Scott Pruitt resigns, another swing and a miss for the master negotiator.

[Casa_del_Tigre]

You’d think such a great business man could hire ethical people. I can’t wait to see what new thief he hires to steal our tax dollars. Keep draining the swamp Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...epa-chief-scott-pruitt-resigns/?noredirect=on

 

[MBRO]

New man in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency is Andrew Wheeler, who is well-qualified with a background as a former......(squinting).....coal industry lobbyist.

 

[orangelvis]

https://lists.grabien.com/list-epa-scandals-under-obama-administration

Pruitt did an awesome job and quashed many idiotic regs. Compared to former EPA chiefs, his baggage was nothing. Can't explain it to mind-controlled libs, however.

 

[FLaw47]

Can't explain it

Nothing new, then.

 

[johnhugh]

New man in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency is Andrew Wheeler, who is well-qualified with a background as a former......(squinting).....coal industry lobbyist.

It’s too good to be true

 

[orangelvis]

44 Obama Era EPA Scandals the Media Ignored
Created by Tom (staff)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Gina McCarthy, Obama Administration, scandals,
Forbes

The EPA illegally used social media to push for new EPA regulations 06/28/2017 Judicial Watch
A subpoena was issued after McCarthy deleted nearly 6,000 text messages 03/26/2015 The Washington Times
Articles of impeachment were introduced against McCarthy after she was caught repeatedly lying to Congress 09/09/2015 Rep. Paul Gosar
The EPA inspector general said McCarthy was lying when she said Michigan deserved blame for the Flint crisis 10/20/2016 The Washington Post
After the Colo. mine disaster, the EPA covered up incriminating evidence to shield its agents from prosecution 08/15/2017 The Daily Signal
The EPA knew risk of a "blowout" before the Colorado mine disaster, and then later covered up this evidence 08/22/2015 NBC News
The EPA allowed a known, convicted child molester to remain on the payroll for years, putting him in a position to interact with the public. 05/18/2016 American Greatness
McCarthy was accused of permitting a workplace hostile to women, including letting workers download porn (even child porn) 04/30/2015 The House Oversight Committee
Gina McCarthy spent $630,000 on international travel from 2013-2016 03/21/2018 The Washington Free Beacon
Obama's EPA hid experimental data debunking the 2015 ozone rule 09/12/2017 JunkScience
Obama EPA employees earned overtime without justification 08/14/2017 The Washington Free Beacon
The EPA warned Alaskans to stop burning wood to keep warm. 01/01/2017 Townhall
While conducting water tests in Alaska, EPA agents treated locals like enemy combatants, even pointing a shotgun at a septuagenarian. 09/29/2016 Alaska Daily News
After committing one of the worst environmental atrocities in Colorado history with the Gold King Mine disaster, the EPA still insisted it should have control over the nearby Animas River. 02/23/2016 The Daily Caller
Even as the Obama Administration portrayed the Flint, Mich., water crisis as a failure of Michigan's Republican governor, records show his EPA knew about the issue but didn't tell anyone. 01/12/2016 The Detroit News
The EPA threatened a Wyoming man with $20 million in fines for creating an ecologically beneficial pond for his farm livestock. 08/27/2015 The Washington Times
The EPA's WaterSense program urged kids not to take too many baths. 04/19/2015 Front Page Mag
The EPA is creating a wireless system to track how long hotel guests spend in the shower as part of an effort to "modify their behavior." 03/17/2015 The Washington Free Beacon
The EPA exposed the elderly and other people with health issues to lethal pollutants as part of a study hoping to show the need for new EPA rules. 04/02/2014 The Daily Caller
A Bloomberg reporter was detained after attempting to ask the EPA administrator a question. 03/28/2014 The Daily Caller
A former EPA adviser pleaded guilty to $900,000 in pay fraud; administrator McCarthy blamed a colleague not acting. 09/04/2013 The Washington Post
The EPA gave an ethics award to a fake employee, "Richard Windsor," which was actually an alias the EPA administrator used to avoid federal record keeping laws. 06/10/2013 HotAir
The EPA leaked private information on farmers to radical environmental groups. 06/07/2013 Townhall
EPA workers at a Landover warehouse turned the space into a personal rec room/gym. 06/05/2013 The Washington Post
An inspector general's report found that conditions at an EPA warehouse included mold, rot, vermin feces, and "generally deplorable conditions." 06/04/2013 Reason
An EPA mandated vehicle emissions reduction device forced an ambulance to shut down on the way to the hospital; the patient died. 05/31/2013 The Daily Caller
A study found the EPA routinely waives fees for environmental groups seeking informatiom from the agency (more than 90 percent), while the media and watchdog groups received no such favors. 05/14/2013 The Washington Examiner
The EPA conducted a study in which children were intentionally exposed to diesel exhaust; when asked about it, they deleted all records of it from their website. 02/25/2013 JunkScience
Emails from EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson's secret account reveal her contempt for congressional oversight, the Wall Street Journal, and attempts to borrow art work from the Smithsonian for the EPA's office. 02/20/2013 The Washington Free Beacon
The EPA mandated gasoline blenders use a fuel ... that doesn't exist. 02/05/2013 The Christian Science Monitor
The EPA's mandated ethanol blend E15 has been discovered to destroy engines -- but the rule has not been repealed. 01/31/2013 The Blaze
The EPA mandate that cars in 2025 get 54.5 miles per gallon will effectively outlaw cars under $15,000, and will increase the average price of a car by $3,000. 12/26/2012 The Daily Signal
To avoid federal laws governing electronic record keeping, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used "alias" email accounts. 11/20/2012 NewsBusters
The EPA celebrated "Children Health Month" by encouraging schools to create "energy patrols" aimed at making students feel guilty for using electricity. 10/05/2012 CNS News
Obama's coal regulations led to Alpha Natural Resources to cut 1,200 jobs and close 8 mines. 09/18/2012 Associated Press
The EPA honored Hispanic Heritage Month with a poster of Che Guevara "and a bit of plagiarism." 09/13/2012 BuzzFeed
The EPA funneled money to a newspaper that largely focused on covering the EPA. 09/12/2012 The Washington Guardian
Obama's coal regulations led to PBS Coals to lay off 225 works, about 30 percent of its workforce. 07/23/2012 The Washington Examiner
The EPA ruled that carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant -- as a means to enact global warming regulations -- even though life on earth could not exist without it. 06/26/2012 The Daily Signal
Under Obama, the EPA ordained that "environmental justice" must govern their every decision; one effect was that people could sue a polluter, claiming racism. 05/17/2012 Breitbart
Obama's EPA imposed burdensome regulations instructing how to put canoes in the water in Canton, Conn. 01/13/2012 Patch
After Obama's EPA enacted new rules on greenhouse gases, political ally General Electric received an exemption. 02/04/2011 The Blaze
After a Democrat-led Senate rejects his global warming emissions law, Obama uses the EPA to impose them anyway 01/20/2010 The Heritage Foundation

