Pure therapy for me personally. It's actually a breath of fresh air to see congress doing something functional in a bipartisan way. We have to flush the turd of Jan 6 someway and this is the way to move on.
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I wonder how much taxpayer money was paid for all of this
Somethings are an investment.
Do you think the Watergate hearings were a waste of money? This is a MUCH bigger deal.
Sighs in your direction. Look our democracy is only going to work with discourse. You can take your ball and go home if you want. If you do then shut up.
Probably some of the best money spent by congress in years. To each their own, but I like my patriots to not be the treasonous type.
When you listen to the dozens of Republicans and Trump supporters that were interviewed for this and objectively review the facts, you either need to have clinical mental retardation or be the fruit of generations of inbreeding to not realize what Trump did.
There's never going to be a value add to our country if people walk around thinking they can just isolate their thoughts. You will lose your way off life either this generation or your children's. Your dismissiveness is our doom. But go ahead and own the libs.
Are you saying you already knew Trump was a traitor that incited a coup and did nothing to stop it as it unfolded? In that case, I could see why you didn’t think spending money to prove it to the masses was worth it. But you need to realize not everyone is as astute as you and many needed more proof. The committee did a masterful job of it and it’s great to see the poll numbers showing that loser losing ground.
You fellows are having a great time with this. You should’ve tailgated together, beforehand.
Look ill explain the lack of substance here: Donald Trump supporters are awkardly realizing they have no real information to base their narrative on.
imagine watching this and taking it serious...,what a world
No real jury. No real witnesses. What a sham. Interrogating Hunter Biden would be more useful, and find out who the real villains are.
This NY Gubernatorial candidate was much more in danger of losing his life than any legislator on Jan6.
www.foxnews.com
......and this dem protestor single handedly killed more people than all the Jan6 protestors with assault weapons intent on killing. Even fired more shots than all of them combined.
www.foxnews.com
These are the facts and they are indisputable!
Lee Zeldin, New York GOP gubernatorial candidate, attacked at campaign stop
Rep. Lee Zeldin was attacked during a campaign stop in New York on Thursday night and one individual allegedly pulled out a blade, according to a report.
......and this dem protestor single handedly killed more people than all the Jan6 protestors with assault weapons intent on killing. Even fired more shots than all of them combined.
David Dorn murder: St. Louis man found guilty in death of retired police captain during night of looting
Stephan Cannon, 26, faces life in prison without parole for gunning down retired St. Louis Police Capt. David Dorn during a night of looting in June 2020.
These are the facts and they are indisputable!
Never trumpers please read this and chew on it.
justthenews.com
By John Solomon
Updated: July 22, 2022 - 12:07am
House Democrats' marquee summer show of primetime investigative hearings ended Thursday night where it began: unable or unwilling to answer essential questions about the Jan. 6 Capitol breach.
Chief among them: If Donald Trump wanted to incite violence that fateful day, as his critics suggest, then why did he order the Pentagon to have a large military force ready to quell a disturbance? And why did a Democrat-led Congress turn down the assistance of pop National Guard troops in the face of intelligence warnings about violence?
By their own admission, Democrats set up the hearings to evade such scrutiny. They declared any questions about what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew about the potential for Jan. 6 violence and when she knew it were off limits.
Secret Service agents were never called to testify in public about whether former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson's story about Trump trying to force his limousine to go to the Capitol were true. And questions about how those in charge of Capitol security responded to FBI and Homeland Security pre-event warnings about potential violence were never asked, much less answered.
Instead, the Jan. 6 committee put on hearsay testimony from Hutchinson and released partial transcripts or video snippets of testimony without allowing Republicans or Trump's own lawyers to cross-examine witnesses or challenge the narrative offered to the American public.
"It's the first time this has happened in my lifetime since McCarthyism, and it's despicable," said famed Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, a lifelong Democrat who voted for Joe Biden in 2020. "The idea that they would interview this witness and allow her to testify to hearsay about the president jumping toward the wheel, without first asking the eye- and ear- witnesses. I've never heard of a lawyer doing that in my 16 years of practicing law. ... It's not only unethical, it's not only unfair, it's bad lawyering.”
Dershowitz said the committee Democrats and two anti-Trump Republicans — Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger — created a clear perception with their performance of being "partisan zealots" rather than truth-seekers.
