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Tim Bourret setting another reporter straight

If Tim can someone prove his claim it will go along way to showing the sheep that there is a lot of false information out there.

if he can’t it’s going to be your story vs mine

you would think there would be some sort of picture somewhere of such and event.
 
I think this is the exchange where he was corrected



There are a lot of comments SportsbyBrooks added in his tweets that were not in the article @Larry_Williams posted. Also missing is SportsbyBrooks original snarky reply to Tim.

Story says , Clemson ticket takers didnt let Hill's mom in, and CLemson Prsident came over and took care of her. CLemson fans booed a player of another team during warmups? Wow. That never happens. And UoSC fans had been threatening the lives of MD coach and players and actually stormed the field at halftime, and had fights, but CLemson somehow was in the wrong?

The whole angle from SportsbyBrooks is pathetic and completely destroys the actual story. Did Hill play in any other states that year? how were they treated other away games.

How about Tim write a story about the MD fans and our experiences with them when they were in the ACC.
 
If Tim can someone prove his claim it will go along way to showing the sheep that there is a lot of false information out there.

if he can’t it’s going to be your story vs mine

you would think there would be some sort of picture somewhere of such and event.
actually, Tim's response of the day, is supported by the frigging story the orginal guy linked. That is what is stupid about it.
 
They'll probably say that Edwards took his mom to the box to watch the game to keep her from being a part of the crowd directly, even though this too would be untrue. Welcome to the WOKE and Cancel Culture!!! :(
 
Man there’s a lot of people they have defended this crap

again not knowing the FACTS.... quit talking about it if you don’t know what’s going on
 
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It amazes me how people only see what they want to see. And then portray their own reality through that lens.
Here is the truth: We used to be a lot more racist than we re now. This Maryland game occurred during a great time for social change in our history. Hill was certainly the target of epithets and threats. The stadium may have had a “white’s only” policy, which, if so, should be easily verifiable and was wrong.

President Edwards seized the moment to treat Hill’s mother with kindness and compassion. And whether intentional or not, probably helped foment a positive change.

Those are the facts.

Now we get to choose the spin we put on them. If it’s me, I go with the “good for you Dr. Edwards” angle. Or the “look how far we’ve come” angle.

But I tend to be a positive person.
 
This is one reason why reporters shouldn't be such prolific tweeters. People look at what they tweet and think it has some sort of authority.

At any rate, she seems like she's been pretty gracious in apologizing and acknowledging her mistake. She doesn't seem to see that one reason people don't like her tweeting that is that it was clearly motivated by a need to glom onto the current milieu.
 
Maybe I'm missing something but I'm not sure exactly how Tim set the guy straight.

Seems like an issue of semantics: She was blocked at the gate. President Edwards did come escort her to his box.
That last sentence certainly does complicate the story, though, doesn't it? I think for many of us who have only heard the ugly stories, RC Edwards escorting her to his box would be more surprising than the ugliness. As you know, reporting only certain details while omitting others can bias a story. Maybe this guy didn't know all the details, but omitting the part about Edwards does make you wonder either why this detail wasn't known or why the tweeter didn't think it was relevant to share.

Either way, the whole story about playing football in SC at the time is disturbing.
 
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My dad told me a story about the Southern Classic, a 4 team basketball tournament that was held in Raleigh - he & friends would go there every year. He said that the first black player to play in that tournament was Oscar Robertson - I think he played for Cincinnati. He said that every time Robertson touched the ball, he was booed & jeered loudly. I don't remember what year that was, but that is how things were in the south at that time. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't forgive anything, but it is how things were.

Edit - it was the Dixie Classic, not the Southern Classic. The time frame was late 50s early 60s - I talked to my dad at lunch & asked him about it.
 
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Can we admit (and take a moment to appreciate) the fact that the 'process' pretty much worked in this case? Somebody published something that was erroneous, he was corrected by an expert on the subject, he admitted his mistake while (apparently) leaving the whole exchange up as a lesson about jumping to conclusions and so as to minimize further he said/she said by others that might occur if the original exchange were removed. This is about as good a result as can be expected, I thin,.