 

[Rychek4]

44 Obama Era EPA Scandals the Media Ignored

I fail to see how this makes it better or okay for Scott Pruitt to be completely unethical. Since when was Ad Hominem an acceptable argument to make when one is failing their duty to the American people?

 

[orangelvis]

I fail to see how this makes it better or okay for Scott Pruitt to be completely unethical. Since when was Ad Hominem an acceptable argument to make when one is failing their duty to the American people?

Never said Pruitt didn't take liberties with the position that he shouldn't have. He did perform his duties, however, and cleaned up an agency that had been weaponized by Obama and previous admins.

 

[Rychek4]

Never said Pruitt didn't take liberties with the position that he shouldn't have.

You tried to make a conversation, a thread specifically about Scott Pruitt, into a conversation about Democrats and their corruption. You implied that the things Pruitt did didn't matter because Obama's administration did worse.

Those are facts. You attempted to use Ad Hominem to lessen the blow against your boy Trump.

That isn't how politics should work. As long as you view everything through the lens of Me/Us vs. Them, then the only thing you have done is hurt America. You embody what is wrong with American politics.

 

[poates6]

You tried to make a conversation, a thread specifically about Scott Pruitt, into a conversation about Democrats and their corruption. You implied that the things Pruitt did didn't matter because Obama's administration did worse.

