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According to the liberals on this board, there is no slippery slope and this is just the fringe, haha. There is no moderate Dem politicians anymore. They are all controlled by the radicals in the party, and all those so called moderates they ran in swing districts in 2018 have done nothing but vote in lockstep with the nut jobs that now control that shit show they call a party.
There should be a mass exodus soon to follow. Will start with big business, could be good for places like the upstate for relocation for our work industry. I say **** em
There should be a mass exodus soon to follow. Will start with big business, could be good for places like the upstate for relocation for our work industry. I say **** em
This has disaster written all over it. This is a liberal progressive brainchild utopia, lets follow this and see how it goes! Afrikantowne part of the community policing, lol!
These council members, how in the world did they get elected? Anyone on here live in Seattle? Did you vote for any of these people? Is that city that far gone?
To your point about no moderate dems right now, that’s part of the problem. There are no visible moderate republicans either. The only people making noise are the lunatics on both sides.
My hope for the country is that enough of a silent majority of moderates exist to pull us through this time of extremes.
We lock ourselves into these binary discussions which is not productive. There are plenty of people out there who think that the Bernie Sanders’/AOC views on the country are dangerous, who also think that Trump is unstable, unfit and destructive, and just want a reasonable moderate who is a decent human being. But those views don’t generate clicks. And those people are without a political “tribe” at the moment.
To your point about no moderate dems right now, that’s part of the problem. There are no visible moderate republicans either. The only people making noise are the lunatics on both sides.
My hope for the country is that enough of a silent majority of moderates exist to pull us through this time of extremes.
We lock ourselves into these binary discussions which is not productive. There are plenty of people out there who think that the Bernie Sanders’/AOC views on the country are dangerous, who also think that Trump is unstable, unfit and destructive, and just want a reasonable moderate who is a decent human being. But those views don’t generate clicks. And those people are without a political “tribe” at the moment.
You mention extremes on both sides. Can you explain a little more a out who the extremes on the right are?This. There are plenty of us in the middle that are equally disgusted by the extremes of both sides.
I was offered a glimpse of hope during the Democratic primaries when the voters clearly and emphatically chose the moderate candidate over the far-left options. If all Democrats wanted was socialism and anarchy, Bernie or Warren would be the nominee.
And I am not here to sell you on Biden, so please don't try to engage with me on that. He's a terribly flawed candidate. No doubt. But the two party system has, yet again, left us with only bad options.
I would absolutely love a viable third party that represents us in the middle. Until then we are forced to listen to these wackos from the fringe, and people - unfairly - assume they represent the entirety of their party.
You mention extremes on both sides. Can you explain a little more a out who the extremes on the right are?
it is pretty clear the extreme left are the socialist Dems and it was clear during the presidential primaries.
Yea this right here. I’m thankful for them & Minneapolis & NYC playin the gini pig roll. Prayers up for the law biding citizens that are stuck there thoThank you Seattle
the second part of that definition sounds a lot like CHOP or CHAZ to me.The United States Department of Homeland Security defines right-wing extremism in the United States as "broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
To your point about no moderate dems right now, that’s part of the problem. There are no visible moderate republicans either. The only people making noise are the lunatics on both sides.
My hope for the country is that enough of a silent majority of moderates exist to pull us through this time of extremes.
We lock ourselves into these binary discussions which is not productive. There are plenty of people out there who think that the Bernie Sanders’/AOC views on the country are dangerous, who also think that Trump is unstable, unfit and destructive, and just want a reasonable moderate who is a decent human being. But those views don’t generate clicks. And those people are without a political “tribe” at the moment.
This has disaster written all over it. This is a liberal progressive brainchild utopia, lets follow this and see how it goes! Afrikantowne part of the community policing, lol!
These council members, how in the world did they get elected? Anyone on here live in Seattle? Did you vote for any of these people? Is that city that far gone?
This. There is no extreme republican group. 2nd Amendments, pro life. Military etc.this is simply not true. Please name an extreme position that Republicans are pushing nationally. Here is how the extreme right no longer exist, so your both sides argument is several decades old.
Abortion: 20 years ago we were talking about abortion. No the discussion is about late term abortion and whether it’s ok to kill a baby that survives an abortion.
Gay rights: 20 years ago we were talking about gay rights and gar marriage. Now it’s about trannies reading to our school kids and boys dominating women’s sports like weight lifting and track and field.
