i respect people’s decision not to vaccinate just like I do do not resuscitate directives. We should threat them the same, once a decision has been made, don’t waste resources treating them- give them some pain killers and let them l8ve out their lives for as long as that may be.
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i respect people’s decision not to vaccinate just like I do do not resuscitate directives. We should threat them the same, once a decision has been made, don’t waste resources treating them- give them some pain killers and let them l8ve out their lives for as long as that may be.
NPR said last week, to date, the numbers show that COVID19 is 2x deadlier than the common flu, for kids under 18. I assume the data could change a little with the expansion of variants.
However, I feel healthy young adults and children are relatively safe from severe bouts with Covid19. Sure, anything can happen just like any accidental death. Right now, I’m more concerned about RSV for my 3 young kids.
However, I feel healthy young adults and children are relatively safe from severe bouts with Covid19. Sure, anything can happen just like any accidental death. Right now, I’m more concerned about RSV for my 3 young kids.
You hope I am kidding about Israel ? You literally changed the topic. I asked why were the most vaccinated countries having terrible outbreaks……..not death and hospitalization. Quit moving the goal post . Some of the most vaccinated countries are having the highest number of cases. You know who else has a very low percentage of being hospitalized or dying? Those of us who have antibodies.
Maybe so...just checked Reuter which said 66%. But either way, Israel has done quite well on vaccinating their population. And have started on Round 3 for those Age 60 and above. The US will soon follow their lead.
Israel: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps
Tracking the COVID-19 outbreak, updated daily
Who cares about outbreaks?
Every person in the world is probably going to catch COVID-19 -- even a large number of people who were vaccinated. I still think vaccine + natural immunity (from catching COVID and recovering) is the strongest protection.
Hospitalizations and death are ALL that really matter.
25 years ago 90% of the country would be vaccinated by now and we’d be rocking along. Social media will be the death of this country.
Hospitalizations and deaths are not all that matters. I believe natural antibodies and ivermectin would be a much better solution. Ivermectin is a prophylactic, therapeutic, and also helps long haulers. If I was a long hauler I would definitely look into it.
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YUP!! When I was a kid they gave a polio shot at school. Everyone got it. Everyone!!!! No questions asked. And it was eradicated.
Happy for private school. In person, without mask, starts Monday. And has been open since 5/28/20.
Maybe so...just checked Reuter which said 66%. But either way, Israel has done quite well on vaccinating their population. And have started on Round 3 for those Age 60 and above. The US will soon follow their lead.
Israel: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps
Tracking the COVID-19 outbreak, updated dailygraphics.reuters.com
I just saw that the “adult” population is right at 80% fully vaccinated. I think the 90% I had recently heard also included the ones with 1 shot. However, your figure is probably correct for the entire population and all age group.
Almost 80 per cent of the adult population has been fully vaccinated
Israel, Widely Vaccinated, Suffers Another Covid-19 Surge
The Israeli government is delivering more booster shots and restoring mask and quarantine mandates as the Delta variant drives up hospitalizations.
www.wsj.com
Do almost 97% of doctors in the country endorse Ivermectin by actually taking it themselves? Because that is the number who don't just support the vaccines but have actually taken the vaccines themselves. And they aren't getting paid to take it. You are implying hundreds of doctors support Ivermectin and, if true, that is only a fraction of the doctors in this country who support the vaccines.
If you want to take ivermectin, fine. If you want to cite a few doctors who support it, great. Go for it. It may be low risk even if it isn't proven to have a high efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 and doesn't even carry an EUA for COVID treatment. But how can you not apply that same logic to something almost universally taken by doctors themselves and now given to hundreds of millions of people and proven to be highly effective at preventing severe illness?
First of all the vaccine is proven to be less and less effective. Open your eyes. Ivermectin is highly effective against Covid if taken early and that has been proven in numerous studies. EAU Cannot be granted to a drug if there is a drug that already exist that works . Therefore you are probably not goin to here about Ivermectin . They already gave EAU to remdesivir which isn’t nearly as effective and is over $3000 a treatment. Too much money to be made. I had antibodies and natural immunity which is way better than a vaccine. But you keep believing the world health organization and the CDC because they are transparent organizations who never try to deceive anyone lol.
I don’t care what the CDC or world health organization says. I know many highly skilled and train medical professionals who i rely on for information who speak highly of the vaccine. No vaccine is perfect.
You anti vaxxers and your ivermectin argument is funny.
Do your thing. I know several people who are fully "vaxxed" that currently are sick with Covid. I was under the impression that a vaccine was supposed to stop one from catching a virus and spreading a virus. Got your booster yet? I actually am up to date on my vaccines.......just not my gene therapy. You "shamer's" that are so quick to label the opt-outs as anti-vaxxers are the funny ones.
2 dose mRNA vaccines after the first few months appear less effective at preventing mild delta covid, but still highly effective at preventing hospitalizations and death. It is and will be the gold standard of prevention. The data after a third dose given 6-12 months after initial vaccination demonstrates a significant boost to immunity.
Anyone not getting a vaccine who doesn’t have a medical contraindication is an idiot at best.
Then your "impression" was wrong. The vaccines are over 90% effective in keeping you from getting the virus. That's not 100% and was never expected to be 100%. What it does do very effective is keep you from getting extremely sick or being hospitalized if you do get it.
I don't understand why people are hoping that a vaccine isn't effective. What is your plan? It's the most counter intuitive thought process ever.
So I would go from not dying…….to really, really not dying? I am not hoping the vaccine doesn’t work . I’ve never stated such. I jut think there are readily available drugs (Ivermectin) that have proven to be highly effective. It’s a cheaper and safer option if treated early. I’m not considering the vaccine for numerous reasons . The main one being that I’ve already had Covid. It wasn’t fun but I am better and have antibodies. I also wouldn’t go out and get a flu vaccine after recovering from the flu. I also think your 90% number is going to be going way down . Breakthrough cases are rampant right now . At the end of the day I believe it should be everyone’s personal choice.
