I do not disagree with getting out, but the way Biden has done it is the biggest cluster F**K in history. Never would have happened like it has under Trump.
Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban Now has Over 200 Military Aircraft — Ranks them as #26 in List of Nations in Combat Aircraft Strength
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more like you are making the biggest overstatement in history....lmao ...trump could not even conduct a peaceful transition of power in his own country without causing a deadly ruckus.....now that was historically unprecedented and a bigger cluster f...k in history that anything biden has done or ever will do.... .. you need to learn some history
Make believe insurrections choreographed by the dirty dems and msm do not count bro.
Taliban Says They Want More US Money After Joe Biden's $64 Million Donation and $85 Billion In Military Weapons | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
The Taliban told reporters they want more US money after Joe Biden gave them $64 million in US taxpayer dollars and $85 billion in US military weapons.
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Wow what a surprise! NOT!!
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Breaking: Lights at Bagram Airbase Turned On - Chinese Military Planes Reportedly Seen Landing at Abandoned US Airbase in Afghanistan #BidenEffect | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft
China military planes reportedly landed at Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan. This is after Biden abandoned the base in its hasty surrender of the country.
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gateway pundit? . lmao ....Wow what a surprise! NOT!!
Breaking: Lights at Bagram Airbase Turned On - Chinese Military Planes Reportedly Seen Landing at Abandoned US Airbase in Afghanistan #BidenEffect | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft
China military planes reportedly landed at Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan. This is after Biden abandoned the base in its hasty surrender of the country.
I'll answer this one... Not at all.
But the fact of the matter is that the Joint Chiefs of Staff were appointed by Trump and THEY were the ones telling Biden that pulling out was all good. I actually agree with Trump's decision to get the f out of there. The Taliban didn't kick the shit out of the Afgan Army, just like ISIS didn't kick the shit out of the Iraq Army. Both the Iraqis and the Afgans went into the fight with more men, better equipment and simply lay their weapons on the ground and ran.
Twenty years of US support and training and the Taliban overran the entire country in a week, hardly firing a shot when they took town after town. The only difference if Trump were President is that he'd be blaming a different bunch of people than Biden does... the outcome would still be the same.
I couldnt have said it better. Also, the congressional hearings last week were very enlightening.
BS!! No way in hell would the exit have been done the way it was under Trump!!
Yeah, no way!
Here's What Has Happened in Syria in the Week Since Trump Abandoned the Kurds
President Trump's decision to pull U.S. troops out of northern Syria has led to chaos in the region.
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Whatever man. Trump pulled out of of the border between Turkey and Syria and left the Kurds with no notice... Same thing here. Only you and Trump would be blaming someone else (anyone else) other than Trump.
And to be fair, while I didn't like the way Trump left the Kurds, I like his policy toward the middle east in general. Namely that we don't belong there. Trump would have pulled out even earlier than Biden did (remember Biden delaying for 6 months? I think you complained about it).
And it's not like the Afgan Army got their asses kicked by the Taliban... they just put down their weapons and gave up. Not sure how after 20 years of support and training from the US that changes with 6 extra months of Trump or Biden.
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Ahhh, we gave the Kurds plenty of notice. The withdraw from the couple of outposts we had in northern Syria took almost a year. Trump announced the withdraw November 2018. The withdraw from northern Syrian wasn't complete until October 2019. Trump actually delayed the timeline of the withdraw at the advice of his military commanders. No one ever thought we'd stay permanently in Syria. We weren't ever going to protect them long term from Assad, the Russians and the Turks. Besides the Kurds had been dragging their feet fighting ISIS for a long time to make sure the US wouldn't leave them. It wasn't until we announced our leaving that they hurried up and cleared the MERV so they could focus their forces on the Turks. The Kurds did a wonderful job defeating ISIS. Both let's not act like they are saints. They've killed a lot of Turks over the years. And if we are concerned about the YPG in Syria, why isn't there an outpouring of concern for the Peshmerga (kurds) in Iraq that the Iraq Army, Turks and Iranian very quickly put in their place after Mosul? We don't ISIS out of northern Iraq without a lot of help from the Pesh.
Biden was hyper focused on getting out of Afghanistan as a PR stunt. He ignored the fact the Taliban were not adhering to the Doha Agreement. You are right. Staying 6 months more likely doesn't make a difference in the long term. But we could have sent a message my keeping air power in Afghanistan and pounding the hell out of the Taliban. The Afghan Army would fight with support. Our leaving demoralized them. They had faith in the Americans,....not their own government. Had we slowed our withdraw of air power, we likely set better conditions for an overall withdraw.
Rolling Stone article is a lot of BS. I can tell you NO ISIS prisoners would have escaped the Kurds. The Kurds didn't let 11,000 of these guys survive. Do you know what ISIS did to the Kurdish people?Yeah, no way!
Here's What Has Happened in Syria in the Week Since Trump Abandoned the Kurds
President Trump's decision to pull U.S. troops out of northern Syria has led to chaos in the region.
Yup the Turks set up a safety zone displacing Kurd villages. You do know who the PKK is right? You do know the Kurds and Turks have been a in defacto war since the 70's right?
Yes, I'm aware of the history between the Kurds and the Turks and I trust what you're telling me because I know you know what you're talking about on this subject. But my only point was that Trump didn't pull out cleanly either.
Again, after 20 years of support... what message are we sending? That as long as we provide overwhelming close air support and advisors on the ground to tell the Afgans exactly what to do, they will actually fight? At SOME point the Afgans had to start wearing big boy pants... it's been 20 years.
