oh come on. Try removing the stick from your ass. You'll see it's actually quite funny. Or be miserable. That's fine too.
What is going on here? What Restaurant in Clemson?
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That knowledge kinda sticks in your mind.
I learned it from "Uberfacts" on Twitter, BTW.
I don’t know this officer but I wanted to share his thoughts.
Hahaha. And you know my level of intelligence. Do we know each other? Just curious.
I don’t know this officer but I wanted to share his thoughts.
love it or leave it!
Hard to wrap my mind around what that guy is saying.
What's somehow easily forgotten: Back in June, Clemson's football players met with Clemson's police chief. He actually spoke at (and participated in) the peaceful demonstration, if I'm not mistaken.
In addition, the most recent statement from CFP players (led by Trevor Lawrence) specifically includes trying to help their communities, and fostering understanding, through regular conversations with local police.
What the SC highway patrolman is saying makes no sense.
Hard to wrap my mind around what that guy is saying.
What's somehow easily forgotten: Back in June, Clemson's football players met with Clemson's police chief. He actually spoke at (and participated in) the peaceful demonstration, if I'm not mistaken.
In addition, the most recent statement from CFP players (led by Trevor Lawrence) specifically includes trying to help their communities, and fostering understanding, through regular conversations with local police.
What the SC highway patrolman is saying makes no sense.
Unfortunately this is politically charged issue, and cops are political like everyone else. There is no middle ground anymore. You either support BLM or you support police. Truth is, you really can do both.
The labeling of BLM as a marxist terrorist group has been overblown by the right wing media. I keep asking people on this site to show me proof of these things, so far I have yet to see any real, compelling evidence.
I fully support the players in what they are doing.
FROM JACKSON FAMILY MINISTRIES
My family has been supportive of Clemson University for three generations. My father and five of his brothers attended Clemson as did I and many of my first cousins. A photo of my Uncle Scott hung in Fike Fieldhouse for years as he was co-captain of his football team and an all ACC tight end at Clemson. We have loved and supported Clemson academics and athletics. My wife and I jokingly call our former homeschool/playroom the Clemson Room where we hung and placed all of our Clemson memorabilia.
However, today I am sorely disappointed and ashamed of my alma mater. You all probably know why as the pictures of Clemson helmets made the rounds on social media. It is unclear to me whether the stickers on those helmets were actually on them during the game, but it doesn't matter – the damage is done. Of course, some people have attempted to rationalize the athletes applying those stickers and some just don't think it is a big deal, but I have been troubled by it.
Now I'm pretty sure Coach Swinney does not support Marxism nor do many, if any, of his players. Nevertheless, by allowing the Black Lives Matter logo to be applied to a helmet at a tax-payer-funded school smacks of capitulation. He is capitulating to the social pressures of the day along with his student athletes who are being swept away in the tide of political correctness.
No doubt they would not allow the students to put a Christian symbol on the back of their helmets, which would make the vast majority of Clemson supporters extremely happy, nor would they allow the rebel flag to be put on the helmets, which would also make lots of southerners happy.
So why should they allow the symbol of an organization co-founded by Patrisse Cullors, who called herself and the other founders "trained Marxists" in 2015? Indeed, Cullors is the "protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and she spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview."
OK, so we saw the pictures of Trump holding up his fist as a symbol of triumph (I've done the same thing), and the other pictures we can all find on the internet of the upheld fist (including the Olympic athletes in 1968 and the Black Panthers, also a socialist organization founded by Marxist college students), but let's not fool ourselves. Black Lives Matters purposefully chose the "black clenched fist of 'Power to the People' symbolizing the mob violence of international Marxism." In recent weeks we have had ample evidence of this violence, wholesale destruction, and terrorism, and now we're honoring them by putting their symbol on college students' football helmets??
Clemson – you can do better. Institutions of higher learning like Clemson should be committed to teaching the truth about history and political organizations like BLM.
All of us are opposed to injustice of any stripe involving any ethnic group, including that perpetrated on the unborn. However, BLM which is anti-nuclear family, anti-Christian, anti-American, and anti-Constitution does not fairly represent any true American of any ethnic group. It only represents the socialists who are intent on destroying the things that most of us hold dear.
