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You need to smoke a joint, for real.You really think that makes your point for you? First of all he completely mischaracterized comments made by Trump which were idiotic on their own. There's really no need to change or alter them. Secondly Dr McKary was very clear on exactly what he was saying but they don't want to listen and they don't have an answer so instead they go to the Trump playbook. Again.
You need to smoke a joint, for real.
This is where I call you a POS because you deserve it. Hundreds of thousands of people died needlessly because of Trump pushing back against the scientists and downplaying the virus according to Dr Birx. I saw anecdotal evidence that confirmed this with many stories about people relaying their loved ones died because they listened to Trump. They refused to take any precautions because he said it was no big deal, it would go away in April, it was a Democratic hoax etc..We botched COVID. We politicized it. We went at each other over it and left nothing but wreckage in our wake. There were a lot of doctors and experts that needed to be in the room talking about this that weren't. President Trump absolutely botched the beginning of this. He never should have trusted Fauci or Francis Collins. Massive mistake that cost a lot of lives. We need to make sure that that never happens again.
This is where I call you a POS because you deserve it. Hundreds of thousands of people died needlessly because of Trump pushing back against the scientists and downplaying the virus according to Dr Birx. I saw anecdotal evidence that confirmed this with many stories about people relaying their loved ones died because they listened to Trump. They refused to take any precautions because he said it was no big deal, it would go away in April, it was a Democratic hoax etc..
Then add in the hydroxywhatthe****, "try it, what do you have to lose?" the shining the light inside your body, the inject disinfectant bullshit and shit tons of other misinformation and Fauci had his hands full trying to push back against all the insanity of those days. How dare you blame him for the extra deaths when without his willingness to speak up, there could have been many more. You are pathetic!
Trump White House COVID-19 coordinator Deborah Birx says most deaths could have been avoided
The former White House COVID-19 coordinator said most coronavirus deaths after the first wave "could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."www.usatoday.com
Kristin Urquiza, whose father died from Covid, condemns Trump in DNC speech
Urquiza said her father, Mark Anthony Urquiza, voted for Trump and listened to his efforts to downplay viruswww.theguardian.com
Wow your damn self, how dare you blame the epidemioligist that had to suffer through that shitstorm instead of the guy who spun it up. Do you have a conscience?Wow. You do you man.
Some of the stuff Trump said was totally outlandish. To say he killed hundreds of thousands of people is flat insane. And also, people like Dr. Birx were wrong about more than they were right about. Time is shown that to be the case because this whole mess got politicized from the beginning by all sides. Kind of like candidates Biden and Harris saying they may not take a vaccine developed under Trump as though he were the one developing it. You do a lot of circumstantial reading of events which is to say you're just another part of the problem. I know I'll never change your mind so just have fun in your world.
It’s specifically labeled opinion.Wilience post facts.
You call names.
The fact that you think are examples of small government in the last 50+ years shows your ignorance.
Wow your damn self, how dare you blame the epidemioligist that had to suffer through that shitstorm instead of the guy who spun it up. Do you have a conscience?
And there you go lying again about what Harris and Biden said. Don't tell me your attacks aren't politically motivated when you don't give two shits about accuracy. Listen to her words and I'll wait for your apology!
Two things:Yes he is. I don't even like him or agree with his views on almost anything. The study that he referred to is what I am talking about.
Here are two separate links. One is to an article talking about the findings is in the other is to the actual findings themselves. Hopefully that will get you past your objection which was pointless when considering the actual data that we're discussing.
Approximately Zero
Masks make no difference in reducing the spread of Covid, according to an extensive new review.www.city-journal.org
Two things:
1. The article explicitly states that a reason the mandates didn't work was because of people's inability to wear them correctly/wear the correct masks.
2. The study itself says "The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions."
So anyone coming out with a definitive answer and citing this study is purposefully misrepresenting the data concluded in the study.
Ehh, it's not an intricate process. it's wearing it properly vs wearing it around your mouth and not your nose, wearing a dirty one and not replacing them as often as they should, etc. I'm not going to sit here and defend some of the suggestions that were thrown out by medical professionals/gov't officials early on during the pandemic to try and curb the spread. cloth masks clearly minimize water vapor being expelled during talking/breathing/etc, but they aren't great at preventing air transmission.Your first point makes the argument. It is a intricate process to put on a medically certified mask like doctors wear. People in the general public are not really capable of doing that and it's an extremely uncomfortable process wearing a mask like that for most people. It doesn't matter whether it's ill-fitting masks or the mask just not working. We were told that cloth masks were okay. There was just so much misleading information and information that was not accurate and people knew it. We can get into the semantics of it but the reality is the masking didn't have any effect and that's what's been documented. Would a correctly worn N95 mask help? Probably but that isn't what we were dealing with.