Umm....NO....as far as I can tell the Brooks guy never recanted anything...that was Barbeau who originally responded with ,WOW , and apologized for believing the ass.

All these asses posting stuff like this and how America was back then should flippen realize how much improvement there has been in racism over time. Still exists but improves every decade and generation
 
This is the story he was citing, FYI.

On November 16, 1963, 20-year-old Darryl Hill entered "Death Valley," the football stadium at Clemson University, and was greeted by the screams of 30,000 die-hard fans celebrating homecoming. Instead of building the stadium aboveground, the university had, in effect, dug a ditch and dropped the stadium into it, so fans entered at the top and peered down. Looking around the stadium, Hill couldn't see a single black person -- not sitting in the stands, not selling hot dogs, not pushing a broom.

In addition to playing halfback and receiver for the University of Maryland, Hill, the first black football player in the Atlantic Coast Conference, kicked extra points and returned punts, so during warm-ups he took the field before the rest of the team. When he did so on that day, Clemson's coach left his side of the field and walked to within a few feet of him. He stood right next to Hill, smoking his cigar and glaring at him for nearly 10 minutes before he walked back to the sideline. Later, as Hill practiced catching punts, the crowd booed if he caught one and cheered if he dropped the ball. Just as the game was about to start, a Maryland assistant coach ran onto the field and said, "Darryl, there's a problem. It's about your mother."

Hill froze. When he'd given his mother tickets for the Clemson game, he had told her that if his father couldn't leave his business that day, then under no circumstances was she to travel from Washington to South Carolina by herself. But that was what Palestine Hill had done.

Hill, still in uniform, found her at the gate, ticket in hand. "They won't let me in," she told him. Hill argued on her behalf, but the ticket taker was not about to relent, and the uniformed state troopers standing nearby saw no reason to intervene. Frustrated and angry, Hill started to return to the locker room to change so that he could escort his mother out of there. Just then a well-dressed white man showed up. Introducing himself as the president of Clemson University, Robert C. Edwards invited Mrs. Hill to watch the game with him and his family in the president's box. When Hill saw that his mother was in good hands, he went back out onto the field. His teammates soon heard about the incident. Jerry Fishman, his best friend on the team and frequent roommate on the road, asked Hill what he was going to do about it. Hill replied, "I'm going to light these people up!"

Hill caught 10 passes that day, setting a Maryland record, despite being double- and sometimes triple-teamed. When the game was over, Maryland Coach Tom Nugent was so sure there was going to be trouble -- even though Clemson had won, 21-6 -- that he ordered his players to get on the team bus in their uniforms. Their street clothes arrived separately the next day.

Maryland's second game was against South Carolina, in Columbia. Despite year-long threats to the contrary, the Gamecocks did take the field. Nonetheless, Maryland was apprehensive -- the coaches as well as the players. "The booing had started before we even came out on the field, surrounded by the National Guard," Nugent says. "There was so much anger and hatred in the air, it was truly frightening."

Adding to the tension was the fact that several days before the game, in addition to numerous ugly letters, Nugent had received a phone call telling him that at some undisclosed point in the game he would be shot and killed by a sniper. But the intimidating atmosphere seemed to have little effect once Maryland took the field. Hill scored on a 19-yard run in the first quarter, and with just seconds left in the half the Terrapins scored again to put Maryland up, 13-0.

South Carolina fans were incensed, and when the gun sounded for the half, hundreds of them spilled onto the field. The police made the Maryland players wait before they could go into their dressing room. Once the police had escorted the team inside, the crowd grew larger and more unruly. "There were people waiting out there with rocks and tomatoes and everything else," Nugent says. "It looked like there was going to be a terrible riot. It took 48 minutes to restore order." In the second half, South Carolina came back to beat Maryland, 21-13.

At the end of the game, says Fishman, "Darryl was attacked by fans as we left the field. We took off our helmets and held them by the face mask and swung wildly at a couple of hundred fans who were blocking our way to the locker room. We'd actually gotten used to their shouts of 'Kill Hill, kill Hill,' but when it got physical we had no choice but to fight back."
Maryland played USuCk on 9/28/63 and lost 21-13.

