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****Meanwhile, at Clemson...

I’d be curious to see how many of the people that supported what happened on January 6th are against what is going on right now with these college protests.

I think any peaceful protest that follows the law should be protected, even if you despise the message. Any that break the law, threaten violence or destroys property should face the full legal consequences. Just don’t be a hypocrite either way.
 
Do any of you children know about the protests, both on and off campuses, of the 60's and 70's. Just wondering. What about participating in the Clemson campus protests of 1985 or early 1990's?
The outdoor amphitheater was filled w 500 or more students for a NORML rally in 1990 or so. That's the only on campus event I recall in the 90s that was "controversial"
 
While I don't think there's much point of bringing Rittenhouse to college campuses, left-wingers dislike him for shooting the people who attacked him, even if it was determined he did it in self-defense. So, because they don't like him, they tried to put pressure on Clemson to prevent him from speaking by making it out like the university officially invited him.

I had to look up what you were talking about. I guess it must've been some sort of controversy that this passed in corners of the internet I don't frequent, because this bipartisan bill that passed with a large majority didn't get much attention elsewhere. It appears it adopts an expanded definition of "anti-Semitism" for non-discrimination in the Dept of Ed that the government already uses in other agencies, to encompass "claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor" and "drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."

I'm not sure how the Dept of Ed enforces anti-discrimination law, but the sponsor of the bill said this, "When people engage in harassment or bullying of Jewish individuals where they justify the killing of Jews or use blood libel or hold Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the Israeli government — that is antisemitic. It's unfortunate that needs to be clarified, but that's why this bill is necessary." I think it remains to be seen if this would actually have an effect on protected speech any more-so than other provisions of anti-discrimination law, or that it would supersede speech protections if it conflicts with them. I do wonder if some of the reason some people oppose this is because it makes it harder to avoid their own anti-Semitism...

30k murdered? What are you talking about? It's ridiculous to compare the total number Hamas says have been killed in Gaza while Israel has been trying to recover hostages and root out terrorists to the total number of people killed in a terrorist raid.

But what's the "controversy" they're stirring up here? I think they should be allowed to bring Rittenhouse to campus, but I think it's dumb because it doesn't really serve any education purpose. He's a hero to people who wanted to see a more forceful response to the rioting in 2020, but he's also a guy who went to a riot with a gun and unfortunately had to use it in a deadly way to defend himself. Even though he didn't commit a crime, I don't think it's a good idea to flaunt what he did.

I also think it's silly to be needlessly provocative by bringing him to campus, and that he doesn't have much worthwhile to say. However, the point of this kind of provocation is to get left-wingers to try to prevent him from speaking and to make themselves look like they're being antagonized by anti-free speech leftists. Of course, it worked, because those people just can't help themselves.
Just to respond to what you quoted from me. The big pushback as I understand is that it's against the First Amendment and won't stand up to judicial scrutiny, hopefully. Beyond that the definitions used by the IHRA seemed to use broad examples of antisemitism that could include lots of speech that couldn't rightly be considered antisemitic, just speech from a Christian perspective. (this is not my big concern and I'm not sure how much of a real threat it is)

I didn't see it as anyone worried about their own antisemitism and that's certainly not my issue. I'm assuming you're not inferring that.

As a conservative, I would rather the stupid Republicans in office just stay out of the way and let the leftist colleges deal with their own problems that they've helped to create. The state of Florida seems to handle things much better by allowing protests but not vandalism or physical threats, etc. I don't agree with the message of the protests but they can do it if they like.
 
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I'm not even going to bother with the Socialist stuff... But Soros is 93, meaning he was born in 1931. The Germans occupied Hungary (where Soros lived with his family) in 1944 when Soros was 13 and the war effectively ended when Hitler killed himself in early 1945. So you are telling me that a 13 year old kid was trained and deployed to help the Nazis track down Jews? Come on man!
Yes. That is what I’m telling you and if you don’t believe me look up his 60 minutes interview. They ask him about it. He admits to it and defends it by saying if he didn’t do it they would have just gotten someone else to do it
 
The only "protest" I have ever been a part of was to show up outside the president's box, as a student, when Hatfield was hired. Just to see what the throng of people was there for.
 