Those are facts. You attempted to use Ad Hominem to lessen the blow against your boy Trump.

That isn't how politics should work. As long as you view everything through the lens of Me/Us vs. Them, then the only thing you have done is hurt America. You embody what is wrong with American politics.

I guess his point was something along these lines: where were you from 08-16 and why didn’t you give a shit then.

Literally you have been all over the round table the last 18 months but not really much before that. Pruitt did things wrong. Not nearly as much as his predecessors.

You are a microcosm of our media. See no evil hear no evil and speak no evil for 8 years. It’s amazing.

 

[MBRO]

Pruitt was the target of 16 separate ethics investigations. Can any former EPA director claim the same?

There’s nothing wrong with the stance that he was advancing Trump’s EPA agenda but not ethically suited for the office. And if the goal is to “Drain the Swamp”, Pruitt was the posterboy of what is wrong in Washington. Whataboutism doesn't apply when you claim that you're going to hold people to a higher standard.

 

[Rychek4]

I guess his point was something along these lines: where were you from 08-16 and why didn’t you give a shit then.

Literally you have been all over the round table the last 18 months but not really much before that. Pruitt did things wrong. Not nearly as much as his predecessors.

You are a microcosm of our media. See no evil hear no evil and speak no evil for 8 years. It’s amazing.

Considering I joined the boards in November 2015, and mostly lurked at first I think you already have your answer. But, if you think I didn't lose my shit on Obama and stuff like his NSA, then you are speaking from ignorance.

I would prefer a debate on the merits of my argument, not personal attacks.

 

[orangelvis]

You tried to make a conversation, a thread specifically about Scott Pruitt, into a conversation about Democrats and their corruption. You implied that the things Pruitt did didn't matter because Obama's administration did worse.

Those are facts. You attempted to use Ad Hominem to lessen the blow against your boy Trump.

That isn't how politics should work. As long as you view everything through the lens of Me/Us vs. Them, then the only thing you have done is hurt America. You embody what is wrong with American politics.

Yawn...not interested in debating politics. Exactly what is the "blow" against Trump that I'm trying to lessen. Pruitt accomplished much of what needed to be done to the EPA. I don't view anything through a me/us lens. Pruitt did good work while he was there. Hope new guy carries on with the same agenda. Obama weaponized the EPA against capitalism and Trump is fixing it. In this instance, that's all I care about.

 

[jamilee]

OP
Is that all you've got? Pitiful... I am just starting to get a little tired of WINNING!

 

[hopefultiger13]

Yawn...not interested in debating politics. Exactly what is the "blow" against Trump that I'm trying to lessen. Pruitt accomplished much of what needed to be done to the EPA. I don't view anything through a me/us lens. Pruitt did good work while he was there. Hope new guy carries on with the same agenda. Obama weaponized the EPA against capitalism and Trump is fixing it. In this instance, that's all I care about.

And there's the difference in Trumpians and Americans. This country was founded on rule of law.

But as you say here. You don't give a crap that he's got 15 investigations into unethical/illegal behavior because he's doing what YOU think is best. You did give a crap when Obama's guys were doing similar things because they were doing things YOU didn't like.

It's not OK to break the law just because someone is doing things you do/don't like. Unethical behavior is not OK. It would be wrong if the head of the EPA was taking handouts from Greenpeace OR the coal industry. It makes no difference. That's the major thing wrong with this country. People excuse behavior in people they agree with and raise hell about the same actions when they disagree. Both the Trumpians and the Lunatic Left are great at this.

First time I've seen you actually say it out loud... good on you for at least being honest about it.

 

[orangelvis]

And there's the difference in Trumpians and Americans. This country was founded on rule of law.

But as you say here. You don't give a crap that he's got 15 investigations into unethical/illegal behavior because he's doing what YOU think is best. You did give a crap when Obama's guys were doing similar things because they were doing things YOU didn't like.

It's not OK to break the law just because someone is doing things you do/don't like. Unethical behavior is not OK. It would be wrong if the head of the EPA was taking handouts from Greenpeace OR the coal industry. It makes no difference. That's the major thing wrong with this country. People excuse behavior in people they agree with and raise hell about the same actions when they disagree. Both the Trumpians and the Lunatic Left are great at this.

