Washington State fires head coach and 4 assistants for failure to vaccinate

[flotiger]

Go ahead and try to make that case, but I'm pretty sure that is just the J&J. It was researched using stem cell lines from the 80s. I don't think the mRNA vax are.

In fact, catholic hospitals are giving out vaccines and using monoclonal antibody treatments which used the same stem cell lines as the vaccine testing.

Catholic church has agreed with the vaccine. Friend who's a Deacon wouldn't get vaccinated until church said so.

 

[flotiger]

I don't agree with mandating someone to take a vaccine that by their own admission doesn't prevent you from getting the virus or spreading it. All it does is mitigate the effects of the virus if you "happen" to get it. If a person wears a mask (preventative) and is routinely tested or has had the virus and has anti-bodies (proved by testing) I don't understand the necessity of mandating the vaccine. People that have been infected and are no longer COVID Positive are better equipped to stop the spread than those who have taken the shot. My best guess is that we should follow the money regarding the Big Pharma / Federal Government push for vaccine as I do believe they are connected.

You didn't say much of anything that was true. You know that, right?

 

[Cavitybacks]

From an article in Slate:
There is—or more accurately, was—one notable exception: Nick Rolovich, the head coach that Washington State fired Monday after his monthslong refusal to take the shot. Rolovich was the only head coach among 130 Football Bowl Subdivision teams (and 32 NFL teams, for that matter) to acknowledge in public that he hadn’t gotten the vaccine. Rolovich had until this week to comply with Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s vaccine mandate for state employees. He applied for a religious exemption, which a committee reviewed blindly and provisionally approved. But Wazzu athletic director Pat Chun, after consulting with HR and safety officials, decided Rolovich could not perform his duties without threatening public safety. Chun fired Rolovich for cause, which could be the start of a legal saga between the coach and his former school.

Entire article - worth the read for the backstory.

Interesting. Personally, I think it's strange he didn't get vaxxed.

But, scientifically, I'm not sure there's any research to prove that he is putting the public (most of whom are vaxxed) at any extra risk by him not being vaxxed. Plenty of vaxxed people get covid, but with reduced symptoms.

 

[UptownRETiger]

Interesting. Personally, I think it's strange he didn't get vaxxed.

But, scientifically, I'm not sure there's any research to prove that he is putting the public (most of whom are vaxxed) at any extra risk by him not being vaxxed. Plenty of vaxxed people get covid, but with reduced symptoms.

Cost himself $3m.
And that's the thing with this particular case is that he never once came out and stated his case for not getting the shot. Didn't say why he filed for an exemption. Didn't say why he wouldn't get it. Just, nothing. Knowing yesterday was going to happen, you think he'd plead his case?

 

[CouldBeDabo]

I got the vax, but certainly have respect for anyone willing to make a sacrifice for something that they believe in that ardently.

I’ll be interested to know the legal fallout from it all.

 

[Willence]

There's two of you? 🙄

I guess so!

 

[midnightmzll]

From an article in Slate:
There is—or more accurately, was—one notable exception: Nick Rolovich, the head coach that Washington State fired Monday after his monthslong refusal to take the shot. Rolovich was the only head coach among 130 Football Bowl Subdivision teams (and 32 NFL teams, for that matter) to acknowledge in public that he hadn’t gotten the vaccine. Rolovich had until this week to comply with Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s vaccine mandate for state employees. He applied for a religious exemption, which a committee reviewed blindly and provisionally approved. But Wazzu athletic director Pat Chun, after consulting with HR and safety officials, decided Rolovich could not perform his duties without threatening public safety. Chun fired Rolovich for cause, which could be the start of a legal saga between the coach and his former school.

Entire article - worth the read for the backstory.

He is going to get paid to go away. Assuming he has the money to pay the lawyers, this will drag on for a long time since we don't have good precedent to go off.

Pretty clear the AD wanted him gone with the BS about public safety.

 

[Willence]

But Wazzu athletic director Pat Chun, after consulting with HR and safety officials, decided Rolovich could not perform his duties without threatening public safety. Chun fired Rolovich for cause, which could be the start of a legal saga between the coach and his former school.

In other words, the AD saw a chance to get rid of a coach he may not have wanted any longer and took it. Exploit the situation for the win because the whole threatening public safety thing is just a big lie.

 

[metalman82]

You didn't say much of anything that was true. You know that, right?

You believe what you want. It should be a personal choice as it is their body. FYI, I CHOSE to be vaccinated. I did so because I felt it was the right thing to do for ME. I don't have the right to make a choice for you or any other adult that has the ability to make their own decisions. It should never be MANDATED.

 

[UptownRETiger]

In other words, the AD saw a chance to get rid of a coach he may not have wanted any longer and took it. Exploit the situation for the win because the whole threatening public safety thing is just a big lie.