The symbol of BLM has no place on any item of a tax-funded state institution and is the very antithesis of freedom. In fact, we would go so far as to say nothing belongs on a college football helmet except the college logo.
#jfm #robert #carlotta #clemsonuniversity #helmets #alllivesmatter
My family has been supportive of Clemson University for three generations. My father and five of his brothers attended Clemson as did I and many of my first cousins. A photo of my Uncle Scott hung in Fike Fieldhouse for years as he was co-captain of his football team and an all ACC tight end at Clemson. We have loved and supported Clemson academics and athletics. My wife and I jokingly call our former homeschool/playroom the Clemson Room where we hung and placed all of our Clemson memorabilia.
However, today I am sorely disappointed and ashamed of my alma mater. You all probably know why as the pictures of Clemson helmets made the rounds on social media. It is unclear to me whether the stickers on those helmets were actually on them during the game, but it doesn't matter – the damage is done. Of course, some people have attempted to rationalize the athletes applying those stickers and some just don't think it is a big deal, but I have been troubled by it.
Now I'm pretty sure Coach Swinney does not support Marxism nor do many, if any, of his players. Nevertheless, by allowing the Black Lives Matter logo to be applied to a helmet at a tax-payer-funded school smacks of capitulation. He is capitulating to the social pressures of the day along with his student athletes who are being swept away in the tide of political correctness.
No doubt they would not allow the students to put a Christian symbol on the back of their helmets, which would make the vast majority of Clemson supporters extremely happy, nor would they allow the rebel flag to be put on the helmets, which would also make lots of southerners happy.
So why should they allow the symbol of an organization co-founded by Patrisse Cullors, who called herself and the other founders "trained Marxists" in 2015? Indeed, Cullors is the "protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and she spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview."
OK, so we saw the pictures of Trump holding up his fist as a symbol of triumph (I've done the same thing), and the other pictures we can all find on the internet of the upheld fist (including the Olympic athletes in 1968 and the Black Panthers, also a socialist organization founded by Marxist college students), but let's not fool ourselves. Black Lives Matters purposefully chose the "black clenched fist of 'Power to the People' symbolizing the mob violence of international Marxism." In recent weeks we have had ample evidence of this violence, wholesale destruction, and terrorism, and now we're honoring them by putting their symbol on college students' football helmets??
Clemson – you can do better. Institutions of higher learning like Clemson should be committed to teaching the truth about history and political organizations like BLM.
All of us are opposed to injustice of any stripe involving any ethnic group, including that perpetrated on the unborn. However, BLM which is anti-nuclear family, anti-Christian, anti-American, and anti-Constitution does not fairly represent any true American of any ethnic group. It only represents the socialists who are intent on destroying the things that most of us hold dear.
The symbol of BLM has no place on any item of a tax-funded state institution and is the very antithesis of freedom. In fact, we would go so far as to say nothing belongs on a college football helmet except the college logo.
#jfm #robert #carlotta #clemsonuniversity #helmets #alllivesmatter
i'm enjoying a bunch of middle aged white people from the country trying to explain how a bunch of black athletes from across the nation who are under 21 feel about a certain topic and how they don't understand what they're supporting.
Would like to see some authentic documentation of these two claims:
"Black Lives Matters purposefully chose the "black clenched fist of 'Power to the People' symbolizing the mob violence of international Marxism."
BLM which is anti-nuclear family, anti-Christian, anti-American, and anti-Constitution does not fairly represent any true American of any ethnic group.
The raised fist has been generally associated with revolution throughout history: the capitalist french revolution and the marxist bolshevik revolution. More recently though it has been associated with both black power and white power movements. I dont think marxism should get exclusive rights.
What amazes me is the same people that argue that there is nothing racist about the confederate flag also argue that the fist is absolutely, most definitely marxist.
What I'm not totally understanding is that in June at the peaceful demonstration there was BLM insignia all over the place, including the fist. It was hailed by the vast majority as a great event.
The players' message now is the same as it was then. Yet only now is the program being savaged by fans for selling out to a terrorist organization.
I want to flip this script a little. I fully agree with you that business owners can and should expect backlash when they put their beliefs front and center. Its not many that can provide a service so good that people mostly don't care about their personal beliefs (CFA and Starbucks come to mind).