First time I've seen you actually say it out loud... good on you for at least being honest about it.

.....BS..... I never said Pruitt shouldn't go. All I said was he did a good job as far as the changes he's made with the EPA over reaching policies.

 

[hopefultiger13]

.....BS..... I never said Pruitt shouldn't go. All I said was he did a good job as far as the changes he's made with the EPA over reaching policies.

No sir you did not. You said he and Trump were fixing the ( in your opinion) broken EPA and in that instance that was all you cared about. Own it man! The ends justify the means.

 

[orangelvis]

No sir you did not. You said he and Trump were fixing the ( in your opinion) broken EPA and in that instance that was all you cared about. Own it man! The ends justify the means.

hahaha. Well, what I said is true. At the time of the post, Pruitt was already gone. They were/are fixing the EPA. BTW...what's next for you. You gonna start hassling people in restaurants? Gonna put on your pink pvssy cap, or join Antifa and start wearing a mask. Must really suck to be you right now. Gotta go for now. POTUS is about to drop the name of the new Supreme. Getting my popcorn ready. MAGA

 

[Rychek4]

hahaha. Well, what I said is true. At the time of the post, Pruitt was already gone. They were/are fixing the EPA. BTW...what's next for you. You gonna start hassling people in restaurants? Gonna put on your pink pvssy cap, or join Antifa and start wearing a mask. Must really suck to be you right now. Gotta go for now. POTUS is about to drop the name of the new Supreme. Getting my popcorn ready. MAGA

See, this is what I mean. You have no interest in what's best for America, only on being "right" and "winning". It's all a game, a way to get a hit of dopamine. Reducing politics to playtime.

 

[orangelvis]

See, this is what I mean. You have no interest in what's best for America, only on being "right" and "winning". It's all a game, a way to get a hit of dopamine. Reducing politics to playtime.

You couldn't be more wrong. The whole point of my conversation here is that I believe the policy changes, made by Pruitt at the EPA is good for America. His personal indiscretions; taking liberties with his expense accts, etc. was his downfall. "Winning", at least to me, are only policies, changes,etc that I believe are "good for America". This is why I believe Trump is MAGA. I truly believe and took him at his word when he said it, that Obama tried to "fundamentally change America", and that change would put America on a path to destruction. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary but certainly did in the general. The more I see Trump and understand what he's not only accomplished and is still trying to accomplish, the more I like him and understand that he is exactly what America needs.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

44 Obama Era EPA Scandals the Media Ignored
Created by Tom (staff)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Gina McCarthy, Obama Administration, scandals,
Forbes