I have no clue if that's what happened or not. Wasn't privy to those conversations.

 

[yoshi121374]

You believe what you want. It should be a personal choice as it is their body. FYI, I CHOSE to be vaccinated. I did so because I felt it was the right thing to do for ME. I don't have the right to make a choice for you or any other adult that has the ability to make their own decisions. It should never be MANDATED.

Unless it's a choice that you don't agree with such as abortion right?

 

[yoshi121374]

People who are anti Covid vax keep trying to act like it's not an effective vax or shouldn't be mandated since it isn't 100% effective. You folks do know none of the current vaccines that are mandated are 100% effective right? The measles vax is like 96% effective, the reason measles has largely been irradicated is due to a mandate so there are far less people who have measles going around spreading it.

 

[yoshi121374]

Plenty of private companies following suit. Dude was a leader doing the right thing.

give it time, fascism never ages well.

You don't know what fascism means do you?

 

[StSimonsIslandTiger]

I don't agree with mandating someone to take a vaccine that by their own admission doesn't prevent you from getting the virus or spreading it. All it does is mitigate the effects of the virus if you "happen" to get it. If a person wears a mask (preventative) and is routinely tested or has had the virus and has anti-bodies (proved by testing) I don't understand the necessity of mandating the vaccine. People that have been infected and are no longer COVID Positive are better equipped to stop the spread than those who have taken the shot. My best guess is that we should follow the money regarding the Big Pharma / Federal Government push for vaccine as I do believe they are connected.

Physician here.

Covid vaccines dramatically lower your chance of catching or spreading the illness.

The vaccines lower your chances by about 9 times of being hospitalized or dying of Covid since the vaccines became available and by 29-30 times this summer with delta variant.

Vaccines are dramatically more effective than masks or distancing at preventing disease spread. Not comparable.

People who have been vaccinated have stronger immunity than those previously infected. Previously infected are twice as likely to get reinfected than the vaccinated. Those infected and then vaccinated 3-6 months later have "super immunity", the strongest of all.

More vaccination gets us to a stronger economy quicker and saves money and lives.

Having said all that, I am not crazy about mandates and believe there is a place for choice and freedom. I just wish more would intelligently choose vaccination.

 

[metalman82]

Unless it's a choice that you don't agree with such as abortion right?

I am pro life. However, I understand that women have the right to abort a pregnancy. I may not agree with it but it is her right to choose. I do have to ask, who is advocating for the fetus and/or the unborn child?

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

You don't know what fascism means do you?

Why don’t we both define it. I’ll go first.

fascism is when the government takes control of the private sector. Example. Nazi Germany was considered fascist because they controlled private businesses. Socialist used the private sector as proof that Nazi’s weren’t “true” socialist.

So based on the definition pre covid, when the government takes control of private businesses because of a “pandemic” that would = fascism.

your turn to define.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Do you actually understand the stuff you say?

I do. And my definitions haven’t changed after a 2020 like most people.

do you have any credible argument to forced vaccination should be required to work?

 

[dpic73]

You believe what you want. It should be a personal choice as it is their body. FYI, I CHOSE to be vaccinated. I did so because I felt it was the right thing to do for ME. I don't have the right to make a choice for you or any other adult that has the ability to make their own decisions. It should never be MANDATED.

I didn't get vaccinated ONLY for me. It was just as important to me to do it for others, whether they were vaxxed or not because I want this sh*t to end.

 

[yoshi121374]

I am pro life. However, I understand that women have the right to abort a pregnancy. I may not agree with it but it is her right to choose. I do have to ask, who is advocating for the fetus and/or the unborn child?

Of course. I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion ...

 

[metalman82]

Of course. I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion ...

Anyone who owns and operates an abortion clinic................

 

[yoshi121374]

Anyone who owns and operates an abortion clinic................

You know that clinics that perform abortions also providw many other services?

 

[Willence]

Unless it's a choice that you don't agree with such as abortion right?

We don't get to choose to murder a person. My gosh you have some real doozies from time to time. I almost wonder if you share your account with another person. Or it could just be public education wearing off on you. (Jk)

 

[metalman82]

You know that clinics that perform abortions also providw many other services?

What's your point? They provide abortions therefore they are PRO-Abortion.

 

[iceheart08]

I am pro life. However, I understand that women have the right to abort a pregnancy. I may not agree with it but it is her right to choose. I do have to ask, who is advocating for the fetus and/or the unborn child?

Texas

 

[AugTig]

Physician here.

Covid vaccines dramatically lower your chance of catching or spreading the illness.

The vaccines lower your chances by about 9 times of being hospitalized or dying of Covid since the vaccines became available and by 29-30 times this summer with delta variant.