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That's fair game to not care. I don't in particular. It's not fair game to deny that it happened just because some are using it as an excuse to discredit him or anything he's involved in.

Your example would be an ad hominem fallacy in my view. I put them in the same boat as being intellectually dishonest
Soros a POS.

 
Yes. That is what I’m telling you and if you don’t believe me look up his 60 minutes interview. They ask him about it. He admits to it and defends it by saying if he didn’t do it they would have just gotten someone else to do it
I've heard that too but I can't remember where I saw it. It might be in the book that he wrote in the '90's where he claims that he believes he's God or a god. I think he's an evil guy.
 
I believe he said that in the same 60 minutes interview
 
How is this not in the Political forum yet? My thread about Biden's NCAA bracket was moved in 3 minutes, which was about sports. This has nothing to do with sports.
 
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George Soros and the Rockefeller Foundation are the 2 main contributors. They are funding all of these protests. Soros is the biggest piece of shit to walk the planet in our lifetime. He was one of the Jews that helped track down others Jews for the nazis. And he is the main person behind this socialist agenda
Gimme a break. Usually 'your' side accuses Soros of being a rich Jew who wants to take over the world. Now he's a Gazan?

What is socialist about this pro-Palestinian effort?
 
Kyle didn't kill anyone,he done justice!!! And anyone on our campus supporting terrorist should be expelled!
 
I'm all for these people being front and center in every way imaginable. They are the picture of the future and we should show it in 8D high definition super ultra 50000k resolution. It's a broken country with broken systems that has strayed so far away from important bedrock principles that the only way past is through. It's our fault all this is taking place. We are 100% to blame for sitting back and looking the other way while this inane pathology took hold.
 
Gimme a break. Usually 'your' side accuses Soros of being a rich Jew who wants to take over the world. Now he's a Gazan?

What is socialist about this pro-Palestinian effort?
What I stated is fact. Something he talked about in a 60 minutes interview. And if you know anything about the man he is definitely pushing a socialist agenda. Not exactly sure why he is supporting this pro Palestinian BS other than he seems to like chaos. Just like he supported BLM and they linked his organization to delivering pallets of bricks to cities in the riots at that time.
 
Just to respond to what you quoted from me. The big pushback as I understand is that it's against the First Amendment and won't stand up to judicial scrutiny, hopefully. Beyond that the definitions used by the IHRA seemed to use broad examples of antisemitism that could include lots of speech that couldn't rightly be considered antisemitic, just speech from a Christian perspective. (this is not my big concern and I'm not sure how much of a real threat it is)

I didn't see it as anyone worried about their own antisemitism and that's certainly not my issue. I'm assuming you're not inferring that.

As a conservative, I would rather the stupid Republicans in office just stay out of the way and let the leftist colleges deal with their own problems that they've helped to create. The state of Florida seems to handle things much better by allowing protests but not vandalism or physical threats, etc. I don't agree with the message of the protests but they can do it if they like.
Who says it won’t stand up in court? Thomas Massie? Matt Goetz? Not really the best track record there, in comparison to other Republicans who supported it. I’m not suggesting you’re anti-Semitic, although I do think some of the left-wingers who voted against it are.
 
That's fair game to not care. I don't in particular. It's not fair game to deny that it happened just because some are using it as an excuse to discredit him or anything he's involved in.

Your example would be an ad hominem fallacy in my view. I put them in the same boat as being intellectually dishonest
Ad hominem wouldn’t make sense in this case, since I’m not using the agenda people have in bringing this up to say that what they’re saying isn’t true. However, it’s almost always brought up in the context of somebody saying he’s some sort of monster, because I guess it’s not bad enough that he’s bankrolling all these terrible left-wing causes.
 
Ad hominem wouldn’t make sense in this case, since I’m not using the agenda people have in bringing this up to say that what they’re saying isn’t true. However, it’s almost always brought up in the context of somebody saying he’s some sort of monster, because I guess it’s not bad enough that he’s bankrolling all these terrible left-wing causes.
I don't see how your example quote isn't an ad hominem when its' attacking Soros personally and not any of his work/arguments. Maybe I should reread the definition. Or are you confusing my posts thinking I'm saying you personally are making an Ad Hominem fallacy?
 
