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Taxpayer First Budget

. we'll see whether we can say the same for the republican party in four years, .

My guess is balance in Congress won't be changed, there will be at least one more conservative Justice, many more conservative Fed Judges appointed.

Reps probably won't win the WH, but it won't matter much. Those key swing states will turn back to blue again. Again - it won't matter, because Congress will control the purse strings.

Regardless, I also predict the Country to be in somewhat better shape. And if your party wins, I (nor many other Republicans) will be on anonymous message boards painting every Dem as a "dumb ass".
 
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@scotchtiger here is a good article about this budget proposal and how big of a JOKE and how flawed it is. I touched on some of this yesterday. Pasted below is a particularly important excerpt where Mick Mulvaney admits that the math in the proposal doesn't add up, but basically states it would have been too hard to release something if he didn't make it appear deficit neutral, even though it admittedly is not.

And, again, for the record, I'm not beating you up on this. I just see you as a smart guy who is much like I was at one point in my life. I hate taxes and I get beat up as bad as anyone, but I realized at some point you have to acknowledge that politicians are one-sided con artists with personal agendas and you can't be beholden to one side and defend things that don't make sense even if they sound good just because it came from your side. I'm a Finance grad and a Finance guy by trade, so maybe I just see things differently than most. But the numbers are not on the President's or Mulvaney's side. This is a half-assed attempt at budget policy that I would fire someone for bringing to me in my company, and I can't imagine someone putting this together for the federal budget and still being employeed.

"Then we get to the double counting. Trump's budget also says the growth-boosting impact of his policies will generate an extra $2.1 trillion in federal revenue, even though some of that growth is supposed to come from tax cuts he already banked on to try to make his tax reform deficit-neutral. The White House doesn't say exactly how much of that extra growth was supposed to come from tax policy as opposed to other things, but taxes are clearly a centerpiece of Trump's growth strategy, so let's call it half and add $1.05 trillion to the $4 trillion to $6 trillion hole the Tax Foundation found.

Now rather than a balanced budget you have a $5 trillion to $7 trillion deficit — and that's under very aggressive supply-side assumptions.

How did this happen?
Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney offered a baffling defense of this accounting strategy at his Monday briefing with reporters.

He explained that the budget assumes tax reform will be deficit-neutral because "it was in all honesty the most efficient way to look at it." How so? Well, he explained, "if we said it's going to add to the deficit, then we have to go into more detail than what's in the summary right now, [and] if we say it's going to reduce the deficit, we have to go into more detail than what's in it right now. And we simply are not in a position to do that."

In other words, he assumed the tax plan would be deficit-neutral because that made his life easier — not because there is any reason to believe it. And because no analytics went into justifying that assumption, officials didn't notice that they were double-counting the growth.

As Maya MacGuineas of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget observed in her statement on the proposal, "the same money cannot be used twice."

The underlying issue here, beyond Trump's habit of overpromising and general disregard for the truth, is the slapdash process through which his tax plan was released. According to Politico's Shane Goldmacher, Trump's economic team was busy working on the difficult problem of designing a revenue-neutral tax plan when someone showed him a New York Times op-ed by Steve Forbes, Larry Kudlow, Arthur Laffer, and Stephen Moore that argued Trump should forget about deficit neutrality and endorse a big deficit-increasing tax cut like he did on the campaign trail.

"Trump summoned staff to talk about" the op-ed, according to Goldmacher. "His message: Make this the tax plan."

Then two days later, on a Friday, Trump told the press that his tax plan would be ready by next week, even though his staff didn't have a plan. Consequently, they rushed out a blueprint based on his campaign plan and didn't worry too much about the fact that it isn't remotely deficit-neutral. The budget team, meanwhile, just plowed ahead as if none of that had happened and Trump was still working on a deficit-neutral plan."

Let me be clear - in no way was I saying that this exact budget proposal is great. That was the intent of me saying I haven't looked at the details (nor do I intend to).