Former career federal prosecutor David Sullivan said Thursday that the entire Jan. 6 accountability process — both at the Justice Department and the congressional hearings — raised questions of fairness and gave viewers a reason to tune out what proved to be "very scripted" interrogations. He said Democrats likely would have gained more credibility and traction if they had let Republicans offer contrary evidence and engaged in true cross-examination.
"Legal scholars are very troubled by the way these hearings are being conducted," Sullivan said. "There is no due process. For people who don’t have an agenda to promote, these [hearings] are Stalinist. And I hate using that term."
Throughout the summer, Democrats have argued that Trump intended and eventually succeeded in inciting the violence on Jan. 6. "The select committee has found evidence about a lot more than incitement here, and we're gonna be laying out the evidence about all of the actors who were pivotal to what took place on Jan. 6," Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) said at outset of the hearings.
But the hearings have been undercut by a fundamental fact: Trump's actions before the riot began included urging supporters to "peacefully and patriotically" express their opinions and ordering his top aides to ensure there was a large contingent of National Guard troops at the ready to ensure no trouble ensued.
A Capitol Police timeline obtained by Just the News shows the Trump Pentagon first offered National Guard troops to the Capitol Police on Jan. 2, 2021, four full days before the event. The police turned down the offer but then began to have second thoughts. The Capitol Police then asked their political minders — the House sergeant at arms chief among them — for permission to accept the troops on Jan. 4 but were turned down on the ground that such a show of force would create bad "optics," the records show.
File
USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf
But the most compelling piece of evidence that Trump wanted to thwart — rather than incite —violence is contained in a lengthy memo written by the Pentagon inspector general that chronicled the assistance the Defense Department offered Congress both ahead of and during the riot.
In it, the IG recounts a fateful meeting on Jan. 3, 2021 in the White House when then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met with Trump on national security matters.
The complete passage — hardly mentioned by Democrats at the hearings or the news media covering them — is worth absorbing in its entirety.
"Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m.," the IG reported. "The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, 'We've got a plan and we've got it covered.'"
You can read that memo here:
File
DODIG-2022-039 V2 508.pdf
In advance of the Jan. 6 rally, the president told the most senior civilian and uniformed leaders of the military he knew the event was going to draw a "large number of protestors," and he instructed the secretary of defense to ensure it was "safe" by having troops available. Democrats have not offered any evidence to counter that story.
The Pentagon memo also yields insight into the mindset of the Democrat-led Congress, top military officials and the local police before Jan. 6. Key players, it reveals, repeatedly raised concerns about accepting the offer of National Guard help, fearing it would create the perception of a military coup or martial law as the election results were certified.
Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy told the IG "he did not want to create the perception that the military was involved in the electoral process," according to the memo. "He said that Mr. Miller made it clear that the military would not be involved in certifying the election results and that 10 different news agencies asked him about military use and martial law."
District of Columbia Police Chief Robert Contee also opposed having National Guard troops, but for a different reason. "Chief Contee explained to us that he did not want other Federal law enforcement involved on January 6, 2021, because of the risk associated with having unidentified Federal officers carrying weapons within D.C," the memo recorded.
Even as key security officials were shrinking from deploying National Guard troops lest the "optics" send the wrong political message, the Capitol Police was being flooded by the FBI, the Marshal's Service and the Homeland Security Department with raw intelligence warning of possible violence, Just the News reported recently.
Those intelligence reports, which started flowing more than two weeks before the riot, flagged online chatter about waging a "bloody war," using nerve gas, concealing guns, and burning down the Supreme Court and specifically flagged two groups for possible trouble, the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.
"Right-wing extremists are talking about tunnels below the Capitol Complex and the allegiances of USCP officers," Capitol Police intelligence expert John T. Nugent Jr. wrote in an email Dec. 21, 2020 sent to a distribution list of the department's Intelligence and Interagency Coordination Division.
File
NugentIntelEmajl12-21-20.pdf
Despite the warnings, the president’s offer of troops wasn’t accepted and the Capitol Police did not take a security posture on Jan. 6 commensurate with the threats.
To date, the House committee investigating Jan. 6 hasn’t provided a complete explanation why.