And again, we aren't talking about the Afgahs actually fighting and losing. We are talking about a force of 200K armed and equipped with top of the line equipment and training... fighting against a force of < 15K fighters. And they didn't even fight and lose... they just dropped their weapons and ran like little bitches in mass. That's not low moral... that's just showing that the Afgan army was not even a real fighting force and that for all the training and supplies they got from the US, they were never capable of running and defending their own country. Could we have "sent a message" and stayed and held the country another 6 months... sure. A year? Sure... 20 more years... of course. BUT IMHO the result would have been the same. The soldiers in the Afgan army (the young guys making up the fighters anyway) weren't even born when we invaded... they've know nothing but American's there to hold their hands... If they were going to step up... it would have happened already.
Trump decided to leave that country... And I for 1 agree with him in that decision. IMHO, Biden (who delayed the withdrawal by 6 months) simply bit the bullet when it became apparent that the Afgans were going to fold like a cheap chair. Trump would have done the same and blamed whoever (just like Biden did).
Your best defense of this one of the many China Joe debacles is it would have been the same under Trump. WOW!! Trump was running foreign policy the way it should be and had the middle east moving in a great direction. No way in hell he leaves billions of dollars worth of military equipment for the taking. No way in hell does he leave Americans over there to fend for themselves. I do not buy any of that based on Trump's past actions in that part of the world.
Because Stormy still got her hush money - bada bing.
But seriously, just pick your article. In just over a week, the violence left hundreds of Kurdish fighters and civilians dead; more than 100,000 people displaced; the near defeat of the Islamic State in jeopardy; and Turkey, Russia, and the Iranian-backed Syrian government carving up territory vacated by the Kurds and the Americans.
My original response was to TigerGrowls who argued that Trump would have never handled the Afghanistan exit the same way as Biden. Biden absolutely blew it and I hate the way he handled it but that doesn't mean that Trump would have executed a flawless pullout either.
You make some fair points. First the Taliban forces are about 4 times bigger than you suggest and the Afghan Army, didn't have 200k soldiers in reality. Most of the units were way under strength. Absolutely, the outcome would be the same in the long run. Air power is what gave us an advantage over the Taliban for years. The Afghan Air Force was not very sophisticated. It's reach was limited. In addition, it faced a lot of maintenance challenges. A core problem with every aspect in Afghanistan has always been that the vast majority of the country is illiterate. Hard to fix planes if you can't read a tech manual.
And you need to appreciate the culture to understand why the Army melted away. If Ghani wasn't going to stay in the country why should the soldier stay and fight? At the end of the day, the soldiers obligations is to his family and tribe; not an Afghanistan country he has little concept of.
Again, as the provinces started to fall, if we'd maintained US forces and air power, the Army would have kept fighting. The army was NEVER going to control western and central Afghanistan. They NEVER had the manpower or logistics to do that in the long term. That said, we could have slowed the Taliban gains and perhaps done a more orderly withdraw. The moment you took A-10's and F-16's and MQ-9's out of Bagram, we lost the ability to effectively project air power.
Perhaps most concerning is the poor intelligence assessments on how fast the Afghan Army would collapse.
This times 1 million ^^^^^^^^^
I handed JSOC and the state department a 40 page paper stating all of the above back in 2003. Nothing has changed since. Our only option was to leave a small fighting force in country and that was primarily for superior air support, not ground based tactics.
You know who's building back better? Al Qaeda .......
Hmmmmm
The fight was between the Kurds and our NATO ally the Turks. How does this make our withdraw messy?
ISIS defeat in jeopardy? Laughable. Anyone who says that knows nothing of what was going on. ISIS was starving in caves. We pounded them to hell. They literally couldn't raise their heads above ground without a 500 pounder on top on them. They had zero supplies. We kill'm by air. The Kurds kill'm on the ground. We'd had defeated ISIS 6 months earlier if the kurds hadn't started dragging their feet knowing, when ISIS was gone, they'd lose their air cover. EVERYONE knew that the Kurds desire for autonomy was the elephant in the room during the fight. There was no way Syria and Turkey would allow that.
So you wanted the US to occupy eastern Syria to keep it from the Syrians? It's their land, right? Assad was on the verge of collapse in 2015. The moment Russia IL-76's and SU-31's flew across Iran, and Iraq into Syria.....Assad won. He now had the air power he needed to defeat the rebels. And he had Ivan to mitigate the actions of Uncle Sam. Putin was able to thumb his nose at Barry.
The Kurds occupied the land where all of Syria's oil wells are. Do you think Assad may want that land back? As a huge debtor to Russia and Iran, do you think Syria wanted that revenue source? Should the US go to war to protect the Kurds? Nope. Also remember, if the US hadn't supported the Kurds against ISIS, they'd be dead now. ISIS made the Nazi's look like the Salvation Army.
Nope the US pull out of Syria was completed professionally. And Trump revised his mandate based on political and tactical considerations as advised by his military commanders. We're not 100% out of Syrian. We still occupy al Tanf and defend it from the Syrians. The fallout for the Kurds is regrettable. But again, the Kurds aren't saints either. They've killed plenty of Turks over the last 50 years.
And Hunter Biden's art is worth millions....in the Ukraine. bada bing
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Biden Admin to Send the Taliban Millions in US Dollars After Arming them with $83 Billion in US Military Weapons | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
Taliban fighters in US military uniforms Joe Biden supplied the Taliban terrorist organization and their Islamist accomplices with billions of dollars worth of US armaments.
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