I was simply saying that looking at the budget through the following lenses:
  • Putting the taxpayer first
  • Cutting entitlements and enablements
  • Making people work if they want money from the government
...is a great thing.

I'll leave the details to the bean-counters and the folks who have time to dissect this stuff.

I'll also add that I think politicians are con-artists as well. And as you know, I did not support Trump in the primary. I think he's mishandled a bunch of stuff that has distracted everyone from important legislative items like healthcare reform, a fiscally responsible budget and tax reform.

And the Republicans were morons to not have a ready-made solution to healthcare reform. They had 5 years from the SC ruling to develop one.

Agree on lots of things, but I'll continue to hold the position that reducing our expenditures, shifting from a hand-out to a hand-up model of supporting our country's poor and reasonable taxation are critical positions for me.
 
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you two should totally makeout

You play the liberal card well.

Make up facts, then get mad, then go straight to personal attacks. This is why I usually don't even respond to your posts because you prove over and over again you have no clue what you are talking about. I always assumed you were a top troll, but then I realized a while back you were being serious.
 
i was willing to "give trump a chance." then he started selecting cabinet members, and any hopes of "success" (whatever that looks like) were dashed immediately.

I get it. I felt the same way about Obama, but I still hoped I was wrong. At the very least, I was hopeful he could have inspired better race relations, but that went about as well as the ACA. Hillary lost because of left's arrogance. The left's message has been we know what is better for you than you do. People hated her for that, more than they disliked Trump, not because people are stupid. Hillary should have won, and would have had she shown a little humility and also convinced people she would appoint neutral judges to the Supreme Court. When Roberts decided to write laws instead of interpret them people felt threatened. I voted for Trump because I thought he would appoint better Supreme Court Justices.

The country wants to move left but you can't call people stupid without a smile on your face. Obama was a master at that and would have won another term with the exact same policies Hillary ran on. Hillary didn't smile when she insulted people. Obama did. The left blew it, and they will again next time unless they learn from this.
 
You play the liberal card well.

Make up facts, then get mad, then go straight to personal attacks. This is why I usually don't even respond to your posts because you prove over and over again you have no clue what you are talking about. I always assumed you were a top troll, but then I realized a while back you were being serious.

yeah! damn liberals!

for real, this is extremely rich coming from the king of the drive-by post, who rarely posts anything of substance.
 
I get it. I felt the same way about Obama, but I still hoped I was wrong. At the very least, I was hopeful he could have inspired better race relations, but that went about as well as the ACA. Hillary lost because of left's arrogance. The left's message has been we know what is better for you than you do. People hated her for that, more than they disliked Trump, not because people are stupid. Hillary should have won, and would have had she shown a little humility and also convinced people she would appoint neutral judges to the Supreme Court. When Roberts decided to write laws instead of interpret them people felt threatened. I voted for Trump because I thought he would appoint better Supreme Court Justices.

The country wants to move left but you can't call people stupid without a smile on your face. Obama was a master at that and would have won another term with the exact same policies Hillary ran on. Hillary didn't smile when she insulted people. Obama did. The left blew it, and they will again next time unless they learn from this.

This.

And it will continue this way. Democrats think they are going to clean up in the midterm elections, but it isn't happening. As long as Bernie, Perez and Warren are the face of their party, they are going to continue to decline. They are striking out on all these elections since November, and their fundraising numbers are in the tank, while republicans are still rolling in the money.

They may pick up a few house seats and a couple of the governships, but it isn't going to be a sweep like Republicans have done over 4 of the last 5 elections. If anything Republicans will pick up 4 or 5 Senate seats.
 
Let me be clear - in no way was I saying that this exact budget proposal is great. That was the intent of me saying I haven't looked at the details (nor do I intend to).

I was simply saying that looking at the budget through the following lenses:
  • Putting the taxpayer first
  • Cutting entitlements and enablements
  • Making people work if they want money from the government
...is a great thing.