Maryland didn't play Clemson until 11/16/63
 
Umm....NO....as far as I can tell the Brooks guy never recanted anything...that was Barbeau who originally responded with ,WOW , and apologized for believing the ass.

All these asses posting stuff like this and how America was back then should flippen realize how much improvement there has been in racism over time. Still exists but improves every decade and generation
Brooks tweeted later that he was a walkon at UGA. should be all we need to know about his slant.
 
Thanks to Tim, the record has been set straight. Thanks to Dr. Bob, Harvey Gantt entered Clemson without much trouble, graduated and remains a Clemson fan. Dr. Bob was a hero at Clemson regarding the integration of our school at a time others all across the south were making fools of themselves.

That said, the larger story told here in the longer article about the racial prejudice of our father's and grandfather's generation and of most of South Carolina in the 60s should not be glossed over. That horrible longer story has the clear ring of truth to which many still living people can testify. At 70 I am old enough to remember a whole lot about how awful, unkind, immoral, unethical and unChristian my home state officially conducted itself not so long ago. With respect to that era our whole state and its people are a bit like criminals who got away with terrible crimes against humanity and now mostly hope everyone will forget our past.

We ought not forget our heritage. It is not remotely all that good.
 
My God
These new lefty journalists just makes shyatt up as they go and not held accountable. These folks are trying so hard to reform racism
That’s just hypocritical and san
the person he responded too is not the original poster, and why would you leave up a lie?
she didn’t post the tweet
She reposnded with ‘wow’
That’s what she is referring too
 
This is the story he was citing, FYI.

On November 16, 1963, 20-year-old Darryl Hill entered "Death Valley," the football stadium at Clemson University, and was greeted by the screams of 30,000 die-hard fans celebrating homecoming. Instead of building the stadium aboveground, the university had, in effect, dug a ditch and dropped the stadium into it, so fans entered at the top and peered down. Looking around the stadium, Hill couldn't see a single black person -- not sitting in the stands, not selling hot dogs, not pushing a broom.

In addition to playing halfback and receiver for the University of Maryland, Hill, the first black football player in the Atlantic Coast Conference, kicked extra points and returned punts, so during warm-ups he took the field before the rest of the team. When he did so on that day, Clemson's coach left his side of the field and walked to within a few feet of him. He stood right next to Hill, smoking his cigar and glaring at him for nearly 10 minutes before he walked back to the sideline. Later, as Hill practiced catching punts, the crowd booed if he caught one and cheered if he dropped the ball. Just as the game was about to start, a Maryland assistant coach ran onto the field and said, "Darryl, there's a problem. It's about your mother."

Hill froze. When he'd given his mother tickets for the Clemson game, he had told her that if his father couldn't leave his business that day, then under no circumstances was she to travel from Washington to South Carolina by herself. But that was what Palestine Hill had done.

Hill, still in uniform, found her at the gate, ticket in hand. "They won't let me in," she told him. Hill argued on her behalf, but the ticket taker was not about to relent, and the uniformed state troopers standing nearby saw no reason to intervene. Frustrated and angry, Hill started to return to the locker room to change so that he could escort his mother out of there. Just then a well-dressed white man showed up. Introducing himself as the president of Clemson University, Robert C. Edwards invited Mrs. Hill to watch the game with him and his family in the president's box. When Hill saw that his mother was in good hands, he went back out onto the field. His teammates soon heard about the incident. Jerry Fishman, his best friend on the team and frequent roommate on the road, asked Hill what he was going to do about it. Hill replied, "I'm going to light these people up!"

Hill caught 10 passes that day, setting a Maryland record, despite being double- and sometimes triple-teamed. When the game was over, Maryland Coach Tom Nugent was so sure there was going to be trouble -- even though Clemson had won, 21-6 -- that he ordered his players to get on the team bus in their uniforms. Their street clothes arrived separately the next day.