Ehh, it's not an intricate process. it's wearing it properly vs wearing it around your mouth and not your nose, wearing a dirty one and not replacing them as often as they should, etc. I'm not going to sit here and defend some of the suggestions that were thrown out by medical professionals/gov't officials early on during the pandemic to try and curb the spread. cloth masks clearly minimize water vapor being expelled during talking/breathing/etc, but they aren't great at preventing air transmission.
You "should" know better than this but you're being disingenuous again. That heavily edited video, taken out of context is proof you don't care about accuracy. Everyone knows what they meant - Trump was pressuring the FDA to approve the vaccine BEFORE the election and that's what they were referring to. They weren't going to take it if the FDA buckled to his pressure campaign before safety trials had completed.Biden, Seizing on Worries of a Rushed Vaccine, Warns Trump Can’t Be Trusted (Published 2020)
Thrusting the issue of a coronavirus vaccine to the center of the campaign, Joe Biden said he trusted vaccines, but not a politicized development process. His comments came as the president publicly rebuked the top federal scientist.www.nytimes.com
the CDC recommended cloth masks in March/April of 2020, and then changed that many months later after more data came out that showed COVID was an aerosol transmission (i think it was Oct/Nov of 2020). I'm not going to be upset with them about making a health suggestion with the information known at the time, and then changing that once more information became available. That's how the scientific process is supposed to work.Especially with the size of the virus. It just went through those cloth masks. A properly fit mask needs to create the best "seal" possible with a person's face, chin, nose and cheeks. Without that, it's pretty much useless. The stuff we were wearing was never going to really do that. It created a false sense of security and that, in my opinion, was far more dangerous than anything else.
You "should" know better than this but you're being disingenuous again. That heavily edited video, taken out of context is proof you don't care about accuracy. Everyone knows what they meant - Trump was pressuring the FDA to approve the vaccine BEFORE the election and that's what they were referring to. They weren't going to take it if the FDA buckled to his pressure campaign before safety trials had completed.
White House threatens FDA chief's job over vaccine approval
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hours before the Food and Drug Administration authorized the first COVD-19 vaccine late Friday, a high-ranking White House official told the agency’s chief he could face firing if the vaccine was not cleared by day’s end, two administration officials said...apnews.com
Trump White House exerted pressure on FDA for Covid-19 emergency use authorizations, House report finds
The report by House Democrats examining the pandemic says Trump officials sought vaccine approvals to sway voters before the 2020 election.www.politico.com
Yes Willy, they told you that at the beginning purposefully so you would die. That's what they wanted to happen.Especially with the size of the virus. It just went through those cloth masks. A properly fit mask needs to create the best "seal" possible with a person's face, chin, nose and cheeks. Without that, it's pretty much useless. The stuff we were wearing was never going to really do that. It created a false sense of security and that, in my opinion, was far more dangerous than anything else.
This is called deflection. You made false claims against Biden and Harris and I proved you wrong. Admit what you were trying to do.You're missing the part where I never said Trump was some savior or did a great job. I'm not exonerating Trump and blaming Biden. They are all clowns and all professional useless people in my book. The difference with us and you're trying to prove one side is good and the other is bad. If you'd just realize it's all bad stuff driven by bad people then you'd be getting there. I'm not even interested in defending Trump. He had those daily conferences and they were an utter disaster. He was 1000% the wrong person for that time in our country. He did do a good job backing the pursuit of a vaccine but that's where his credit ends. Never should have listened to just Fauci, Birx, Collins, etc. without bringing worldwide experts into the equation. Anything as big as COVID should not lack opinions and scrutiny.
the CDC recommended cloth masks in March/April of 2020, and then changed that many months later after more data came out that showed COVID was an aerosol transmission (i think it was Oct/Nov of 2020). I'm not going to be upset with them about making a health suggestion with the information known at the time, and then changing that once more information became available. That's how the scientific process is supposed to work.