What I stated is fact. Something he talked about in a 60 minutes interview. And if you know anything about the man he is definitely pushing a socialist agenda. Not exactly sure why he is supporting this pro Palestinian BS other than he seems to like chaos. Just like he supported BLM and they linked his organization to delivering pallets of bricks to cities in the riots at that time.
That's just bullshit. Completely dishonest distortion of facts to suit your fantasies.
 
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Safe non violent protests are a First Amendment right whether I agree with them or not.

Illegal encampments with vandalism, threats of violence and actual violence are not legal or ok.

I hope this sit in is safe and legal as they describe though I likely disagree with them on many points.
protests on private property is not a first amendment right
 
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What I stated is fact. Something he talked about in a 60 minutes interview. And if you know anything about the man he is definitely pushing a socialist agenda. Not exactly sure why he is supporting this pro Palestinian BS other than he seems to like chaos. Just like he supported BLM and they linked his organization to delivering pallets of bricks to cities in the riots at that time.
"Open Society Foundations has not given money directly to the Black Lives Matter organization, the spokesperson said. However, it has funded organizations that are associated with the broader movement."

Our ruling
"In a resurfaced Facebook clip, Owens said Soros injected "$33 million" into the Black Lives Matter organization.

We found no evidence proving Soros or his foundation gave money directly to the Black Lives Matter organization. Previous reporting in 2015 and 2016 used the $33 million figure to refer to donations from the foundation to multiple groups involved with the cause of racial justice.

The figure for Soros’ Black Lives Matter support is not credible, so we rate this claim False."

 
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“…. a man who shot three men, killing two, at a protest raising awareness on police brutality.”

This is why I can’t take anything these people, or anyone who thinks like them, seriously.

No matter how you feel about Rittenhouse, describing the event as a “protest raising awareness on police brutality”???????

My goodness!
 


Patrick Bet-David Noticing Some Amazing Coincidences With These College Protests, Things Like

Both Election Year Protests started around the same time:

The George Floyd BLM riots happened in May 2020

Now in May 2024, College Protests are happening

The media is repeating the exact same lines, “If one student dies”

David “If one student dies, it's as if they want this”

“The date is May 26th, you can Google this, 2020, when George Floyd died and all they needed was a story like that. They need chaos. Today is May 2nd. We are roughly a little over three weeks away from that date with George Floyd.”

Now Breaking Down The Money Trail:

Do you know what percentage of the revenue that Harvard got in their endowment in 2021 came from actual tuition of students trying to get a degree from Harvard? Tuition, degree, Harvard. What do you think it is? A lot of people say, well, $60,000, $70,000 a year. $80,000, that's how they make their money.

Really? Only 10% of their endowment came from actually doing their job, educating students.

Do you know 39% came from donations?

Do you know 10% came from gifts?

Do you know nearly 49% of the money Harvard got in 2021 is from donations and gifts?

Only 10% is from students.

So let me ask you a question. Let's paint a picture here. Let's just say, let's just say the professor of Harvard, the dean, the president of Harvard, of Columbia, their assistant says, Mr. President, we have two people waiting for you on hold. Line one is, your number one student's parents.

How much money did they give us last year? I think outside of the tuition, around $300,000. Who's on line two? George Soros. Oh, oh, tell Mr. Jackson, the number one student's parents, I'll call him back.

Please put Mr. Soros through. Hello, Mr. Soros. How can we help you? Oh, because you gave so much money and da-da-da-da-da and all these other endowment money being given to them. FYI, let me go a little bit deeper for you.

Do you know China, since 2019, 2018, they've given roughly $400 million to universities in America.

Do you know what university they gave the most money to? 70 million went to Harvard. Who's Harvard's number one customer? Students? Or these people that are giving massive donations to them, who's their number one customer?

It's very strange when you sit there and you ask yourself, why are they doing nothing about it? Why are they okay with Palestine flags going up and not America's flag going up? It's because we're not asking the right question.

The moment we find out who the number one customer is, that gives the most money, it gives you a lot of perspective to realize, if you ran A, you do construction, you're a general contractor. You have two clients.

One of them gave you $50 million of business to big buildings last year. The other one gave you $10 million.