Maryland's second game was against South Carolina, in Columbia. Despite year-long threats to the contrary, the Gamecocks did take the field. Nonetheless, Maryland was apprehensive -- the coaches as well as the players. "The booing had started before we even came out on the field, surrounded by the National Guard," Nugent says. "There was so much anger and hatred in the air, it was truly frightening."

Adding to the tension was the fact that several days before the game, in addition to numerous ugly letters, Nugent had received a phone call telling him that at some undisclosed point in the game he would be shot and killed by a sniper. But the intimidating atmosphere seemed to have little effect once Maryland took the field. Hill scored on a 19-yard run in the first quarter, and with just seconds left in the half the Terrapins scored again to put Maryland up, 13-0.

South Carolina fans were incensed, and when the gun sounded for the half, hundreds of them spilled onto the field. The police made the Maryland players wait before they could go into their dressing room. Once the police had escorted the team inside, the crowd grew larger and more unruly. "There were people waiting out there with rocks and tomatoes and everything else," Nugent says. "It looked like there was going to be a terrible riot. It took 48 minutes to restore order." In the second half, South Carolina came back to beat Maryland, 21-13.

At the end of the game, says Fishman, "Darryl was attacked by fans as we left the field. We took off our helmets and held them by the face mask and swung wildly at a couple of hundred fans who were blocking our way to the locker room. We'd actually gotten used to their shouts of 'Kill Hill, kill Hill,' but when it got physical we had no choice but to fight back."
Wow; those Gamecock fans sound like Democrat looters. Scary
 
This is the story he was citing, FYI.

On November 16, 1963, 20-year-old Darryl Hill entered "Death Valley," the football stadium at Clemson University, and was greeted by the screams of 30,000 die-hard fans celebrating homecoming. Instead of building the stadium aboveground, the university had, in effect, dug a ditch and dropped the stadium into it, so fans entered at the top and peered down. Looking around the stadium, Hill couldn't see a single black person -- not sitting in the stands, not selling hot dogs, not pushing a broom.

In addition to playing halfback and receiver for the University of Maryland, Hill, the first black football player in the Atlantic Coast Conference, kicked extra points and returned punts, so during warm-ups he took the field before the rest of the team. When he did so on that day, Clemson's coach left his side of the field and walked to within a few feet of him. He stood right next to Hill, smoking his cigar and glaring at him for nearly 10 minutes before he walked back to the sideline. Later, as Hill practiced catching punts, the crowd booed if he caught one and cheered if he dropped the ball. Just as the game was about to start, a Maryland assistant coach ran onto the field and said, "Darryl, there's a problem. It's about your mother."

Hill froze. When he'd given his mother tickets for the Clemson game, he had told her that if his father couldn't leave his business that day, then under no circumstances was she to travel from Washington to South Carolina by herself. But that was what Palestine Hill had done.

Hill, still in uniform, found her at the gate, ticket in hand. "They won't let me in," she told him. Hill argued on her behalf, but the ticket taker was not about to relent, and the uniformed state troopers standing nearby saw no reason to intervene. Frustrated and angry, Hill started to return to the locker room to change so that he could escort his mother out of there. Just then a well-dressed white man showed up. Introducing himself as the president of Clemson University, Robert C. Edwards invited Mrs. Hill to watch the game with him and his family in the president's box. When Hill saw that his mother was in good hands, he went back out onto the field. His teammates soon heard about the incident. Jerry Fishman, his best friend on the team and frequent roommate on the road, asked Hill what he was going to do about it. Hill replied, "I'm going to light these people up!"

Hill caught 10 passes that day, setting a Maryland record, despite being double- and sometimes triple-teamed. When the game was over, Maryland Coach Tom Nugent was so sure there was going to be trouble -- even though Clemson had won, 21-6 -- that he ordered his players to get on the team bus in their uniforms. Their street clothes arrived separately the next day.

Maryland's second game was against South Carolina, in Columbia. Despite year-long threats to the contrary, the Gamecocks did take the field. Nonetheless, Maryland was apprehensive -- the coaches as well as the players. "The booing had started before we even came out on the field, surrounded by the National Guard," Nugent says. "There was so much anger and hatred in the air, it was truly frightening."

