical perspective, but espn went way overboard.
 
There are just a blatent complete double standard when it comes to homosexuality now...

Take this situation for example...a player says something on twitter about Sam & is blasted by the league about it...where were the PC police when players & the media were blasting Tim Tebow for his Christianity stand though??

Take the Mark Jackson-Golden State situation for example. Jackson leads GS to the playoffs in consecutive years for the 1st time in forever yet is fired because GS wants to go in a different direction. Turns out, Mark Jackson is a christian ordained minister who had a few less-than-flattering remarks about the 1st openly gay NBA player. Well guess what, GS's president just happens to be an openly gay man as well who wasn't too happy about Jackson's comments. Connect the dots & you'll figure out why the 1st successful coach in forever at GS was fired. But no one talks much about that.

Double standards
 
Originally posted by Trading Tiger:
Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,

In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.

Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.

Completely agree with this, and as a Christian, I realize that the best way to reach a person who sins is to keep my mouth shut and simply pray for them. Maybe if I'm feeling really audacious, I'll hand them a Bible.

Jesus said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"...well, I'm sure not picking up any rocks. Jesus also said, "judge not, lest ye be judged"...I pray for forgiveness of not only my trespasses (sins), but for the trespasses of others as well, and I hope that I have shown enough forgiveness towards others to be forgiven myself.
Trading, it's easy to use that Bible verse about not judging to justify sitting back quietly and allowing anything and everything to go on because it's not your place to judge.

Jesus said: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues..."

He didn't call on us to not stand for what is right and speak the word about what is right. Rendering judgment is to render a final statement on a person. That is something we can never do because many come to the Father at later times of life. We are to speak the word and keep speaking it for all time. We are to never judge others in a final sense but rather we are to go to them with the word and try to keep it on their hearts and in their minds. Saying you won't judge behavior is taking what Jesus said totally out of context to try and make your life easier to live because you excuse yourself from ever having to take a stand. That is not what Jesus was saying and every other aspect of His life illustrates that clearly.

Please don't give in to that kind of exploitation of the word believing we are somehow supposed to be lukewarm observers of the world. The Christian life is not an easy one and it is often filled with challenges because society walks in the opposite direction most of the time.
 
Liberals starting to suffer collectivism


Liberalism is dead on the Democrat side of the isle. Socialist, and fascism is not far apart for the ruling solicialists that don't mind trouncing on individual rights.
 
Originally posted by PCHOI:
Ferry? I think you meant Fairy

Listen, I don't really have an opinion on homosexuality, although I'm Christian. Who am I to judge who or what others like? I'll leave that up to God.

My two cents on this are:
- The whole kissing thing was a little over the top. But I'm going to judge him as a football player - not as a gay man. I'm sure it correlates but that's all I care about ... not this whole hoopla ESPN turned circus act 24/7 watch.
- The Dolphins player shouldn't be suspended, imo. But the Dolphins are the last organization that needs negative publicity.

At the end of the day, I hated Goodell's move to move back the NFL Draft. It's over the top coverage now .... I'm sure it was a good move financially for the NFL but man - we're going to be taking about this until Armageddon hits now
I think a suspension for his comments is way too harsh. Had his tweet been something along the line of "that gay ****** giving love to his boy makes me want to puke" then I would understand it. I agree with the fact that the Dolphins more than any other team in the NFL has to walk a "straight" line and watch their "p's and q's".

As for some of the comments about what happened to the country we grew up in.......well the first 7 years of my life blacks and whites went to separate schools and the way blacks were treated was unfathomable to me so I don't want to go back to the good old days. I would certainly agree with the fact that we are becoming way too sensitive as a society. Right now every little thing about Michael Sam is going to be blown out of proportion, but just like everything else it's not going to be a big deal in the not too distant future. We will just have to get through OTA's, training camp, and maybe the first few games and this will start to go away.
 
Originally posted by Howard's Jock:
So OP is pulling for him to be cut solely because he's gay?

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No, its because he is a gay who chooses to exploit his sinful lifestyle choice.
 
When is someone going to come out and say the media is a bully for telling people what they can and can not say now? It's ridiculous that if you don't agree with something the media thinks is or isn't ok you will get crucified. People are not entitled to their own opinion anymore.
 
When was Tebow blasted for his faith? Not saying it didn't happen, but does anybody have a link? I don't remember him being explicitly targeted for his faith, though it was often assumed.
 
Originally posted by KingBMich:
Why is it ok to mock someones religion but not their sexuality?
I will provide the answer based on the thought at large.

