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So if I wanted to ask for opinions on whether or not....

Or, perhaps they can be super-IMMUNITY-spreading events because those that are highly at risk will choose to stay home and healthy folks, if they do contract the disease, will fight it off and help create herd immunity.
everyone needs to step up to the plate and get covid ! for the best interests of our country ........hmmm
 
So............

All those years folks were getting 'flu shots'.........hoping that it might help against the guessed variant virus and it was the one they were 'protected' from and was the 'right' one..........

They were getting vaccinated?
Who knew?
Why didn't they call it that?
Who woulda thought?
Who woulda known?

No one.

Because that, THAT (and this) is NOT a vaccination.

Polio was a vaccination. Years and years of study.
Addressed a non-morphing virus.
Worked.

A morphing virus....... ? Throw a dart at the wall. And good luck.

It's a flu shot pushed by government/money grabber/socialist media control measures.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Can it help short term? maybe

Anyone know about the long term?

uh.... no.
We will just have to wait and see.

The mice are the ones buying popcorn for this show.
 
So............

All those years folks were getting 'flu shots'.........hoping that it might help against the guessed variant virus and it was the one they were 'protected' from and was the 'right' one..........

They were getting vaccinated?
Who knew?
Why didn't they call it that?
Who woulda thought?
Who woulda known?

No one.

Because that, THAT (and this) is NOT a vaccination.

Polio was a vaccination. Years and years of study.
Addressed a non-morphing virus.
Worked.

A morphing virus....... ? Throw a dart at the wall. And good luck.

It's a flu shot pushed by government/money grabber/socialist media control measures.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Can it help short term? maybe

Anyone know about the long term?

uh.... no.
We will just have to wait and see.

The mice are the ones buying popcorn for this show.
The entire scientific world defines a vaccine one way, but we should all change our minds because @tigerworx says so?


Definition of vaccine​


1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease
 
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So............

All those years folks were getting 'flu shots'.........hoping that it might help against the guessed variant virus and it was the one they were 'protected' from and was the 'right' one..........

They were getting vaccinated?
Who knew?
Why didn't they call it that?
Who woulda thought?
Who woulda known?

No one.

Because that, THAT (and this) is NOT a vaccination.

Polio was a vaccination. Years and years of study.
Addressed a non-morphing virus.
Worked.

A morphing virus....... ? Throw a dart at the wall. And good luck.

It's a flu shot pushed by government/money grabber/socialist media control measures.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Can it help short term? maybe

Anyone know about the long term?

uh.... no.
We will just have to wait and see.

The mice are the ones buying popcorn for this show.
Over 20 years of studying and developing Rna vaccines. This was not a shot in the dark. Ask your personal family physician if you should be vaccinated and let us know what he or she says. I will hold your beer.
 
Or, perhaps they can be super-IMMUNITY-spreading events because those that are highly at risk will choose to stay home and healthy folks, if they do contract the disease, will fight it off and help create herd immunity.
Unless they have already had the virus. In which case it is lower than the vaccinated.
Many say that presence of natural antibodies in the best immunity. I dont argue with that. But i have had covid. After four months post covid, i got the one shot j and j. If we are talking the "best", then natural plus vaccine is the best. I wouldnt advise to get covid , though. To choose that over the vaccine is simply not worth the risk. At some point, people have to use some common sense.
 
They refuse to talk about it bc natural immunity isn’t a moneymaker…
I could be mistaken, but i believe that The CDC still advises a vaccine even for those who have survived Covid. I dont think they have ever denied the benefits of natural immunity, but they still recommend a vaccination. This Covid is wrecking our economy, country, and the health of our people. We need to get vaccinated. Ask your family physician.
 
Over 20 years of studying and developing Rna vaccines. This was not a shot in the dark. Ask your personal family physician if you should be vaccinated and let us know what he or she says. I will hold your beer.
OK, I'll play.

Name another vaccine or experimental shot that has been as controversial as this one.
(#1) Why is that?

Some others have shown to be damaging and even dangerous to inject into people and were scratched.