Adding to the tension was the fact that several days before the game, in addition to numerous ugly letters, Nugent had received a phone call telling him that at some undisclosed point in the game he would be shot and killed by a sniper. But the intimidating atmosphere seemed to have little effect once Maryland took the field. Hill scored on a 19-yard run in the first quarter, and with just seconds left in the half the Terrapins scored again to put Maryland up, 13-0.

South Carolina fans were incensed, and when the gun sounded for the half, hundreds of them spilled onto the field. The police made the Maryland players wait before they could go into their dressing room. Once the police had escorted the team inside, the crowd grew larger and more unruly. "There were people waiting out there with rocks and tomatoes and everything else," Nugent says. "It looked like there was going to be a terrible riot. It took 48 minutes to restore order." In the second half, South Carolina came back to beat Maryland, 21-13.

At the end of the game, says Fishman, "Darryl was attacked by fans as we left the field. We took off our helmets and held them by the face mask and swung wildly at a couple of hundred fans who were blocking our way to the locker room. We'd actually gotten used to their shouts of 'Kill Hill, kill Hill,' but when it got physical we had no choice but to fight back."
I will be as positive as I can...we have come a really, really long way in 50-60 years.

There are students that were at these games that are still around today. But not for much longer, and that is what it takes to have true societal transformation - generational succession.
 
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I can't vouch for why he chose the Clemson angle (maybe because that's what led the article).

But what a brutal, embarrassing time in our state's history. I can't wrap my mind around ugly stuff like that happening at college football games a mere 12 years before I was born.
the guy is a real winner

 
Thanks to Tim, the record has been set straight. Thanks to Dr. Bob, Harvey Gantt entered Clemson without much trouble, graduated and remains a Clemson fan. Dr. Bob was a hero at Clemson regarding the integration of our school at a time others all across the south were making fools of themselves.

That said, the larger story told here in the longer article about the racial prejudice of our father's and grandfather's generation and of most of South Carolina in the 60s should not be glossed over. That horrible longer story has the clear ring of truth to which many still living people can testify. At 70 I am old enough to remember a whole lot about how awful, unkind, immoral, unethical and unChristian my home state officially conducted itself not so long ago. With respect to that era our whole state and its people are a bit like criminals who got away with terrible crimes against humanity and now mostly hope everyone will forget our past.

We ought not forget our heritage. It is not remotely all that good.

So well said.
 
I will be as positive as I can...we have come a really, really long way in 50-60 years.

There are students that were at these games that are still around today. But not for much longer, and that is what it takes to have true societal transformation - generational succession.
I think people can and have repented. I'm sure not all of them. I would like to have seen more public apologies from people of that generation, because I think it would have helped address some of the feelings of alienation and second-class citizenship. Maybe I missed them, but we certainly didn't have anything like Truth and Reconciliation Commissions in South Africa (and those didn't really solve the problem, either). I know there was a lot of talk about "racial reconciliation" among Christians in the 90s. And, of course, racial history isn't the only thing that counts.
 
SportsByBrooks has been taking pot shots at Clemson through his media platforms for a long time now. He is a former UGA walk-on, with some obvious distain and thinly veiled vendetta against Clemson. Period. Why TF is he bringing up that article NOW and focussing negatively on Clemson? The article was published in the Washington Post...back in TWO THOUSAND AND FOUR. This guy has been all over Dabo, all over Clemson, and race baiting his readers to click on anything and everything he can find which paints Clemson negatively. He intentionally omits the parts of that article and any other pieces of news which do not fit his anti-Clemson narrative. I still can't seem to figure out exactly why he has made it his personal pet project to smear Clemson at every possible turn, but he most certainly has.
 
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So Southerners catch Hell for reliving and sensationalizing the Civil War, but Mr. Brooks Melchior can dredge up a sensationalized part of history and it's OK?

Interesting article about Mr. Melchior in the Los Angeles Weekly. Also interesting that he has a talk show in Columbus, Ohio.
 