I'll leave the details to the bean-counters and the folks who have time to dissect this stuff.

I'll also add that I think politicians are con-artists as well. And as you know, I did not support Trump in the primary. I think he's mishandled a bunch of stuff that has distracted everyone from important legislative items like healthcare reform, a fiscally responsible budget and tax reform.

And the Republicans were morons to not have a ready-made solution to healthcare reform. They had 5 years from the SC ruling to develop one.

Agree on lots of things, but I'll continue to hold the position that reducing our expenditures, shifting from a hand-out to a hand-up model of supporting our country's poor and reasonable taxation are critical positions for me.

Scotch, I like your posts, I can tell you are putting some thought into your words before you hit the little "Post Reply" button. And especially because you don't seem to directly "attack" any other opinions.

But, you can't really believe your bullets are possible do you?

Let's start with taxation. With a growing national deficit, both private and public, there is no (none, zero, zilch) monetary mechanism to pay. Monetarily speaking, taxation should be in magnitude higher than it is today, as a matter of fact, every man, women and child (if you could) could be taxed 100% and we still do not get out of the rabbit hole. The point is, there is not enough production, or better stated, wealth building capacity in this country, the numbers are literally impossible to achieve.

"Entitlements" are nothing more than a Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme, always has been and always will be. Any entitlement literally runs off of the premise that there is more money going into the scheme (new members) than those asking to get paid (retirees). But here is our problem. Now that our production capacity has collapsed and there are a lot of old people (baby boomers) leaving the work force, the scam has caught up to reality, i.e. there was never enough "funding" to make the cycle perpetual. S.S., etc.. are exactly the same.

Making people work, for the sake of "working" is the norm for socialist governments. I have a friend from Belarus and he has told me, if you don't work, eventually the government will put you in jail for not working. A human being working has to be for the sole purpose of acquiring wealth, i.e. savings. So take for example a government worker (getting paid by the government). This person is not acquiring wealth, they are simply transferring it from one location, your checking account, to another location, someone else's checking account. By the time Obama left office, there were nearly as many government employees as there were fortune 500 companies. Think about that, all of these people did absolutely NOTHING productive. They all simply transferred resources (money, assets, etc.) form one location to another. "Working" is quickly becoming past tense as defined as being "productive".
 
Let me be clear - in no way was I saying that this exact budget proposal is great. That was the intent of me saying I haven't looked at the details (nor do I intend to).

I was simply saying that looking at the budget through the following lenses:
  • Putting the taxpayer first
  • Cutting entitlements and enablements
  • Making people work if they want money from the government
...is a great thing.

I'll leave the details to the bean-counters and the folks who have time to dissect this stuff.

I'll also add that I think politicians are con-artists as well. And as you know, I did not support Trump in the primary. I think he's mishandled a bunch of stuff that has distracted everyone from important legislative items like healthcare reform, a fiscally responsible budget and tax reform.

And the Republicans were morons to not have a ready-made solution to healthcare reform. They had 5 years from the SC ruling to develop one.

Agree on lots of things, but I'll continue to hold the position that reducing our expenditures, shifting from a hand-out to a hand-up model of supporting our country's poor and reasonable taxation are critical positions for me.
We want the exact same things, I promise. But the details matter. Just because they throw out language about social program beneficiaries working for benefits or they throw you a small tax cut, its not enough to support the plan. A bad deal for America is a bad deal for you. They know what rhetoric gets their base fired up and what their base is willing to overlook if they throw them a small bone in rhetoric. The average person doesn't known the details and that's a major problem right now.

For example, Trump's outline of tax reform would benefit me personally, but on the whole it's bad for America and I would pay so much more in so many other ways while the elite rich walk away from the deal with the VAST majority of tax cuts. And good people I know who are less fortunate than me, who are honest people, would be left holding the bag. I would encourage you to take the time to look at the details. Don't trust the rhetoric.
 
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