(#2) If this is so wonderful, why all the angst on both sides?

This thing is sooo far past a medical decision that I am surprised some people keep hanging their hat on that. Like you.

I know PLENTY of Doctors and Nurses that will not get the shot, have not gotten the shot, been threatened they'd be fired for not getting the shot.............and still have refused to get the shot. They are concerned that it is too dangerous, too much of an unnecessary risk.
None fired either. Shortages everywhere.

Now, thank you for holding my beer and keeping it safe.
Give it back and answer #1 and #2, please.

Want me to hold yours?
 
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OK, I'll play.

Name another vaccine or experimental shot that has been as controversial as this one.
(#1) Why is that?

Some others have shown to be damaging and even dangerous to inject into people and were scratched.

(#2) If this is so wonderful, why all the angst on both sides?

This thing is sooo far past a medical decision that I am surprised some people keep hanging their hat on that. Like you.

I know PLENTY of Doctors and Nurses that will not get the shot, have not gotten the shot, been threatened they'd be fired for not getting the shot.............and still have refused to get the shot. They are concerned that it is too dangerous, too much of an unnecessary risk.
None fired either. Shortages everywhere.

Now, thank you for holding my beer and keeping it safe.
Give it back and answer #1 and #2, please.

Want me to hold yours?
answer to 1-- we live in the Age of Stupidity
answer to 2-- We live in the Age of Stupidity

I was holding your beer while you asked your family physician about you, , your beer is getting warm....and i am working on taking the waitress home with me, so please hurry ...
 
I could be mistaken, but i believe that The CDC still advises a vaccine even for those who have survived Covid. I dont think they have ever denied the benefits of natural immunity, but they still recommend a vaccination. This Covid is wrecking our economy, country, and the health of our people. We need to get vaccinated. Ask your family physician.
The cdc isn’t the only authority out there. Some studies suggest that you get no added benefit from vaccination after previous infection.

Besides why should I vaccinate when my natural immunity is proven to be enough? In fact it’s proven to be better than all of you guys that are vaccinated so.
 
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Many say that presence of natural antibodies in the best immunity. I dont argue with that. But i have had covid. After four months post covid, i got the one shot j and j. If we are talking the "best", then natural plus vaccine is the best. I wouldnt advise to get covid , though. To choose that over the vaccine is simply not worth the risk. At some point, people have to use some common sense.
Those risks you talk about are not the same for everyone if you look at the numbers the cdc provides. Those healthy people 29 and under and especially kids have zero to no risk of serious illness or death. It is almost better if those individuals happen to get it to get a more robust natural immunity.
 
It really doesn't matter anymore whether they are spreader events. Americans have clearly shown that they do not care how many people get sick, how many people die, how many nurses and health care workers are burned out, they are NOT going to be inconvenienced by covid.

What other choice do you have? Covid is not going anywhere so you learn to coexist with it.
 
The cdc isn’t the only authority out there. Some studies suggest that you get no added benefit from vaccination after previous infection.

Besides why should I vaccinate when my natural immunity is proven to be enough? In fact it’s proven to be better than all of you guys that are vaccinated so.
 
Problem is the certain people that think they are healthy but somehow get the virus and end up in the hospital. One of my employees has worked for us for 10 years. Literally never missed a day of work. He’s in the ICU right now with it, non vaccinated.
Missing context
 
Data shows that vaccinated do still have some resistance to getting Covid, just not the 96% as data showed during testing (under a different variant). The unfortunate reality is that the unvaccinated will spread at much higher rates and also have much more serious sickness.

This isn't an either or situation. Yes....vaccinated people get sick. But they don't get sick at the same rate as unvaccinated. In a state (SC) that has 43.5% of its residents fully vaccinated, 86% of the cases are unvaccinated, 72% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated, and 78% of deaths are not fully vaccinated (data 7/16 - 8/15).
“The vaccinated” vs “the unvaccinated” coming soon to a newly formed noun cage match.

Hammer and Nail will be in the crowd in full support.
 
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