The EPA illegally used social media to push for new EPA regulations 06/28/2017 Judicial Watch
A subpoena was issued after McCarthy deleted nearly 6,000 text messages 03/26/2015 The Washington Times
Articles of impeachment were introduced against McCarthy after she was caught repeatedly lying to Congress 09/09/2015 Rep. Paul Gosar
The EPA inspector general said McCarthy was lying when she said Michigan deserved blame for the Flint crisis 10/20/2016 The Washington Post
After the Colo. mine disaster, the EPA covered up incriminating evidence to shield its agents from prosecution 08/15/2017 The Daily Signal
The EPA knew risk of a "blowout" before the Colorado mine disaster, and then later covered up this evidence 08/22/2015 NBC News
The EPA allowed a known, convicted child molester to remain on the payroll for years, putting him in a position to interact with the public. 05/18/2016 American Greatness
McCarthy was accused of permitting a workplace hostile to women, including letting workers download porn (even child porn) 04/30/2015 The House Oversight Committee
Gina McCarthy spent $630,000 on international travel from 2013-2016 03/21/2018 The Washington Free Beacon
Obama's EPA hid experimental data debunking the 2015 ozone rule 09/12/2017 JunkScience
Obama EPA employees earned overtime without justification 08/14/2017 The Washington Free Beacon
The EPA warned Alaskans to stop burning wood to keep warm. 01/01/2017 Townhall
While conducting water tests in Alaska, EPA agents treated locals like enemy combatants, even pointing a shotgun at a septuagenarian. 09/29/2016 Alaska Daily News
After committing one of the worst environmental atrocities in Colorado history with the Gold King Mine disaster, the EPA still insisted it should have control over the nearby Animas River. 02/23/2016 The Daily Caller
Even as the Obama Administration portrayed the Flint, Mich., water crisis as a failure of Michigan's Republican governor, records show his EPA knew about the issue but didn't tell anyone. 01/12/2016 The Detroit News
The EPA threatened a Wyoming man with $20 million in fines for creating an ecologically beneficial pond for his farm livestock. 08/27/2015 The Washington Times
The EPA's WaterSense program urged kids not to take too many baths. 04/19/2015 Front Page Mag
The EPA is creating a wireless system to track how long hotel guests spend in the shower as part of an effort to "modify their behavior." 03/17/2015 The Washington Free Beacon
The EPA exposed the elderly and other people with health issues to lethal pollutants as part of a study hoping to show the need for new EPA rules. 04/02/2014 The Daily Caller
A Bloomberg reporter was detained after attempting to ask the EPA administrator a question. 03/28/2014 The Daily Caller
A former EPA adviser pleaded guilty to $900,000 in pay fraud; administrator McCarthy blamed a colleague not acting. 09/04/2013 The Washington Post
The EPA gave an ethics award to a fake employee, "Richard Windsor," which was actually an alias the EPA administrator used to avoid federal record keeping laws. 06/10/2013 HotAir
The EPA leaked private information on farmers to radical environmental groups. 06/07/2013 Townhall
EPA workers at a Landover warehouse turned the space into a personal rec room/gym. 06/05/2013 The Washington Post
An inspector general's report found that conditions at an EPA warehouse included mold, rot, vermin feces, and "generally deplorable conditions." 06/04/2013 Reason
An EPA mandated vehicle emissions reduction device forced an ambulance to shut down on the way to the hospital; the patient died. 05/31/2013 The Daily Caller
A study found the EPA routinely waives fees for environmental groups seeking informatiom from the agency (more than 90 percent), while the media and watchdog groups received no such favors. 05/14/2013 The Washington Examiner
The EPA conducted a study in which children were intentionally exposed to diesel exhaust; when asked about it, they deleted all records of it from their website. 02/25/2013 JunkScience
Emails from EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson's secret account reveal her contempt for congressional oversight, the Wall Street Journal, and attempts to borrow art work from the Smithsonian for the EPA's office. 02/20/2013 The Washington Free Beacon
The EPA mandated gasoline blenders use a fuel ... that doesn't exist. 02/05/2013 The Christian Science Monitor
The EPA's mandated ethanol blend E15 has been discovered to destroy engines -- but the rule has not been repealed. 01/31/2013 The Blaze
The EPA mandate that cars in 2025 get 54.5 miles per gallon will effectively outlaw cars under $15,000, and will increase the average price of a car by $3,000. 12/26/2012 The Daily Signal
To avoid federal laws governing electronic record keeping, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used "alias" email accounts. 11/20/2012 NewsBusters
The EPA celebrated "Children Health Month" by encouraging schools to create "energy patrols" aimed at making students feel guilty for using electricity. 10/05/2012 CNS News
Obama's coal regulations led to Alpha Natural Resources to cut 1,200 jobs and close 8 mines. 09/18/2012 Associated Press
The EPA honored Hispanic Heritage Month with a poster of Che Guevara "and a bit of plagiarism." 09/13/2012 BuzzFeed
The EPA funneled money to a newspaper that largely focused on covering the EPA. 09/12/2012 The Washington Guardian
Obama's coal regulations led to PBS Coals to lay off 225 works, about 30 percent of its workforce. 07/23/2012 The Washington Examiner
The EPA ruled that carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant -- as a means to enact global warming regulations -- even though life on earth could not exist without it. 06/26/2012 The Daily Signal
Under Obama, the EPA ordained that "environmental justice" must govern their every decision; one effect was that people could sue a polluter, claiming racism. 05/17/2012 Breitbart
Obama's EPA imposed burdensome regulations instructing how to put canoes in the water in Canton, Conn. 01/13/2012 Patch
After Obama's EPA enacted new rules on greenhouse gases, political ally General Electric received an exemption. 02/04/2011 The Blaze
After a Democrat-led Senate rejects his global warming emissions law, Obama uses the EPA to impose them anyway 01/20/2010 The Heritage Foundation

I’m not an obama fan... didn’t approve of his corrupt guys and don’t approve of Trumps corrupt guys.... what’s funny is you’re upset by obama and ignore trumps pick.

