It’s sickening! I saw that one but skipped over it, they are all over twitter 100s of them (possibly much more)
Ukrainian gains in Kherson Oblast
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And yet you have some on this board who will enthusiastically cheer for a guy who struggles to offer even the slightest criticism of Putin
Couple of notes:
1) Killing civilians in war is not the definition of genocide. You may want to roll that back.
2) Russian hitting "civilian" targets intentionally is unlikely. Their smart weapon inventory isn't that big to waste it on non-payoff targets. I've seen Russian "TLAMs" shot before in combat. Their accuracy isn't very good. In addition, it wouldn't be out of the question that Ukraine has GPS jammers near highly defended assets. GPS jammers are very portable and cheap. Throwing a weapon off a 100 yards can cause a civilian target to get it.
Did you follow the missile attacks this week? These weren't missing infantry positions by 100 yards. They were launched into city centers.
You can define it however you like, but mass murdering civilians in captured towns, torturing civilians and arbitrarily shelling city centers and killing civilians fall into the bucket of genocidal atrocities to me.
I somewhat understand the Biden administrations desire to hammer the Russians, given they are the aggressor, and oh, BTW they have nukes and resources. This war has many similarities to the Finland campaign of '39. No one supported the Soviets then or now, and rightfully so. RUS is mainly a pariah in the West. The soviet system redux is an abomination to the world that does not need to be repeated.
What I don't understand is why no third nation will attempt to mediate some type of ceasefire. Like it or not, Russia is some type of balance to China's territorial ambitions in Siberia and much of central Asia. In other words, they might be more useful to the US and West as a functional corpse of a state with an eye to the West, and not a third world despot. They way this war is heading, RUS is going to collapse soon enough, and that's gonna be a problem. The West has never been good at end of conflict stuff-see Iraq, Vietnam, etc.......we may not like what is going to happen much at all. Pray hard because war still really sucks.
What I don't understand is why no third nation will attempt to mediate some type of ceasefire. Like it or not, Russia is some type of balance to China's territorial ambitions in Siberia and much of central Asia. In other words, they might be more useful to the US and West as a functional corpse of a state with an eye to the West, and not a third world despot. They way this war is heading, RUS is going to collapse soon enough, and that's gonna be a problem. The West has never been good at end of conflict stuff-see Iraq, Vietnam, etc.......we may not like what is going to happen much at all. Pray hard because war still really sucks.
Russia is not synonymous with its government. It's the government we rightfully want to collapse. Putin's never going to be our friend despite being Trump's lover.
The Russian folks deserve better for sure. Where is Peter the Great when you need him? A west viewing RUS would be a great outcome.
But I still respectfully submit no one is thinking about the end game here-and based on the US/Western track record, we suck at it. Wishes and winging it is not an option.
You sound like a fellow I could drink a few cold ones with to debate this issue. Stalin once said something to the effect that it didn't matter who voted or could vote. It only matters who counts the votes.
Carried to its logical conclusion, that could explain how a nation of 340 million had the 2020 choice of 1) recycled senility, former ally of Bob Byrd with a late life socialism bent or 2) orange hair meenie with megalomania. Not sure we deserved this Hobbesian choice.
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War crimes and atrocities for sure, but genocide has a pretty specific meaning and we aren't there yet. Are we being pedantic? Sure. But, we are also flexing our e-peens so can you blame us?
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