But why don't we expect that pros and professional leagues shouldn't face the same reactions? A professional player is basically an independent contractor/sole proprietor. An NFL team is 53 individual business organizations in partnership. A league is really nothing more than an association of individuals. If is expected that a business owner to (rightly) face consequences from their customers for their public statements, then why are folks surprised when customers (fans) force consequences on "Lebron James Inc?" A professional player is doing nothing more than selling their talents in the form of TV viewership and endorsed merchandise to the buying public (fans). Fans booing MLS players on a knee, fans turning off the NFL is no different than reviewers giving bad/fake yelp reviews to a restaurant.
Why is it wrong to tell Lebron James to "shut up and dribble" but telling a restaurant owner to "shut up and cook" is ok? One form of cancel culture is expected and folks are fine with mob rule, the other form of cancel culture is an outrage and a negative reflection on the customer (fan) and not the business (player).
But make no mistake, not watching a professional league because of politics is the same cancel culture that the same folks generally find offensive when applied to say, Chick Fil A not getting a franchise on a campus or airport. Just opposite sides of the same coin.
Respectfully, I think the difference here (and what bothers me) is a member of the Clemson community is quick to lash out at beloved, central figures in his community (football players) for being unintelligent because some of them have chosen to put a sticker on their helmets.
And I'm going to need some convincing that such an act by the players qualifies as a political statement.
Here's what I wonder about: Did the restaurant owner pitch a fit in June when the players held a peaceful demonstration that was celebrated by the large majority of people, and one that featured some of the same BLM insignia that is now enraging him and others?
I'm not telling the restaurant owner to shut up and cook. I'm suggesting that maybe a member of this community, a former Clemson city councilman and current restaurant owner who is asking the community for its business, should maybe show half of the grace these players have shown as they have navigated truly difficult times and issues.
Maybe he could, like, give them a little benefit of the doubt before publicly suggesting they are unintelligent.
Maybe try to reach out to the football program to try to learn more about their reasoning/thought process.
Or maybe just say you respectfully but firmly disagree with them and leave it at that.
In June, I don't remember many people saying Clemson's players were endorsing terrorism, Marxism and the destruction fo the nuclear family. Now it seems that's why people are bailing on their team and calling out these players in public for being idiots.
I am not a Clemson fanatic because my job forbids it. But I am a member of this community and I am protective of it. I also feel protective of these kids who have handled all this in a most exemplary way.
You'd best believe that with 150-plus people in a football building that a lot of the same disagreements/differences that exist in the outside world have existed within those walls.
But somehow, all those people have managed to set aside those differences and love each other and be unified moving forward. Somehow they have intentionally arrived at a consensus to NOT make it political.
In my opinion, they set a great example that a lot of us should try emulating. Including the restaurant owner.
He is totally free to spout off whatever he wants to spout off. But I'm free to say shame on him and others who can't give these players -- YOUR players -- the benefit of some doubts.
Don't misunderstand, @CUFam98: That's not directed at you specifically.
You're being intentionally obtuse here, imho. And I don't mean that as an insult in any way. I simply mean... it is pretty clear to see imho, though maybe not easy to say.
In June, we all needed Dabo to get the racist stigma off our team and coaching staff. The rally did that, so it was applauded. It was also not televised, nor did most fans have a dog in the fight that day other than righting the Clemson recruiting ship. This was on the player's time and didn't affect anyone in the stands, so even the ones who didn't like it just looked the other way or bragged on Dabo for how his group handled it.
Now, football is back and ain't nobody got time for that. People feel conflicted that their favorite players are now standing for something, during the games, that some fans don't agree with. On "company time". Also, the good cops are rightly pissed and jaded currently, so they are posting a lot of this stuff. So many people are backing the blue over this group, even if the two are somewhat mutually exclusive.
I think that's the difference. If the players rallied again today... most wouldn't have an issue. But mess with those Saturdays and here we are. Just my two cents.
I'm being intentionally slow to understand/insensitive to the notion that people don't want the football team to mess with their Saturdays by putting stickers on their helmets?
I mean, I think that's the baseline premise here.