Not sure why I even responded to be honest. I can tell you 1 +1 = 2 but doesn’t mean you’ll believe it.

 

[orangelvis]

I’m not an obama fan... didn’t approve of his corrupt guys and don’t approve of Trumps corrupt guys.... what’s funny is you’re upset by obama and ignore trumps pick.

Not sure why I even responded to be honest. I can tell you 1 +1 = 2 but doesn’t mean you’ll believe it.

Haha. Don't understand why you people can't understand written English. What I didn't approve of, were Obama EPA policies. The corruption is a different topic. What I approved of with Pruitt, was the EPA policies and changes. The corruption is, again, a different topic.

 

[FLaw47]

Haha. Don't understand why you people can't understand written English. What I didn't approve of, were Obama EPA policies. The corruption is a different topic. What I approved of with Pruitt, was the EPA policies and changes. The corruption is, again, a different topic.

No, the corruption was actually the topic the whole time.

 

[orangelvis]

No, the corruption was actually the topic the whole time.

The thread certainly started out that way, yes. OP declared Pruitt to be a "another swing and a miss". In my responses, I pointed out that O's EPA was full of scandal, but few people even knew about them. I pointed out that Pruitt did a good job, in my view, with the policy and regs changes etc, and that his problems with expense money, over spending, etc was his downfall. Also mentioned that I hoped the new guy would keep up the good policy/regs work that Pruitt started. You guys are all triggered over nothing. You all are beginning to mimic the lunatic msm.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Haha. Don't understand why you people can't understand written English. What I didn't approve of, were Obama EPA policies. The corruption is a different topic. What I approved of with Pruitt, was the EPA policies and changes. The corruption is, again, a different topic.

The original post was about the corruption when Pruitt was when in office even though Trump ran on draining the swamp. You then vomitted out “but obama’s guy was corrupt too” bullshit. Trump failed when he said he’d drain the swamp and Trump failed when he said he’d send the Mexicans back home... obama was way more efficient at deportations ...but conservatives don’t care about big government spending anymore so no surprise there.

 

[orangelvis]

The original post was about the corruption when Pruitt was when in office even though Trump ran on draining the swamp. You then vomitted out “but obama’s guy was corrupt too” bullshit. Trump failed when he said he’d drain the swamp and Trump failed when he said he’d send the Mexicans back home... obama was way more efficient at deportations ...but conservatives don’t care about big government spending anymore so no surprise there.

You have no idea what The Swamp is. I'll just keep on enjoying MAGA and you guys figure out how you're gonna support Pelosi, Waters, Shumer, Ellison, Booker, and the rest of the mouth foaming, socialist, America haters. Have a great 6.5 years.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

You have no idea what The Swamp is. I'll just keep on enjoying MAGA and you guys figure out how you're gonna support Pelosi, Waters, Shumer, Ellison, Booker, and the rest of the mouth foaming, socialist, America haters. Have a great 6.5 years.

I hate liberals, also why I hate the fat liberal president we have right now. If you’d like to explain how jerking off N. Korea, being anti free trade, trying to control the media, or his anti due process views aren’t him being a liberal I’d love to hear it.

 

[Rychek4]

I hate liberals, also why I hate the fat liberal president we have right now. If you’d like to explain how jerking off N. Korea, being anti free trade, trying to control the media, or his anti due process views aren’t him being a liberal I’d love to hear it.

He can't reconcile Trump and the ideals of Conservatism. Because they have nothing in common.

 

[orangelvis]

I hate liberals, also why I hate the fat liberal president we have right now. If you’d like to explain how jerking off N. Korea, being anti free trade, trying to control the media, or his anti due process views aren’t him being a liberal I’d love to hear it.