Religion is a choice. You can be Christian, Buddhist, Atheist, Jewish, Protestant and many others. The large factions are mocked some but the extreme, rare versions: Wicken, cult factions, Scientologists are mocked daily. You can change your religion tomorrow if you want. You can choose to have no religion at all. Having options makes it debatable and subject to criticism. Many on this board CHOOSE to follow religions deep in protesting the way Christianity was being consumed. Essentially mocking earlier form of Christianity until it was comfortable(Methodist, Baptist) to your liking.

Sexuality is a natural attraction, not a decision. For the vast majority of people, you are not choosing your sexuality. I'm know there are some making a choice(and those folks IMO are subject to mocking - Lindsay Lohan/Samantha Ronson, white guy/with submissive Asian woman). But the vast majority are doing what comes natural.
is it cool to mock someone for missing an arm? Is it ok to make fun of someone who can't see? Is it ok to mock a person kissing another human being who are attracted to each other?

Im with the majority. Calling attention to oneself in that manner is not appropriate. That display on TV the other day is unnecessary and was exactly that, a display. Kiss each other as you normally do. If they do that every time, I stand corrected.
 
With all due respect Willence--this is exactly how Christ's teachings get twisted by those who want to use him to justify war and atrocities. Christ went to the most hated populations by the Jews--the hoar, the beggar, the disabled and treated them with the respect as human beings. He didn't love sin--he didn't say it was ok but he lifted all people because we are all god's children.

So the way we treat gay people, the way you talk about them as human begins is the way you treat Christ. When you have done it unto the least of these my brethern, you have done it unto me.

Christ's example says we need to love the person, even if we don't agree with what they are doing or stand for. It makes it hard for Christians to be able to walk this difficult line when so many people are filled with hate and hateful speech (which we know are from the opposition).
 
Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?

Good grief.
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.

Just makes me sick to think that people are expected to not spew hateful things anymore...
 
Originally posted by aembry05:
Don Jones is now my favorite NFL player simply for saying what many,many others feel. Free speech,it seems,is only fine it has a staunch liberal feel. Obama,the courts,and the ultraliberal media are destroying the great country our forefathers founded.
Amen!
 
Can't overlook this;

Miami just went through a PR disaster re: bullying, racism, etc.

They have to be sensitive to this type of stuff.

Further, remember that the entire league is also being watched closely, and the league knows it.

We can talk all day long about whether or not you think it should be this way, but the momentum/public opinion continues to shift towards gay rights being the next civil rights movement, and no one wants to get pegged on the wrong side of history.
 
Originally posted by clemben:
With all due respect Willence--this is exactly how Christ's teachings get twisted by those who want to use him to justify war and atrocities. Christ went to the most hated populations by the Jews--the hoar, the beggar, the disabled and treated them with the respect as human beings. He didn't love sin--he didn't say it was ok but he lifted all people because we are all god's children.

So the way we treat gay people, the way you talk about them as human begins is the way you treat Christ. When you have done it unto the least of these my brethern, you have done it unto me.

Christ's example says we need to love the person, even if we don't agree with what they are doing or stand for. It makes it hard for Christians to be able to walk this difficult line when so many people are filled with hate and hateful speech (which we know are from the opposition).
Appreciate your response. I'm just not clear on how you think I twisted his teachings? He lifted all people but he also said, with no ambiguity that He is the light and the way. That no one comes to the Father but through Him. I agree about how we treat others and as a result, I treat all people (except sometimes on these boards when I am a jerk and shouldn't be) with respect in my day to day life. I try to love everyone and for the most part, I am able to do that.
 
Cmon Charybdis...Tebow's faith was at the forefront of every Tebow media conversation.
 
Originally posted by Transference:

Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?

Good grief.
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.

Just makes me sick to think that people are expected to not spew hateful things anymore...
So what's your excuse then? Cause all you are his hateful toward anyone and everyone that disagrees with you. You would be the proverbial font of hate! :)
 
Originally posted by Willence:

Originally posted by Transference:

Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?

Good grief.
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.

Just makes me sick to think that people are expected to not spew hateful things anymore...
Quit being intolerant of my intolerance!!!!
FIFY
 
Originally posted by Transference:

Originally posted by Willence:

Originally posted by Transference:

Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?

Good grief.
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.

Just makes me sick to think that people are expected to not spew hateful things anymore...
Quit being intolerant of my intolerance!!!!
FIFY
No, you didn't. That isn't what I was saying. I am not tolerant of anyone. To tolerate means I put up with people despite my disdain for them. That's not the case. I respect and care for people. My life illustrates that. I'd wager a good sum of money yours does not. I do pray for you every day though in hopes you'll find your way out of whatever dark place you occupy now. There Lord will FIFY Transference. :)
 
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