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I guess I was wrong when I used to think men would be the only thing that makes wimmens sports better
It’s definitely gonna be/has been portrayed as controversial in the media but I’m thoroughly convinced that if the vast majority of the country were asked about this privately (where they’re not going to be called transphobic for stating the obvious) that they’d say this is common sense.
Do whatever you want to with your body once you’re 18, as long as you’re not hurting other people, but don’t sit there and act like just because you decided you’re a woman it makes it so. Physically, you’re at a major advantage going through puberty as a man and it’s unfair to actual women.
Do whatever you want to with your body once you’re 18, as long as you’re not hurting other people, but don’t sit there and act like just because you decided you’re a woman it makes it so. Physically, you’re at a major advantage going through puberty as a man and it’s unfair to actual women.
Or we could just get rid of gender classes/ divisions all together. If you are good enough to make the squad then compete.
Everyone wants to be treated special until they're not.
Everyone wants to be treated special until they're not.
Nah....I have an actual real girl who loves playing sports and one more on the way whom I'm hoping is the same. Let's not take that away from her.
Valid point. A little dose of reality for this dad of two girls as well. Perhaps, I was being too flippant.
Then again, I would be aggravated if someone told them they couldn't compete against boys. Tennis, wrestling, basketball, football, volleyball, business or politics, who am to discourage my kid from competing. The current norms may very well be an issue of protectionism. Let me preface by saying, some of the stuff I hear seems outrageous in regard to trans competing in sports. Is it a question of speed, strength or size when allowing male species to compete against females? Wrestling has weight classes. Who am I to tell my daughter I won't allow her to compete against a guy in her same class. I would support her and tell her she better whip his ass. If she loses I better not hear her say it was because he was a boy. If he was too strong she better lift more. I understand that there are some biological differences (testosterone) that might provide some advantages. However, my concern would be that I need to be careful in how I raise/coach my daughters. In a world that already segregates in so many ways, I want to make sure that I don't reinforce that mindset that she is something less because she has less than her male counterparts. In no way am I suggesting that anyone on this board is raising their girls the wrong way. These are just some of the challenges I've had to deal with raising my daughters. Each of which is very competitive in their own way. I also have a son who is smaller than both lol. I guess the subject is a little more complicated when getting beyond the surface.
Tangentially related, when I first joined the Army, there were no women in combat arms nor open gay soldiers. I didn't exactly want either around mostly because of the issue of unit cohesion and morale. The world sure has changed. I work alongside both now, usually with little issue. In some cases, the women are of much better military quality than their male counterparts.
I mean there are some topics that are so obviously common sense that it bottles the mind that there are disagreements. And it really seems that the last 5 or so years have brought out some real doozies.
I honestly don’t know the answer to this, but are transgender kids eligible for college athletic scholarships under their preferred gender? In other words, could a 6-4 dude that isn’t good enough to play college hoops identify as a girl, dominate, and get a scholarship to UCONN or U of S.C.?
If not, I am sure a legal challenge is coming. I am curious what coach would be willing or desperate enough to support such a move.
Well females aren't excluded from male sports when there is no equivalent female version to play in, because the present no inherent physical advantage over males. It's my understanding that there are no rules preventing female students from participating in football or wrestling because they no other avenues to participate in those sports.
I see no issue with a acknowledging that, on average, boys are bigger and stronger than their female counterparts. And therefore, for the purposes of sport, it is prudent to separate them for serious competition so that both sides get a full and lasting experience. My daughter is a really good soccer player. I can tell her she is a great at the sport all day long, but if there isn't a girl and a boy's team when she gets to high school, her career will affectively be over by the time she is a teenager. Wouldn't matter what you told her at that point.
IMO, that's what makes this topic so tough. I don't want to restrict transgirls from doing whatever they want to do, but at the same time allowing them to do so actively encroaches on girls who born girls, and we can't have that either.
This popped on Wall Street Journal today. Funny considering yesterday's discussion.
THE RACE TO REPLACE THE BINARY OF MEN’S AND WOMEN’S SPORTS
Are two athletic categories inadequate? Some researchers think the future lies in creating more, while others propose changing competition rules so that everyone can play against each other
Haven't had a chance to read, yet. Will do later.
THE RACE TO REPLACE THE BINARY OF MEN’S AND WOMEN’S SPORTS
Are two athletic categories inadequate? Some researchers think the future lies in creating more, while others propose changing competition rules so that everyone can play against each other
Haven't had a chance to read, yet. Will do later.
Let's be real about two things here:
1) Most sports fans (80% or so) are men
2) The only women's sport men will ever watch with any regularity is Beach Volleyball.
Obviously this applies to PRO sports.
THIS. I'm all for people doing whatever they want gender wise... Doesn't bother me. BUT, the normal male is simply bigger, stronger, and faster than the normal female. The average male athlete is going to out perform the average female athlete. If you've got male parts, your hormone production is going to make you better on the field as a general rule than if you have female parts.
Now that's a damn shame for folks that want to transition and play women's sports. But that's just the fact of the matter. If this is allowed, the records will all belong to trans athletes and traditional female athletes will not be as competitive as they should be.
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