It is more than I am willing to type, but a synopsis would start with a question:
How is he jerking off NK? I don't see it that way. I look at results and NK hasn't done any testing nor fired off any rockets. I don't pay any attention to NK rhetoric. I trust Pompeo.
He's not anti-free trade. He's playing a game of chicken with tariffs. He has publicly stated that his goal is have no tariffs from all parties. What could be more free trade than that? The result of this stare down is yet to be seen. He's banking on the idea that we can sustain it longer than the others can and they will ultimately blink first.
The stock market doesn't seem to be all that worried.
You surely can't be serious about the media. They wake up every day and make up ways to slam him. I appreciate the fact that he fights back and calls them out for what they are...socialist propaganda.
Have no idea what you're even saying with the anti-due process statement. There will be due process for the rogue, anti-American, treasonous deep state elements who conspired to bring down a duly elected President. It will involve dems and repubs. Mark it down.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

It is more than I am willing to type, but a synopsis would start with a question:
How is he jerking off NK? I don't see it that way. I look at results and NK hasn't done any testing nor fired off any rockets. I don't pay any attention to NK rhetoric. I trust Pompeo.
He's not anti-free trade. He's playing a game of chicken with tariffs. He has publicly stated that his goal is have no tariffs from all parties. What could be more free trade than that? The result of this stare down is yet to be seen. He's banking on the idea that we can sustain it longer than the others can and they will ultimately blink first.
The stock market doesn't seem to be all that worried.
You surely can't be serious about the media. They wake up every day and make up ways to slam him. I appreciate the fact that he fights back and calls them out for what they are...socialist propaganda.
Have no idea what you're even saying with the anti-due process statement. There will be due process for the rogue, anti-American, treasonous deep state elements who conspired to bring down a duly elected President. It will involve dems and repubs. Mark it down.

I’m not looking to continue to argue with you. Just wanted to see you respond to everything.

Noticed the one thing you never could respond to was me saying obama was more efficient at deportations than trump lol.

 

[orangelvis]

I’m not looking to continue to argue with you. Just wanted to see you respond to everything.

Noticed the one thing you never could respond to was me saying obama was more efficient at deportations than trump lol.

The only thing you need to know about deportations, is Trump is working to stop it at the border; as he should, so there will be few if any deportations. Maybe the reason Obama had more, at times, is because he was letting more people in.

BTW. Since my last post, Trump is hammering Merckle and Germany for sidling up to Russia and becoming beholden to them by purchasing 80% of their fuel from Russia; while at the same time refusing to up their NATO spending to the 2% of GDP that they promised to do in '02. I guess Trump is just a Putin puppet, right?

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

The only thing you need to know about deportations, is Trump is working to stop it at the border; as he should, so there will be few if any deportations. Maybe the reason Obama had more, at times, is because he was letting more people in.

BTW. Since my last post, Trump is hammering Merckle and Germany for sidling up to Russia and becoming beholden to them by purchasing 80% of their fuel from Russia; while at the same time refusing to up their NATO spending to the 2% of GDP that they promised to do in '02. I guess Trump is just a Putin puppet, right?

Obama deported more and spent less money. My conservative business self will always accept the most efficient method. Trump knows nothing about efficiency. He was horrible with his own money and business so why would he be good with our country? And not an Obama fan, just was fine with his efficient approach to deportations. What’s funny is conservatives refuse to believe Obama was the Deporter in Chief and liberals refuse to believe it lol.

As for world trade I’ll trust the economist because I still believe in professionals and experts. Something Trump has taught his base to ignore. Every right, left, and Center leaning economist has said tariffs are a bad move. The only person that believes this is the “business” guy who has made his career on failed businesses and association with corrupt people. For some reason a black president bothered y’all so much that y’all had to sell your souls to a corrupt yankee business guy.

The facts are Obama had the economy trending up after the 08 recession. Y’all along with Trump screamed those unemployment numbers didn’t matter. That GDP didn’t matter..... now y’all are in a circle jerk because trump has continued Obama’s trend...