Trump gave order to 'make sure' Jan. 6 rally was 'safe event,' Pentagon memo shows
Gen. Milley’s recollection undercuts months-long effort by Democrats to suggest Trump wanted to incite violence: many key questions left unanswered.
justthenews.com
Trump gave order to 'make sure' Jan. 6 rally was 'safe event,' Pentagon memo shows
Gen. Milley’s recollection undercuts months-long effort by Democrats to suggest Trump wanted to incite violence: many key questions left unanswered.By John Solomon
Updated: July 22, 2022 - 12:07am
House Democrats' marquee summer show of primetime investigative hearings ended Thursday night where it began: unable or unwilling to answer essential questions about the Jan. 6 Capitol breach.
Chief among them: If Donald Trump wanted to incite violence that fateful day, as his critics suggest, then why did he order the Pentagon to have a large military force ready to quell a disturbance? And why did a Democrat-led Congress turn down the assistance of pop National Guard troops in the face of intelligence warnings about violence?
By their own admission, Democrats set up the hearings to evade such scrutiny. They declared any questions about what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew about the potential for Jan. 6 violence and when she knew it were off limits.
Secret Service agents were never called to testify in public about whether former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson's story about Trump trying to force his limousine to go to the Capitol were true. And questions about how those in charge of Capitol security responded to FBI and Homeland Security pre-event warnings about potential violence were never asked, much less answered.
Instead, the Jan. 6 committee put on hearsay testimony from Hutchinson and released partial transcripts or video snippets of testimony without allowing Republicans or Trump's own lawyers to cross-examine witnesses or challenge the narrative offered to the American public.
"It's the first time this has happened in my lifetime since McCarthyism, and it's despicable," said famed Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, a lifelong Democrat who voted for Joe Biden in 2020. "The idea that they would interview this witness and allow her to testify to hearsay about the president jumping toward the wheel, without first asking the eye- and ear- witnesses. I've never heard of a lawyer doing that in my 16 years of practicing law. ... It's not only unethical, it's not only unfair, it's bad lawyering.”
Dershowitz said the committee Democrats and two anti-Trump Republicans — Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger — created a clear perception with their performance of being "partisan zealots" rather than truth-seekers.
Former career federal prosecutor David Sullivan said Thursday that the entire Jan. 6 accountability process — both at the Justice Department and the congressional hearings — raised questions of fairness and gave viewers a reason to tune out what proved to be "very scripted" interrogations. He said Democrats likely would have gained more credibility and traction if they had let Republicans offer contrary evidence and engaged in true cross-examination.
"Legal scholars are very troubled by the way these hearings are being conducted," Sullivan said. "There is no due process. For people who don’t have an agenda to promote, these [hearings] are Stalinist. And I hate using that term."
Throughout the summer, Democrats have argued that Trump intended and eventually succeeded in inciting the violence on Jan. 6. "The select committee has found evidence about a lot more than incitement here, and we're gonna be laying out the evidence about all of the actors who were pivotal to what took place on Jan. 6," Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) said at outset of the hearings.
But the hearings have been undercut by a fundamental fact: Trump's actions before the riot began included urging supporters to "peacefully and patriotically" express their opinions and ordering his top aides to ensure there was a large contingent of National Guard troops at the ready to ensure no trouble ensued.
A Capitol Police timeline obtained by Just the News shows the Trump Pentagon first offered National Guard troops to the Capitol Police on Jan. 2, 2021, four full days before the event. The police turned down the offer but then began to have second thoughts. The Capitol Police then asked their political minders — the House sergeant at arms chief among them — for permission to accept the troops on Jan. 4 but were turned down on the ground that such a show of force would create bad "optics," the records show.
File
USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf
But the most compelling piece of evidence that Trump wanted to thwart — rather than incite —violence is contained in a lengthy memo written by the Pentagon inspector general that chronicled the assistance the Defense Department offered Congress both ahead of and during the riot.
In it, the IG recounts a fateful meeting on Jan. 3, 2021 in the White House when then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met with Trump on national security matters.
The complete passage — hardly mentioned by Democrats at the hearings or the news media covering them — is worth absorbing in its entirety.
"Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m.," the IG reported. "The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, 'We've got a plan and we've got it covered.'"
You can read that memo here:
File
DODIG-2022-039 V2 508.pdf
In advance of the Jan. 6 rally, the president told the most senior civilian and uniformed leaders of the military he knew the event was going to draw a "large number of protestors," and he instructed the secretary of defense to ensure it was "safe" by having troops available. Democrats have not offered any evidence to counter that story.