Vaccines are dramatically more effective than masks or distancing at preventing disease spread. Not comparable.

People who have been vaccinated have stronger immunity than those previously infected. Previously infected are twice as likely to get reinfected than the vaccinated. Those infected and then vaccinated 3-6 months later have "super immunity", the strongest of all.

More vaccination gets us to a stronger economy quicker and saves money and lives.

Having said all that, I am not crazy about mandates and believe there is a place for choice and freedom. I just wish more would intelligently choose vaccination.

@StSimonsIslandTiger, thank you for sharing. How often do you see/hear about people that had Covid, got vaccinated and got Covid again with symptoms being a lot worse the second time. I felt like I should have been super immune but I’m just now on the other side of Covid and it was awful this go around. Thankfully, I got the monoclonal antibodies, hydroxychl, etc. I believe that kept me out of the hospital. However, I wouldn’t have taken the vaccine if not mandated. and I’m not convinced that it helped.

 

[iceheart08]

Why don’t we both define it. I’ll go first.

fascism is when the government takes control of the private sector. Example. Nazi Germany was considered fascist because they controlled private businesses. Socialist used the private sector as proof that Nazi’s weren’t “true” socialist.

So based on the definition pre covid, when the government takes control of private businesses because of a “pandemic” that would = fascism.

your turn to define.

this isn't even close to the definition of fascism.

nazi Germany was considered fascist because it was ruled by a dictator who controlled almost all aspects of citizens' lives while promoting intense nationalistic policies and politics, that includes an economy designed to be self-sufficient. Some fascist governments have seized control of individual businesses and the entire economic sector, some have simply set policies and enforced them with an iron fist.

For contrast, communism necessarily requires government control and seizure of the entirety of the private sector, there is no longer a private sector in countries that have adopted communism as an economic system, those businesses only exist to benefit the state.

 

[TigerGrowls]

And that's a fair question.
But there was a mandate and consequence set forth nearly two months ago. Folks can hate the mandate, but it was made and was to be followed. Or, as a state employee, you would be relieved of your duties. I'm just not going to be calling Rolo a hero here.

The mandate was not binding or had any lawful orders behind it. It was just China Joe mumbling at the podium in between his ice cream breaks. Govt leaders and private business leaders though made the decision to act on his speech anyway even though there is nothing behind it unless he just became King Joe.

BIDEN’S SO-CALLED VACCINE MANDATE That Jeopardizes Millions of Jobs Doesn’t Exist..."It’s All A Mirage" | The Gateway Pundit | by Patty McMurray

Americans against the COVID jab are panicking, as the tyrannical Biden regime demands employers with 100 or more employees threaten their workers with taking away their ability to pay their mortgage or put food on their table unless they submit to the jab.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[BasedCamp]

A thread about a head football coach getting fired gets moved to the Round Table? What is this board coming to...

 

[TigerGrowls]

Physician here.

Covid vaccines dramatically lower your chance of catching or spreading the illness.

The vaccines lower your chances by about 9 times of being hospitalized or dying of Covid since the vaccines became available and by 29-30 times this summer with delta variant.

Vaccines are dramatically more effective than masks or distancing at preventing disease spread. Not comparable.

People who have been vaccinated have stronger immunity than those previously infected. Previously infected are twice as likely to get reinfected than the vaccinated. Those infected and then vaccinated 3-6 months later have "super immunity", the strongest of all.

More vaccination gets us to a stronger economy quicker and saves money and lives.

Having said all that, I am not crazy about mandates and believe there is a place for choice and freedom. I just wish more would intelligently choose vaccination.

Please reconcile your statement regarding vaxed immunity compared to natural immunity when there is differing info out there. The Israel study states that natural immunity is much better than vaxed immunity.

Please also comment on your statement that vaxed persons only have mild covid symptoms when a relatively large number of fully vaxed people are dying from covid still.

Study: Natural immunity 'stronger, longer' than vaccine immunity

New Israeli study shows recovered patients tended to have better outcomes than vaccine alone - though vaccine can enhance natural immunity.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

this isn't even close to the definition of fascism.

nazi Germany was considered fascist because it was ruled by a dictator who controlled almost all aspects of citizens' lives while promoting intense nationalistic policies and politics, that includes an economy designed to be self-sufficient. Some fascist governments have seized control of individual businesses and the entire economic sector, some have simply set policies and enforced them with an iron fist.

For contrast, communism necessarily requires government control and seizure of the entirety of the private sector, there is no longer a private sector in countries that have adopted communism as an economic system, those businesses only exist to benefit the state.

How can you function in NYC without a forced vaccination?

