Texas woman died after being denied miscarriage care due to abortion ban, report finds
Josseli Barnica died days state passed six-week abortion ban and doctors delayed treatment, ProPublica reports
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I’m a pro life guy (practicing Catholic) but I vote Dem. State legislators, doctors scared of prison time, and hospital risk lawyers being in charge of abortion laws has been predictably disastrous
If life starts at conception, give the pregnant woman two votes. Give her life insurance on the fetus.
Abortion Bans Have Delayed Emergency Medical Care. In Georgia, Experts Say This Mother’s Death Was Preventable.
At least two women in Georgia died after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care in their state, ProPublica has found. This is one of their stories.
What about the 63 million babies that have been murdered since 1973?Texas woman died after being denied miscarriage care due to abortion ban, report finds
Josseli Barnica died days state passed six-week abortion ban and doctors delayed treatment, ProPublica reportswww.theguardian.com
Wow ..so tragic.Texas woman died after being denied miscarriage care due to abortion ban, report finds
Josseli Barnica died days state passed six-week abortion ban and doctors delayed treatment, ProPublica reports
There are some facts to unpack here...such as, did she want to forestall labor while her child still had a heartbeat? Dilation in itself is not cause for inducing. Did her amniotic sac rupture?
I lost the only son I would have at 19 weeks gestation. Don't recall what my wife was dilated at, but the baby had crowned. Our OB, who was also close friend, induced and we delivered a perfect baby boy, just too small to survive.
I am fiercely anti-abortion.... especially after my ordeal with my son. But a doc has to be able to care for their patient. Period. Any law that interferes with that is not a just law and must be ignored.
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20-30% (maybe higher because many women don't realize they're pregnant) of embryos don't make it past the first trimester naturally. It would appear our omnipotent God doesn't share your view of murder here.
Are you really this stupid? You’re quoting a Methodist preacher and saying God doesn’t share my view on murdering the unborn?20-30% (maybe higher because many women don't realize they're pregnant) of embryos don't make it past the first trimester naturally. It would appear our omnipotent God doesn't share your view of murder here.
Extremely unlikely, but the best thing the GOP can do if they win is to pass EU style abortion laws. More conservative than Roe (most limit non-exception abortion to around 15 weeks), but guarantees access for pro-choice people. Take the issue off the ballot and pass legislation that the vast majority of Americans support. And protect IVF in no uncertain terms.
And a US citizen…something the Biden administration has forgotten!!
You’re stuck with the evangelicals now. Made your bed and now you’ll be laying in it for decades.
Lordy. You can see my position above on abortion, so I'm not some extremist. But these two points are laughably absurd:
- As piggy pointed out, you have to be 18 to vote. Why would a -1 year old get a vote? Should my family get 4 votes to account for my 4 and 8 year olds?
- Life insurance is generally meant to replace income (larger amounts) or pay for final expenses (token amounts). The fetus generates no income and generally doesn't have burial expenses. My 4 and 8 year olds do not have life insurance. There is no practical purpose for it.
Democrats want so bad for abortion to be a divisive issue. However, the reality is that the masses are settling in on agreement. Only the fringes will make this an issue going forward.
Women get a right to abortion, but it needs to be done before late term.
Reasonable people accept this solution as fair. Only the fringes will make this a voting issue in the future.
Women get a right to abortion, but it needs to be done before late term.
Reasonable people accept this solution as fair. Only the fringes will make this a voting issue in the future.
I think everyone can agree that abortion by-and-large is an evil practice, but on very very very very very rare occasions is it necessary. Aborting a child for it being an inconvenience is murder.
You know the sad part of this is that in 2023 over a million unborn babies were murdered in this Country, more than any other year before…for “women’s healthy care.” While some of these lunatics ITT will post sad stories of a mother losing her life, and that is very sad and tragic, not a one of them will ever focus on the unborn baby.
Women, overwhelmingly, want a right to abortion. It’s a losing issue at the ballot box. It certainly feels like women have “won” their right to abortion via votes.
If we focus on the baby and are honest, some
Of those babies were probably better off not being born.
Nothing good will come from a society that sanctions the vigorous, gleeful slaughter the only innocent beings that will ever exist.
We will disagree on this all day. If a woman doesn’t want the baby, why kill it! Why not just give the baby to a family that wants one and can’t have one?
And our adoption process needs a complete overhaul!! Make it less costly for adoption.
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If life starts at conception, still not sure how you can be OK with IVF. Tossing the extra eggs or removing them if too many attach has GOT to be murder, no?
I understand why you say that. I've thought the same from my late teens into much of my twenties. But when you dwell on it, that is a chilling statement...especially when you consider the question that naturally follows: who decides? The only one to not have a vote is the one whose life is to be ended.
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IVF does not have to be done this way.
I actually don't have a problem with this. HOWEVER, I think it's fair to point out that the party that overwhelmingly favors the pro life stance, CONSISTANTLY votes against helping with birth control, prenatal care, health care, child care or improving the adoption system.
Also they are pretty good at blaming pregnant women for getting pregnant.
Also, it's not a matter of "if". Immediately after conception, new DNA is formed...DNA that is unique in all of humanity. Metabolic processes commence its march with a singular goal: to be.
Magas are about to find out just how much abortion rights matter to the majority of the Americans.
I'm listening.
The way I understand it, insurance will pay for 3 attempts of IVF and after that, you are on your own. Even pulling multiple eggs and implanting them doesn't ensure success, it just increases your chances. Again, the folks that are doing the talking here are the ones that are historically limiting the coverage.
So is there some method that works well and doesn't waste eggs? And what about the left over eggs if you are successful? Should we force people to have all those kids or should we force people to have other people's extras?
I'm not sure that keeping the extra eggs frozen forever with no intention of ever having these children is any better than destroying them.
I don't think it is ethical to implant numerous fertilized embryos, much less moral. Creating a situation where a mother unnaturally bears multiple children puts both mother and child(ren) at risk of permeant injury and birth defects. We can and should be more deliberate in how we approach IVF.
Modern IVF does not require the ferritization and implantation of multiple eggs. There are in fact medical studies that insist no more than two eggs should be implanted at once. We CAN have IVF where no embryos are deliberately destroyed.
Still, this is MY worldview and one I would implore others to voluntarily follow as an act of conscious, but I DO NOT favor legislation that would make this law.
I abide by the axiom that we are not made righteous by the laws we feel compelled to enact; we are made righteous by the laws we do not have to enact.
crazy how they ignore the election patterns since Trump got rid of Roe. nobody wants old white men, especially whoremongers and charlatans, telling them what to do with their own healthcare choices and reproductive rights.
I hope you're wrong, but, I believe you might be right. Well, that plus the fact that women don't like the mean orange guy. It's a similar story to last time millions more female voters.
I just think it's an honest statement. There are many women who have an abortion simply because they are not ready to bring a child into this world. Women want that right and it shows through their votes. You can disagree all you want, but they speak with their votes and in my mind they have spoken loud and clear.
As a father of a child born with disabilities i have been in the position where i had to make a decision (along with my wife) and we decided to have our child anyway. Best decision i have ever made (I do sometimes wonder if it was a selfish decision). However, I still think that right was ours to decide and not for anyone else.
I think most people feel that the compromise where we currently stand is a good position. Abortion is legal, but must be done before late term. Anything else is a losing position for republicans as a whole (not you personally, we are all free to believe what we want).
We agree and it’s sad that we say we are pro life but do not help in those areas you listed! To use a preachy term we have to care from the womb to the tomb.
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