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"Ferry" is a boat used to go back and forth between two places, most commonly needed when those two places are not connected by a bridge. I wonder would you call him a "fairy" to his face. However.....Originally posted by Dbatz:
Cant wait till this ferry is cut, but its clear the NFL wanted him drafted and made sure it happened. The second he is cut he is gonna cry its because he was gay. This will end up being a year long drama.
PKGinATL, I come down on your side completely. My comments were directed toward the suspension and fine.Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,
In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.
Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
My bad. It seemed to be sarcastic response to OP. I interpreted wrong then.Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
PKGinATL, I come down on your side completely. My comments were directed toward the suspension and fine.Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,
In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.
Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
You and I are definitely on the same page.
This is a vastly different country than I remember growing up, unfortunately. I cannot say I'm surprised.
Originally posted by PKGinATL:
My bad. It seemed to be sarcastic response to OP. I interpreted wrong then.Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
PKGinATL, I come down on your side completely. My comments were directed toward the suspension and fine.Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,
In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.
Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
You and I are definitely on the same page.
This is a vastly different country than I remember growing up, unfortunately. I cannot say I'm surprised.
Because apparently ALL Christians are knuckle-draggers, bigots, racists, and wear tin-foil hats. Don't you read 80% of the threads on TWZ?Originally posted by KingBMich:
Why is it ok to mock someones religion but not their sexuality?
FIFYOriginally posted by Cris_Ard:
Deer God what is our country coming to?
Good grief.
Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,
In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.
Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
nobody, that I've seen, has said that he shouldn't be allowed to play or should be ostracized in any way. If his draft selection had been treated the same as the other 7th round selections, there would be no discussions going on. I get the significance and the historical perspective, but espn went way overboard.Originally posted by saber8689:
Brief question, why is it that so many of you immediately condemn racist statements such as Sterlings but feel justified in treating guys the same way? What's the difference?
This post was edited on 5/12 9:11 AM by saber8689
Trading, it's easy to use that Bible verse about not judging to justify sitting back quietly and allowing anything and everything to go on because it's not your place to judge.Originally posted by Trading Tiger:
Originally posted by PKGinATL:
Cris,
In all due respect, it is a big deal. Not so much that a gay player is playing in the NFL, most people do not care. It is a big deal that anyone who holds that the lifestyle is sinful by the Bible, is squashed, fined, silenced, called a homophobic, etc. It is a big deal in this aspect. The Freedom of Religion is being taken away.
Christians who truly love God will care about any homosexual. Truly caring about someone does not condone everything someone does but seeks the best for them. It is a big deal to not be able to have a differing view.
Completely agree with this, and as a Christian, I realize that the best way to reach a person who sins is to keep my mouth shut and simply pray for them. Maybe if I'm feeling really audacious, I'll hand them a Bible.
Jesus said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"...well, I'm sure not picking up any rocks. Jesus also said, "judge not, lest ye be judged"...I pray for forgiveness of not only my trespasses (sins), but for the trespasses of others as well, and I hope that I have shown enough forgiveness towards others to be forgiven myself.
I think a suspension for his comments is way too harsh. Had his tweet been something along the line of "that gay ****** giving love to his boy makes me want to puke" then I would understand it. I agree with the fact that the Dolphins more than any other team in the NFL has to walk a "straight" line and watch their "p's and q's".Originally posted by PCHOI:
Ferry? I think you meant Fairy
Listen, I don't really have an opinion on homosexuality, although I'm Christian. Who am I to judge who or what others like? I'll leave that up to God.
My two cents on this are:
- The whole kissing thing was a little over the top. But I'm going to judge him as a football player - not as a gay man. I'm sure it correlates but that's all I care about ... not this whole hoopla ESPN turned circus act 24/7 watch.
- The Dolphins player shouldn't be suspended, imo. But the Dolphins are the last organization that needs negative publicity.
At the end of the day, I hated Goodell's move to move back the NFL Draft. It's over the top coverage now .... I'm sure it was a good move financially for the NFL but man - we're going to be taking about this until Armageddon hits now
No, its because he is a gay who chooses to exploit his sinful lifestyle choice.Originally posted by Howard's Jock:
So OP is pulling for him to be cut solely because he's gay?
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I will provide the answer based on the thought at large.Originally posted by KingBMich:
Why is it ok to mock someones religion but not their sexuality?
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?
Good grief.
Amen!Originally posted by aembry05:
Don Jones is now my favorite NFL player simply for saying what many,many others feel. Free speech,it seems,is only fine it has a staunch liberal feel. Obama,the courts,and the ultraliberal media are destroying the great country our forefathers founded.
Appreciate your response. I'm just not clear on how you think I twisted his teachings? He lifted all people but he also said, with no ambiguity that He is the light and the way. That no one comes to the Father but through Him. I agree about how we treat others and as a result, I treat all people (except sometimes on these boards when I am a jerk and shouldn't be) with respect in my day to day life. I try to love everyone and for the most part, I am able to do that.Originally posted by clemben:
With all due respect Willence--this is exactly how Christ's teachings get twisted by those who want to use him to justify war and atrocities. Christ went to the most hated populations by the Jews--the hoar, the beggar, the disabled and treated them with the respect as human beings. He didn't love sin--he didn't say it was ok but he lifted all people because we are all god's children.
So the way we treat gay people, the way you talk about them as human begins is the way you treat Christ. When you have done it unto the least of these my brethern, you have done it unto me.
Christ's example says we need to love the person, even if we don't agree with what they are doing or stand for. It makes it hard for Christians to be able to walk this difficult line when so many people are filled with hate and hateful speech (which we know are from the opposition).
So what's your excuse then? Cause all you are his hateful toward anyone and everyone that disagrees with you. You would be the proverbial font of hate!Originally posted by Transference:
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?
Good grief.
Just makes me sick to think that people are expected to not spew hateful things anymore...
FIFYOriginally posted by Willence:
Quit being intolerant of my intolerance!!!!Originally posted by Transference:
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?
Good grief.
Just makes me sick to think that people are expected to not spew hateful things anymore...
No, you didn't. That isn't what I was saying. I am not tolerant of anyone. To tolerate means I put up with people despite my disdain for them. That's not the case. I respect and care for people. My life illustrates that. I'd wager a good sum of money yours does not. I do pray for you every day though in hopes you'll find your way out of whatever dark place you occupy now. There Lord will FIFY Transference.Originally posted by Transference:
FIFYOriginally posted by Willence:
Quit being intolerant of my intolerance!!!!Originally posted by Transference:
I know right? We used to be able to talk as much shit as we wanted to people who were different than us. Could even beat them up and threaten their families. Now we can't even tweet vaguely hateful remarks while playing for a team that just went through the worst PR nightmare the NFL has ever seen a few months ago.Originally posted by Cris_Ard:
Dear God what is our country coming to?
Good grief.
Just makes me sick to think that people are expected to not spew hateful things anymore...