Chicago is trying to deny retirement benefits to cops who won’t get the shot. socialism becomes fascism after the pathetic sheep realize you have to force people to comply. Polices so good that you have to be threatened with death to comply.

wake up dude. I’m willing to lose everything I have because I’m healthy and refuse to bend the knee to big pharma. Y’all are fascist because you can’t just live with your shitty vaccine. You have to go after anyone that doesn’t want to suck off the government.

my stance remains the same. History isn’t kind to fascist. I’m willing to die on this hill. I hope you sheep are ready to start murdering innocent people.

read a history book. As a Jew I never understood how Germans were tricked to hate… covid has taught me a lot.

 

[PawsFan_]

I don't understand. Where did these mandates come from. We were promised there wouldn't be any.

Joe Biden: Covid vaccination in US will not be mandatory

It comes as the Centers for Disease Control urges "universal mask use" anywhere outside the home.

www.bbc.com

 

[metalman82]

I don't understand. Where did these mandates come from. We were promised there wouldn't be any.

Joe Biden: Covid vaccination in US will not be mandatory

It comes as the Centers for Disease Control urges "universal mask use" anywhere outside the home.

www.bbc.com

Are you suggesting that he lied to get votes? Say it ain't so. I feel sorry for the people that bought his shtick. They were DUPED.

 

[dpic73]

Are you suggesting that he lied to get votes? Say it ain't so. I feel sorry for the people that bought his shtick. They were DUPED.

I'm quite sure the people who voted for him don't feel duped at all and are ok with the mandates. What he/we assumed in Dec 2020 when he made this statement was that the majority of Americans would be smart enough to do the right thing without having a mandate.

 

[WapPride]

I take pride in my leadership abilities. The majority of my employees would quit if forced to vaccinate. I’d be there leading them on the walk out.

it’s about doing what’s right even when it cost you everything. I’m willing to die on this hill. You can take my job, my income, and my entire way of life. I won’t stop until a fed comes into my house to kill me.

lol i love this kind of liberty porn you types constantly crow about

 

[dual_tiger]

You didn't say much of anything that was true. You know that, right?

What exactly did he say that wasn’t true?

 

[dual_tiger]

I'm quite sure the people who voted for him don't feel duped at all and are ok with the mandates. What he/we assumed in Dec 2020 when he made this statement was that the majority of Americans would be smart enough to do the right thing without having a mandate.

You’re quite sure huh? What is his current approval rating again? Not so sure you should be making such bold statements given the current circumstances.

 

[dual_tiger]

Physician here.

Covid vaccines dramatically lower your chance of catching or spreading the illness.

The vaccines lower your chances by about 9 times of being hospitalized or dying of Covid since the vaccines became available and by 29-30 times this summer with delta variant.

Vaccines are dramatically more effective than masks or distancing at preventing disease spread. Not comparable.

People who have been vaccinated have stronger immunity than those previously infected. Previously infected are twice as likely to get reinfected than the vaccinated. Those infected and then vaccinated 3-6 months later have "super immunity", the strongest of all.

More vaccination gets us to a stronger economy quicker and saves money and lives.

Having said all that, I am not crazy about mandates and believe there is a place for choice and freedom. I just wish more would intelligently choose vaccination.

Is this what you are experiencing at your practice? I just spoke with my doctor a month ago about this very subject. In his practice he has seen twice as many vaccinated contract Covid than those with previous infected without vaccination. This was more in line with what the Israel study was reporting.

 

[dpic73]

You’re quite sure huh? What is his current approval rating again? Not so sure you should be making such bold statements given the current circumstances.

I'm quite sure you know everything but I can promise you his current approval rating has nothing to do with him saying he wouldn't implement a mandate in December.

 

[metalman82]

I'm quite sure the people who voted for him don't feel duped at all and are ok with the mandates. What he/we assumed in Dec 2020 when he made this statement was that the majority of Americans would be smart enough to do the right thing without having a mandate.

They don't even know what the right thing is. Hell they can't even follow their own science.

I'm quite sure you know everything but I can promise you his current approval rating has nothing to do with him saying he wouldn't implement a mandate in December.

The biggest reason his approval rankings are tanking is because of the piss poor job he has done with everything he has touched. This brain trust of an administration has been so hell bent on reversing the Trump policies that they failed to realize that the policies were sound and better for the American Public. Tweaking them would have been acceptable but to reverse them and then have the issues blow up in their faces is outright stupidity. Just goes to show that a majority of the people vote by way of emotion and don't really consider (or care about) the issues unless they have a direct effect.

 

[dual_tiger]

I'm quite sure you know everything but I can promise you his current approval rating has nothing to do with him saying he wouldn't implement a mandate in December.

Never claimed to know everything. You are the one making grand absolute statements. Numbers show that a rather large number of the unvaccinated are within the African American community. Who do you think a majority of this group voted for? It isn’t a stretch to say this group wouldn’t be too happy about that type of mandate.