The Pentagon memo also yields insight into the mindset of the Democrat-led Congress, top military officials and the local police before Jan. 6. Key players, it reveals, repeatedly raised concerns about accepting the offer of National Guard help, fearing it would create the perception of a military coup or martial law as the election results were certified.
Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy told the IG "he did not want to create the perception that the military was involved in the electoral process," according to the memo. "He said that Mr. Miller made it clear that the military would not be involved in certifying the election results and that 10 different news agencies asked him about military use and martial law."
District of Columbia Police Chief Robert Contee also opposed having National Guard troops, but for a different reason. "Chief Contee explained to us that he did not want other Federal law enforcement involved on January 6, 2021, because of the risk associated with having unidentified Federal officers carrying weapons within D.C," the memo recorded.
Even as key security officials were shrinking from deploying National Guard troops lest the "optics" send the wrong political message, the Capitol Police was being flooded by the FBI, the Marshal's Service and the Homeland Security Department with raw intelligence warning of possible violence, Just the News reported recently.
Those intelligence reports, which started flowing more than two weeks before the riot, flagged online chatter about waging a "bloody war," using nerve gas, concealing guns, and burning down the Supreme Court and specifically flagged two groups for possible trouble, the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.
"Right-wing extremists are talking about tunnels below the Capitol Complex and the allegiances of USCP officers," Capitol Police intelligence expert John T. Nugent Jr. wrote in an email Dec. 21, 2020 sent to a distribution list of the department's Intelligence and Interagency Coordination Division.
File
NugentIntelEmajl12-21-20.pdf
Despite the warnings, the president’s offer of troops wasn’t accepted and the Capitol Police did not take a security posture on Jan. 6 commensurate with the threats.
To date, the House committee investigating Jan. 6 hasn’t provided a complete explanation why.
I would rate the Fake Russian Collusion Conspiracy against Trump as the greatest of all time at an attempt by the deep state to undermine a duly elected government
Prison and possible harsher sentences to include executions should be on the table
Same as the Joe and Hunter Biden use of goverment resources involving Russia and China and numerous other countries to extort money as foreign agents for personal gain along with selling out US interests
These two situations dwarf Jan 6 which needs to be investigated by an unbiased panel as the present panel refuses to look at all information and cherry picks what Democrats want to show to create a narrative
Jan 6 was more collusion and circus provoked by many failures of Nancy Pelosi to take advice to protect the capital or the nation with the hundreds of riots by left liberals and activists
Standard MAGA response:
- But Collusion!
- But Hunter Biden!
- But Antifa!
- But Pelosi!
Now now, we can’t bring up the current president and his degenerate family’s corruption and crimes, we have an “insurrection” to tend to
Priorities man!
Besides, you wouldn’t want to commit a WhAtABouTisM would you? That’s like the worst thing ever.
Here you go with your twisted cornball logic again. None of those things have anything to do with an attempt to overthrow democracy. Finding random stories about summin, summin that happened somewhere else that have nothing to do with the subject at hand is asinine horseshit. Please stick to the sidelines.This NY Gubernatorial candidate was much more in danger of losing his life than any legislator on Jan6.
Lee Zeldin, New York GOP gubernatorial candidate, attacked at campaign stop
Rep. Lee Zeldin was attacked during a campaign stop in New York on Thursday night and one individual allegedly pulled out a blade, according to a report.
......and this dem protestor single handedly killed more people than all the Jan6 protestors with assault weapons intent on killing. Even fired more shots than all of them combined.
David Dorn murder: St. Louis man found guilty in death of retired police captain during night of looting
Stephan Cannon, 26, faces life in prison without parole for gunning down retired St. Louis Police Capt. David Dorn during a night of looting in June 2020.
These are the facts and they are indisputable!
You don't think the 40 other posts started on here every day are sufficient?
Again, please invest in this keyboard to save yourself time
Russia gate is the biggest deal of them all. Yet no prime time specials.
Histrionic Personality Disorder is a real thing
I’m not a doctor, but anyone can put two and two together
Russiagate is the biggest scandal in US history, and it isn’t close
It’s been proven as fact, yet we have some on this forum who like to ignore that fact and still push the bunk narrative
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