This is called deflection. You made false claims against Biden and Harris and I proved you wrong. Admit what you were trying to do.
Yes Willy, they told you that at the beginning purposefully so you would die. That's what they wanted to happen.
This is why I call you propaganda Willy. You will twist and distort everything until it fits your narrow, partisan worldview and then you hope the rubes will buy in. No one believes what you wrote here.No, you didn't. I heard them say it myself. I was there. You're working along boundary lines as to WHY they said those things. That doesn't matter. All I said was they made statements undermining the credibility of the vaccines. If that was well founded or not is not something I opined on. I didn't take the vaccine. I was never going to because I did my own research and felt it was an unnecessary gamble. I am happy they were out there and I think Biden did a reasonably good job getting them dispersed though I was adamantly against any mandates which he just couldn't resist due to his massive authoritarian streak.
So we have a "novel" virus that we've never seen before, so epidemioligists default to the best practices that informed their prevention strategies from other viruses UNTIL they had a chance to learn more about this particular virus. Normal people understood that since there weren't enough medical grade masks available, they were giving the best advice they could. You intentionally misrepresent their recommendation so you could sling partisan mud, due to your brilliant 20/20 vision. You knew better than everybody all along.With government it's never purposeful. It's just incompetence. I would hit the character limit for one post if I started listing all the incompetent policies, actions, programs put forward by our government.
This is why I call you propaganda Willy. You will twist and distort everything until it fits your narrow, partisan worldview and then you hope the rubes will buy in. No one believes what you wrote here.
So we have a "novel" virus that we've never seen before, so epidemioligists default to the best practices that informed their prevention strategies from other viruses UNTIL they had a chance to learn more about this particular virus. Normal people understood that since there weren't enough medical grade masks available, they were giving the best advice they could. You intentionally misrepresent their recommendation so you could sling partisan mud, due to your brilliant 20/20 vision.
Holy Eyeroll. Just stop man. You know you're trying to portray the people you don't like as the problem so you can win an ideological argumentWhat exactly do you think I am saying and what do you think I am twisting? You always say this but never really provide any detail on what you feel I am doing there.
Kind of like candidates Biden and Harris saying they may not take a vaccine developed under Trump as though he were the one developing it.
You have no idea what was done and what wasn’t. You weren’t there. But I bet you did stay at a holiday inn express last night.Yes, it was novel which means something new. When something is new and terrifying and a threat to lives, would you discard or undermine the views of people who are recognized worldwide experts on public health and virology in order to maintain your power over public health? Or would you gather all the experts you could to try and gather all the information possible to make the best decision possible in order to save all the lives you can?
It's a demonstrable fact we did not do the latter and instead chose the former. A lot of that is probably revealed by the fact that NIH was funding some of this research in the lab where COVID started.
What's partisan about what I am saying? Please elaborate
Holy Eyeroll. Just stop man. You know you're trying to portray the people you don't like as the problem so you can win an ideological argument
PROPAGANDA
They did say exactly what I stated. How's that ideological? Everything is politicized these days by all sides. Please list for me any issue that doesn't seem to fall on some partisan divide? Just like the vaccine wasn't approved until just after the election. How magical was that?
Would you really like to get into a contest as to who manipulated, suppressed and distorted information for political gain the most? I don't think I would take that bet if I were you. It happens on all sides but there are now coming to light some truly egregious examples of this type of behavior.
I think what we're seeing here is that any argument I make you're going to call it propaganda so you don't have to actually have a good faith debate about it. I don't blame you though because you're advocating from your platform of "my side is 100% right and yours is bad and wrong all the time." How about you expand on that some.
Jeez, you're so aggravating. Fauci disagreed with Trump and even though you say you're not a Trump supporter, that painted him as a liberal in your mind and therefore he gets no passes from you. If he wasn't perfect at all times, he should be burned at the stake. In March/April 2020 he gave advice that made sense at the time and NO ONE knew better than him because they needed time to study it first. With your perfect hindsight, you knew the right answers all along. Now you you say we should have listened to others in the scientific community that are far less respected and have offered questionable advice. Trump appointed Fauci, he was the right man for the job and he advised him well, though Trump ignored a lot of it. End of storyYes, it was novel which means something new. When something is new and terrifying and a threat to lives, would you discard or undermine the views of people who are recognized worldwide experts on public health and virology in order to maintain your power over public health? Or would you gather all the experts you could to try and gather all the information possible to make the best decision possible in order to save all the lives you can?