The fact is wages are flat when they should be going up. These tariffs are creating a new set of rules, rules that I have zero faith in Trump being able to win. If you think we will hold out longer than China you’re an idiot. China is attacking his base. They can easly let their people starve until 2020. America will decide on the tariffs through elections, and tariffs have very low approval.

The DNC ignore the tea parties because 70% of them were illiterate, now the GOP is ignoring the extreme left because they are minorities and poors.

Just like all y’all scream, but obama did this are going to hate the future. Trump has opened the door for some really extreme presidents.

 

[Rychek4]

If you think we will hold out longer than China you’re an idiot. China is attacking his base. They can easly let their people starve until 2020.

AND China just got rid of term limits, there will be no pressure on their politicians to cave.

 

[blythewood tigers]

Obama deported more and spent less money. My conservative business self will always accept the most efficient method. Trump knows nothing about efficiency. He was horrible with his own money and business so why would he be good with our country? And not an Obama fan, just was fine with his efficient approach to deportations. What’s funny is conservatives refuse to believe Obama was the Deporter in Chief and liberals refuse to believe it lol.

As for world trade I’ll trust the economist because I still believe in professionals and experts. Something Trump has taught his base to ignore. Every right, left, and Center leaning economist has said tariffs are a bad move. The only person that believes this is the “business” guy who has made his career on failed businesses and association with corrupt people. For some reason a black president bothered y’all so much that y’all had to sell your souls to a corrupt yankee business guy.

The facts are Obama had the economy trending up after the 08 recession. Y’all along with Trump screamed those unemployment numbers didn’t matter. That GDP didn’t matter..... now y’all are in a circle jerk because trump has continued Obama’s trend...

The fact is wages are flat when they should be going up. These tariffs are creating a new set of rules, rules that I have zero faith in Trump being able to win. If you think we will hold out longer than China you’re an idiot. China is attacking his base. They can easly let their people starve until 2020. America will decide on the tariffs through elections, and tariffs have very low approval.

The DNC ignore the tea parties because 70% of them were illiterate, now the GOP is ignoring the extreme left because they are minorities and poors.

Just like all y’all scream, but obama did this are going to hate the future. Trump has opened the door for some really extreme presidents.

"The facts are Obama had the economy trending up after the 08 recession."

Not a dem nor a repub (both exact same to me) but I have never understood why people continue to believe something that is mathematically impossible. Of all the disciplines in the human educational process, economics, is the most forgotten, abused and elusive to the average person. Have you ever asked yourself why or how, creating exponentially more debt (after '08) "had the economy trending up", could possibly ever be a true statement?

Again, don't really care about political affiliation, just curious as to how you could believe the unbelievable/impossible.

 

[FLaw47]

"The facts are Obama had the economy trending up after the 08 recession."

Not a dem nor a repub (both exact same to me) but I have never understood why people continue to believe something that is mathematically impossible. Of all the disciplines in the human educational process, economics, is the most forgotten, abused and elusive to the average person. Have you ever asked yourself why or how, creating exponentially more debt (after '08) "had the economy trending up", could possibly ever be a true statement?

Again, don't really care about political affiliation, just curious as to how you could believe the unbelievable/impossible.

Why do you do this?

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

"The facts are Obama had the economy trending up after the 08 recession."

Not a dem nor a repub (both exact same to me) but I have never understood why people continue to believe something that is mathematically impossible. Of all the disciplines in the human educational process, economics, is the most forgotten, abused and elusive to the average person. Have you ever asked yourself why or how, creating exponentially more debt (after '08) "had the economy trending up", could possibly ever be a true statement?

Again, don't really care about political affiliation, just curious as to how you could believe the unbelievable/impossible.

Trump has also added crazy debt. We have a two party system that is in a race to spend the most money.

 

[blythewood tigers]

Why do you do this?

I thought you said you were not going to write me anymore?
But if you want, I can explain why I had to respond to a blatantly false statement, up to you of course.

 

[FLaw47]

I thought you said you were not going to write me anymore?

You know what? Fair point.

 

[blythewood tigers]

Trump has also added crazy debt. We have a two party system that is in a race to spend the most money.

Both statements are very true, after '08, we have "spending/borrowing" our way into prosperity!