Why is it wrong to tell Lebron James to "shut up and dribble" but telling a restaurant owner to "shut up and cook" is ok? One form of cancel culture is expected and folks are fine with mob rule, the other form of cancel culture is an outrage and a negative reflection on the customer (fan) and not the business (player).
Let me flip it again... isnt the restaurant owner essentially telling the players to shut up and play?
And I don't think Larry told the owner to "shut up and cook"? Larry was just pointing out that for a restaurant desperate for patronage in the clemson community, calling clemson players stupid for expressing their own beleifs probably isnt a good idea.
On the Lebron thing, the real backlash on that fox news "shut up and dribble" comment came a month later when the same fox personality was quick defend Drew Brees for saying people should not kneel for the anthem. Why should Lebron shut up but Brees should be celebrated for sharing his own beliefs? She was either being racist or essentially saying that it is only OK for athletes to express their own beliefs if she agrees with them.
Yes. During the time they donate to and pay for, they don’t want stickers signifying an organization they don’t agree with. It’s not some indefensible stance imho. I don’t necessarily agree, but yes, I do think it should be fairly easy to understand where they are.
I'm fully comprehensive of why people are upset, choosing to bail on their team, calling them stupid, etc.
One possible disconnect is the perception that BLM is anti-police. I don't know that this stance is 100% true or supported by evidence. Remember - any knucklehead can make a "Black Lives Matter" sign in their garage and start waving it around.
The other thing people forget regarding Clemson and Dabo - that ties in - is that Dabo's brother is a former police officer. So of course he is conflicted when we start bashing police and using the broad brush. Which is happening A LOT.
Depending on who you ask, Dabo didn't go far enough and that Dabo is a closet racist or something. People like Bomani Jones.
Personally I believe the people saying that are a bunch of fvcking idiots.
The first post I quoted clearly said you didn’t understand. Guess I misinterpreted “what I don’t understand is...”
I am aware of what the position is. I don’t comprehend the reasoning/logic behind it.
I can't go into his mind on that or previous statements or non-statements. I'm not in Clemson so I don't even know the restaurant, its history or even the timing of the post. The post also mentioned NFL and Collegiate players. If that post was made during the WFU game it has a different meaning and targeting different people than Monday after the NFL games. Either way, I'm sure at least part of the genesis of the FB post was Clemson so I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment.
But I want to make a distinction, I did specifically reference repercussions to PROFESSIONAL athletes. They are business units. Their fans are customers and it is largely a transactional relationship. Professional placekicker misses a chip shot win the Super Bowl, fire his ass.
Fans don't have the same economic relationship with amateur athletes. I DONATE to them. I have to buy "seat licenses" to get to NFL games just like software licenses to use excel. Pro athletes are measured by how much financial value they bring to an organization. Amateurs are measured by how much reputational prestige they bring to an organization. Pollyanna....maybe, but let me keep that distinction in my mind. Its how I justfiy keeping non-productive players on full scholarship until they graduate. But more importantly its how I justify giving to IPTAY to support all athletics even in down years for the sports I really care about!
Because of the difference in fan/customer relationship, I don't think you can have the same reaction to amateur athletes that state their beliefs publicly. I believe that there is a fine balance as a leader of collegiate players between allowing them to speak and speak from emotion but also time to ask them to wait so you can educate them about context and potential perceptions. If Dabo sat down with team leaders and said something to the effect of "I'm going to support your decisions, but let me tell you how this demonstration/sticker/award speech might be received so you can be prepared for the questions and reaction" then I'm fine with it, even if I disagree with their decision or symbolism.
I don't 100% agree with what Rencher, and Lawrence and others have stated over the last 6 months. I don't 100% agree with an athlete like Tebow that was over the top religious and conservative. I've said on here that Darrien Rencher might be the most influential role player in the history of college football. Thats more because of the WAY he's made his statements and less about the statements he's made. But I'm also going to grade them on a curve because they are ultimately just 18-22 year old men. Fair or unfair, I'm not giving that same leeway and benefit of the doubt to the NFL player.
Uh...yeah.
Hence the last statement in my post. "But make no mistake, not watching a professional league because of politics is the same cancel culture that the same folks generally find offensive when applied to say, Chick Fil A not getting a franchise on a campus or airport. Just opposite sides of the same coin. "
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