It's a demonstrable fact we did not do the latter and instead chose the former. A lot of that is probably revealed by the fact that NIH was funding some of this research in the lab where COVID started.
What's partisan about what I am saying? Please elaborate
The good faith argument:
Biden:
"The way he (Trump) talks about the vaccine is not particularly rational. He’s talking about it being ready, he’s going to talk about moving it quicker than the scientists think it should be moved … . People don’t believe that he’s telling the truth, therefore they’re not at all certain they’re going to take the vaccine. And one more thing: If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."
Harris:
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it."
Jeez, you're so aggravating. Fauci disagreed with Trump and even though you say you're not a Trump supporter, that painted him as a liberal in your mind and therefore he gets no passes from you. If he wasn't perfect at all times, he should be burned at the stake. In March/April 2020 he gave advice that made sense at the time and NO ONE knew better than him because they needed time to study it first. With your perfect hindsight, you knew the right answers all along. Now you you say we should have listened to others in the scientific community that are far less respected and have offered questionable advice. Trump appointed Fauci, he was the right man for the job and he advised him well, though Trump ignored a lot of it. End of story
I think they (policy makers/CDC/etc) followed what the majority of the medical field's opinion was at the time. Sure there were some differing views, but they seemed to follow what the majority believed was the correct choice at the time. I think a lot of the issue was a sizable portion of the population viewed COVID as something that wasn't as deadly as it actually ended up being, and didn't like the idea of having to wear masks for whatever reason. I think hindsight has taught us that the mask mandates probably should've been regionalized vs enacted broadly.OK. But, they also are proven to have been quashing other experts with opinions they didn't like. We didn't pull all the experts together to talk about what we could do to have a sound and well considered public policy toward COVID. A big part of this was the mask policy. Do you disagree with that assessment?
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the Director-General of the World Health Organization, warned against the idea of letting the virus spread in order to achieve herd immunity at a 12 October 2020 press briefing, calling the notion "unethical". He said: "Herd immunity is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached … Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it."[11][14] Tedros said that trying to achieve herd immunity by letting the virus spread unchecked would be "scientifically and ethically problematic", especially given that the long-term effects of the disease are still not fully understood.[11][14] He said that though "there has been some discussion recently about the concept of reaching so-called 'herd immunity' by letting the virus spread", "never in the history of public health has herd immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak, let alone a pandemic."[11][14][49]Let's try this a different way:
Dr. Marty Makary should have been there to talk about it
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya should have been there to discuss options
Dr. Martin Kulldorff should have been there as well
Dr. Sunetra Gupta should have been involved
Dr. Michael Farzan should have been there
Dr. Robert Garry should have been there
These are all some of the world's foremost experts on these matters. Yes, even more than Dr. Fauci or Dr. Collins from NIH. If we're facing a humanity altering crisis, we should seek all the best minds out and get their views on what we're doing. How is that partisan or propaganda? Wouldn't you want that? If you were diagnosed with cancer, would you not want all opinions from people you know are experts on the matter?
We also needed full disclosure that the NIH had funded gain of function research at the lab through a intermediary and that it was very likely it came from a lab. We also should have heard from Dr. Farzan and Dr. Garry about the virus coming from the lab before they took the $9m in funding from NIH and changed their stories about the lab leak. It's all so shadowy and the markers of corruption are everywhere.
Exactly. So instead, they waited and we had Joe Biden and Harris telling us we should take it and it wasn't tested as it needed to be, etc. So basically, the objection was Trump which is an entirely political premise. It's not as though Biden didn't know how things would work because he's almost been in government as long as I have been alive. We agree.
I don't know why you don't run for King of the World, since you, and you only, knows what's correct.Exactly. And they condemned it without due consideration and guess what happened? We needed a debate and a discussion about all this. The Great Barrington doctors ended up being largely correct. It would have been a valued voice in the room.
I find it hard to believe you just linked a Wiki page. As the President would say, "C'mon man!"
I don't know why you don't run for King of the World, since you, and you only, knows what's correct.
Not really. These comments were made months before any vaccine was made available. At that point, we had trump promising a vaccine at warp speed, but the drug companies were not making promises.
And for the record, when the vaccine was available and approved by science, Biden and Harris got the vaccine on national TV. trump got his in secret because he is a little bitch.