Thanks to Tim, the record has been set straight. Thanks to Dr. Bob, Harvey Gantt entered Clemson without much trouble, graduated and remains a Clemson fan. Dr. Bob was a hero at Clemson regarding the integration of our school at a time others all across the south were making fools of themselves.

That said, the larger story told here in the longer article about the racial prejudice of our father's and grandfather's generation and of most of South Carolina in the 60s should not be glossed over. That horrible longer story has the clear ring of truth to which many still living people can testify. At 70 I am old enough to remember a whole lot about how awful, unkind, immoral, unethical and unChristian my home state officially conducted itself not so long ago. With respect to that era our whole state and its people are a bit like criminals who got away with terrible crimes against humanity and now mostly hope everyone will forget our past.

We ought not forget our heritage. It is not remotely all that good.

I would say that Gantt entering Clemson "without much trouble" is probably a stretch.

Clemson put up considerable resistance to him coming. They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees over two years. It took Gantt four or five applications and finally multiple lawsuits to get in.
 
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I think people can and have repented. I'm sure not all of them. I would like to have seen more public apologies from people of that generation, because I think it would have helped address some of the feelings of alienation and second-class citizenship. Maybe I missed them, but we certainly didn't have anything like Truth and Reconciliation Commissions in South Africa (and those didn't really solve the problem, either). I know there was a lot of talk about "racial reconciliation" among Christians in the 90s. And, of course, racial history isn't the only thing that counts.
Some hearts and minds can and do change, but I don't think that happens as authentically/deeply and at the numbers the converted would have us believe.

Some just bend due to social pressures of the day. True eradication of deep seated prejudices can only happen at a generational pace.

That said, looking at the civil rights movement of the past generation (60 years) has been remarkable. I mean, my goodness...Jim Crow laws were still on the books in the 1960s.
 
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I would say that Gantt entering Clemson "without much trouble" is probably a stretch.

Clemson put up considerable resistance to him coming. They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees over two years. It took Gantt four or five applications and finally multiple lawsuits to get in.
I think he was talking about physically arriving on Campus. Not the process to get there.
 
Not to take the edge off, but when I was a freshman in '68 we had a player go down during a game. Trainer Herman M ran out on the field in a very quiet stadium (only seated 42K back then). As Herman was examining the player, a student yelled, "touch him Herman", and the stadium erupted with laughter. The player stood up, jogged off the field and the legend of Herman was born. Herman was very popular with the student body during my 4 years.
 
My God
These new lefty journalists just makes shyatt up as they go and not held accountable. These folks are trying so hard to reform racism
Hey that you Mark, Rush, Shaun, Bow Tie...Mr. President... oops Sorry, you said Journalists!
 
And the outlook for America is still better with him running the show than a bunch of socialist, extreme left,, race hustling, Democrats.
Heck No! Because the Republican Lead Senate, Our Attorney General & IG; Are Not Doing Their Check & Balance Of This President! We Need Our Government To Work!
 
Some hearts and minds can and do change, but I don't think that happens as authentically/deeply and at the numbers the converted would have us believe.

Some just bend due to social pressures of the day. True eradication of deep seated prejudices can only happen at a generational pace.

That said, looking at the civil rights movement of the past generation (60 years) has been remarkable. I mean, my goodness...Jim Crow laws were still on the books in the 1960s.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunantely, we still have Jim Crow Laws on the books Today! They are disguised in our law enforcement, voting etc.. Google works...
 
Is this the Michelle Alexander/Ava Duvernay thing? That view is pretty controversial, whether just in terms of reason for incarceration, legal history, or black people's views on crime and punishment (for instance, the 90s crime bill was largely supported by black leaders).
 
Some hearts and minds can and do change, but I don't think that happens as authentically/deeply and at the numbers the converted would have us believe.

Some just bend due to social pressures of the day. True eradication of deep seated prejudices can only happen at a generational pace.

That said, looking at the civil rights movement of the past generation (60 years) has been remarkable. I mean, my goodness...Jim Crow laws were still on the books in the 1960s.
The last segregated school district didn't get desegregated until the mid-90s.
 
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