You do understand that the number is going down because it's a different strain? You also say that Ivermectin is proven to be highly effective, which isn't actually true or has been proven. It's also not approved for use for treating Covid, which makes me laugh that you want to use it,but all refuse the current vaccines as experimental when they are actually approved for use.
DHEC Analysis: Majority of COVID-19 Cases in July Among Those Who Are Not Fully Vaccinated
COLUMBIA, S.C. — Following an analysis that revealed more than 90 percent of COVID-19 cases and deaths in June and 86 percent of hospitalizations were among individuals who were not fully vaccinated, the South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control (DHEC) has determined similar findings for the month of July.
From July 1-31, DHEC reported 26,848 cases among South Carolinians.
- Among the 14,262 reported cases where we were able to determine vaccine status, 12,491 (88%) of cases were considered not fully vaccinated.
- Among the 550 reported cases who were hospitalized with COVID and where we were able to determine vaccine status, 424 (77%) were considered not fully vaccinated.
- Among the 110 reported deaths from COVID where vaccine status was able to be determined, 87 (79%) were considered not fully vaccinated.
“Obviously, we are seeing an increase in breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths for the month of July,” said Dr. Brannon Traxler, Public Health Director. “The rise of highly transmissible variants like Delta and lagging vaccination rates have led to increases in these categories overall, including breakthrough cases. But it is important to note that cases, hospitalizations, and deaths among fully vaccinated residents are still rare. And in most situations of breakthrough cases, the person has no symptoms or very mild ones that clear up in a matter of days.”
An individual is considered fully vaccinated 14 days or more after completing their second dose of Pfizer or Moderna, or their single dose of Janssen vaccine. It is important to note that breakthrough cases are expected with any type of vaccine. While vaccines can prevent catching a virus, the main goal of inoculation is preventing severe illness if the virus is contracted.
“Data still shows that vaccinations can end this pandemic if enough people are willing to roll up their sleeves,” Traxler added. “We are at the most crucial point yet in our fight against COVID-19. Our children are going back to school and more people are visiting businesses and attending large-scale events. We need everyone to unite for the same goal of stopping COVID-19 spread. That means getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and following other safety and health protocols.”
DHEC will continue releasing this provisional data every two weeks and can be found here. Additionally, DHEC is now tracking breakthrough cases on its website. That page can be found here.
DHEC strongly encourages every eligible person to get their COVID-19 vaccination as soon as possible, including people who already had COVID-19. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected.
Vaccines are available for ages 12 and up. Visit DHEC’s information page for more information on the vaccines, and the locator page to schedule a vaccine appointment.
Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19
After COVID-19 emerged on U.S shores, providers began reviewing the emerging basic science, translational, and clinical data to identify potentially effective treatment options. In addition, a multitude of both novel and repurposed therapeutic agents ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
If the percentage is going down because it is a different strain then why would they give a booster shot if the same exact thing? Third times a charm? What about the next strain? Who gives two shites about whether it’s “approved”for Covid. The same CDC, NIH, and WHO who has mate a complete shit show of this pandemic…….you need their approval? It is on the west essential drugs and it’s safer in his profile than Tylenol. There are multiple studies that prove it is effective.
I take it you don’t realize that if you get the flu vaccine you can still actually get the flu. The whole idea around a vaccine is that it lessens the symptoms from what you would experience if you did not have the vaccine. How does a grown adult not know this?
Actually it depends on which strain of the flu your vaccine was for. I opt out of that vaccine as well and have had the flu once in my adult life. I am not fat, have a robust immune system, excercise and I am below 80. All of those things also lessens the symptoms. WTF do you care if I don’t get the vaccine?
I don’t care at all who does and does not get the vaccine. It’s a personal choice for everyone.
In Greenwood, self hospital is requiring the vaccine so the dr don’t have too much of a choice. Not being argumentative at all. Just saying
You know there are things called “open house” right? Again if you read thru this post you’d see I’ve already said y’all are right I am wrong…you don’t need both side of information you guys just get to say your side and everyone else is wrong …but ya man you’re so right covid isn’t anything to worry about
I never said covid was nothing to worry about. I have had the vaccine. I am just tired of people throwing out crap like that. It is more the fault of the media(wherever you saw that info) putting out stuff that is either outright lies or without the whole truth to push their bias because they know people will just believe anything they say whether it is true or not.
Which is what I did, but didn't realize the guy I replied to had it backwards.
The definition of a vaccine is a substance that causes the body to produce antibodies to PREVENT a disease such as the flu. So if the COVID vaccine will still allow you to get COVID it is not a vaccine.
With the flu, there are several strains and if the vaccine makers guess wrong on which ones they should be vaccinating people for, you get an ineffective vaccine that may work as a therapeutic (sorta). That might be what is happening with Delta variant of COVID-19, but in that case it is not acting as a vaccine.
Dude - look up Australia. Parts of it are considering - or have implemented - some heavy restrictions.
More military personnel deployed to enforce Sydney Covid restrictions as entire state locks down | CNN
Additional Australian military personnel will be deployed to enforce tighter Covid-19 restrictions in the greater Sydney area next week, authorities announced Saturday, as the entire state of New South Wales (NSW) prepares to go under lockdown.
Scary part is it appears the military is being brought in to enforce these.
And New Zealand might be even worse:
New Zealand thrown into lockdown over single suspected Delta case
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern put New Zealand under strict lockdown on Tuesday after the country's first coronavirus case in six months was reported in the largest city of Auckland.