Drugs: 20 years ago the right was retarded about drugs. Now you see Trump getting criminal justice reform through with the support of Republicans. This frees a lot of criminals who were doing time for petty drug charges. Also, many Republicans are showing support for legalizing marijuana.
Social Justice: 20 years ago, Republicans were considered the book burners. Now, we have gone from having a conversation about taking down the confederate statues and flags, to mob rule canceling out Washington, Columbus, Jefferson, Grant, Lincoln, ect.
I could keep the list going with many examples, but the both sides argument simply isn’t true. Trump is the most liberal Republican POTUS in history with the exception of immigration, and look how he is treated. Even with immigration, he’s simply trying to enforce the laws we already have on the books. I’m willing to listen, but when you espouse the both sides argument, please give examples of the extreme right forcing nonsense down the people’s throats right now.
Who put is in Nam? Who voted bi partisan for the war in the Middle East.This. There is no extreme republican group. 2nd Amendments, pro life. Military etc.
He doesn't "mock" physically disabled any more than you. The man is personally an asshole. But he has completed, or tried to complete, all his campaign promises. The Republicans fought him tooth and nail when he was first elected. They literally worked against him. The Republican party is not the GOP of my youth. I will say this again. When MLK Jr.'s niece says great things about his policies, what the hell does that tell you?I think this is a pretty fair response for the most part. I see where you are coming from and from a social policy perspective I agree that Trump is certainly not at the extreme right. It’s hard to put Trump in a box.
What puts the Republican Party in a bind is his behavior. When he does things like retweet videos of people shouting white power, mock physically disabled people, disregard basic science, engage in juvenile rhetoric on a weekly basis, it doesn’t project moderate or compassionate behavior. This is and will be part of the challenge for Republicans moving forward - inevitably he has hurt the brand for moderate republicans who can’t stand behind his character.
I was previously registered Republican. Now independent. I have certainly voted Republican more than Democrat in my life. I like Trumps fiscal policies. I don’t think he is a kind and compassionate human being. I do think Republican politicians will be in a quandary for years I’m having to disassociate from his behavior.
I don’t post a lot and really try to avoid the extremes of online debate which are a big root cause of why we are where we are today. I do understand your points made above. But I also hope we can all collectively move forward from these binary discussions one day - there are plenty of shades of gray and room for reasonable discussion.
He doesn't "mock" physically disabled any more than you. The man is personally an asshole. But he has completed, or tried to complete, all his campaign promises. The Republicans fought him tooth and nail when he was first elected. They literally worked against him. The Republican party is not the GOP of my youth. I will say this again. When MLK Jr.'s niece says great things about his policies, what the hell does that tell you?
I think this is a pretty fair response for the most part. I see where you are coming from and from a social policy perspective I agree that Trump is certainly not at the extreme right. It’s hard to put Trump in a box.
What puts the Republican Party in a bind is his behavior. When he does things like retweet videos of people shouting white power, mock physically disabled people, disregard basic science, engage in juvenile rhetoric on a weekly basis, it doesn’t project moderate or compassionate behavior. This is and will be part of the challenge for Republicans moving forward - inevitably he has hurt the brand for moderate republicans who can’t stand behind his character.
I was previously registered Republican. Now independent. I have certainly voted Republican more than Democrat in my life. I like Trumps fiscal policies. I don’t think he is a kind and compassionate human being. I do think Republican politicians will be in a quandary for years I’m having to disassociate from his behavior.
I don’t post a lot and really try to avoid the extremes of online debate which are a big root cause of why we are where we are today. I do understand your points made above. But I also hope we can all collectively move forward from these binary discussions one day - there are plenty of shades of gray and room for reasonable discussion.
To your point about no moderate dems right now, that’s part of the problem. There are no visible moderate republicans either. The only people making noise are the lunatics on both sides.
My hope for the country is that enough of a silent majority of moderates exist to pull us through this time of extremes.
We lock ourselves into these binary discussions which is not productive. There are plenty of people out there who think that the Bernie Sanders’/AOC views on the country are dangerous, who also think that Trump is unstable, unfit and destructive, and just want a reasonable moderate who is a decent human being. But those views don’t generate clicks. And those people are without a political “tribe” at the moment.