Which client is more important to you? So why are people confused? These professors, these professors that we're all trusting our kids with who hate America, we're supposed to spend that kind of money and send our kids there that are being controlled by the people that are giving the donations who hate America, and we're supposed to be okay with that. Yeah, I think we're naive. I think we need to start exposing and talking about some of this stuff. I'm going to put the link below for you to watch. But I wonder.

Who do you think, from all the stuff that I just said to you, who do you think is their number one customer? You? The students? The parents? Or those people that are giving the most donation to these guys? I don't think it's a tough question to ask, but I want to ask you, what do you think? Comment below.”

This is a summary of what’s being said, there’s much more good details in the video.
 


It's almost like the regime decided last night was the night to drop the hammer.

Police broke up the Fordham occupation last night
Police dismantled the UCLA encampment overnight
Police raided Hamilton Hall at Columbia overnight
Police are moving into the Portland State encampment as we speak
Joe Biden finally condemned the illegal protests this morningSomeone made the call.

The bad optics finally became too much.
 
Who says it won’t stand up in court? Thomas Massie? Matt Goetz? Not really the best track record there, in comparison to other Republicans who supported it. I’m not suggesting you’re anti-Semitic, although I do think some of the left-wingers who voted against it are.
No, that's not who I'm relying on for that take, they may think that. You'll have free speech advocates on both sides expressing that thought, although it seems the numbers are dwindling.

I don't like any of the hate speech laws. They're too easily abused and I think unconstitutional. Plus, I think it's better to combat hate speech with better ideas/speech. Let the haters flaunt their ignorance and be exposed.
 
I’d be curious to see how many of the people that supported what happened on January 6th are against what is going on right now with these college protests.

I think any peaceful protest that follows the law should be protected, even if you despise the message. Any that break the law, threaten violence or destroys property should face the full legal consequences. Just don’t be a hypocrite either way.

Jan 6 is the Democratic version of the Armageddon

The end of Time

In reality it was a crap show fostered by the Democrats failure to act and the confusion due to massive contentions of election fraud which to this day I 100 % believe happened

These Hamas protests are calling for the genocide and deaths of a whole group of people

I think that definitely qualifies for hate speech
 
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No, that's not who I'm relying on for that take, they may think that. You'll have free speech advocates on both sides expressing that thought, although it seems the numbers are dwindling.

I don't like any of the hate speech laws. They're too easily abused and I think unconstitutional. Plus, I think it's better to combat hate speech with better ideas/speech. Let the haters flaunt their ignorance and be exposed.
I don’t think this is a hate speech law, though. It’s Dept of Ed non-discrimination law, which has more to do with how they determine whether schools have a welcoming climate for certain minorities.

I agree with the rest of what you say. But I would like to see some analysis from more responsible conservative outlets.
 
I don’t think this is a hate speech law, though. It’s Dept of Ed non-discrimination law, which has more to do with how they determine whether schools have a welcoming climate for certain minorities.

I agree with the rest of what you say. But I would like to see some analysis from more responsible conservative outlets.
If it's just that innocuous from the Dept of Ed then I could kind of understand it, although I don't trust them.

I saw something on X earlier (I didn't dive into it further) that the original authors of this bill have the next round already written that creates "officers" at each school to act as monitors of speech and will be able to provide an enforcement mechanism.

This is generally what happens with gov't intervention. I wish the schools themselves would handle things better. If/when Jewish students are being blocked from buildings or being harassed and threatened (all has happened), then the schools should stop that and preferably face condemnation by the public before gov't action is needed.
 
If it's just that innocuous from the Dept of Ed then I could kind of understand it, although I don't trust them.

I saw something on X earlier (I didn't dive into it further) that the original authors of this bill have the next round already written that creates "officers" at each school to act as monitors of speech and will be able to provide an enforcement mechanism.

This is generally what happens with gov't intervention. I wish the schools themselves would handle things better. If/when Jewish students are being blocked from buildings or being harassed and threatened (all has happened), then the schools should stop that and preferably face condemnation by the public before gov't action is needed.
I think this might be a direct response to the hearing where the Ivy presidents all came in and said they either didn’t know what antisemitism was, or that they didn’t see a problem with calling for violence against Zionists/Israeli Jews, as long as it wasn’t calling for violence against an individual. That seems pretty inconsistent with how we think about calls for violence against other groups.
 
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