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A look at the Florida Covid situation

I got back from a bachelor party in Santa Rosa Beach and I certainly believe the notion that some “don’t care about the virus”

No masks, no social distancing anywhere, dudes taking a piss and not washing their hands, and a ****ing lady coughing up a storm while we were in line at Publix.

I can’t tell between locals and tourists but my group were careful because the groom’s father isn’t doing well. As a matter of fact, 3 dudes dropped out because they had symptoms, which I respect. But what I saw in Florida was abhorrent - literally no care in the world for others. And I tend to lean on “do you, so long as it doesn’t impact me. Whether you wear a mask is up to you” but Jesus Christ this past weekend made me realize how truly selfish some of our own citizens are.
 
Noticed something about the COVID numbers reported by DHEC for SC. Officially zero have recovered out of the 41,000 infected. Seems odd.
 
2019- There were ~650 deaths in South Carolina due to car accidents.
2020- There have been ~780 deaths in South Carolina due to COVID-19.

Why didn’t we ban cars in 2019? LOL

My point is that the overreaction to COVID-19 is unbelievable.

Liberals flame away!
What about the republicans shutting things down? They liberals too?
 
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Trust me, if there were one active virus in a pneumonia death . They would find that sucker and report it as so.
All Covid deaths are caused by pneumonia. Regardless of what you may want to believe, there is a very good chance that some pneumonia reported deaths actually resulted from Covid.
 
All Covid deaths are caused by pneumonia. Regardless of what you may want to believe, there is a very good chance that some pneumonia reported deaths actually resulted from Covid.
Some? I'd say a whole lot. Florida reported 5x as many pneumonia deaths from Feb-May of this year as the average for the previous 5 years.
 
So u good with 806 people dying in 4 months? Does all lives matter or not? You are ok with 200 people dying a month to a virus?
No, I am not good with anyone dying. Abortions, drugs, alcohol, etc. kill way more people but little to nothing is done to control these situations.
 
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So u good with 806 people dying in 4 months? Does all lives matter or not? You are ok with 200 people dying a month to a virus?

Personally, I'm not good with anyone dying from a virus. It is tragic.

At the same time I'm not okay with stripping freedom and ruining millions of people mentally and financially.

It is a delicate balancing act.

The reality is we will all die eventually, whether from this virus, cancer, heart failure, trauma, etc. We all have that appointment.

Living isolated and in fear is no way to live.
 
Personally, I'm not good with anyone dying from a virus. It is tragic.

At the same time I'm not okay with stripping freedom and ruining millions of people mentally and financially.

It is a delicate balancing act.

The reality is we will all die eventually, whether from this virus, cancer, heart failure, trauma, etc. We all have that appointment.

Living isolated and in fear is no way to live.
What freedom? Mask and washing hands?

I may be wrong but I’ve been smoking on big green egg all day drinking beer and taking shots. I feel pretty free. And i appreciate my friends my family and all healthcare workers that are having to deal with this increase bc people’s freedom and entitlement and inconvenience is being violated
 
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Liberals create fake news
You mean like "This virus will go away when Summer comes"; or "take hydroxychloroquine and you will be fine"; or "Obama didn't leave any plan for dealing with a pandemic"? Actually, the best one was probably that "Obama left a bad test for the Covid-19"...ummm, considering it is a brand new virus, I wouldn't think Obama could have created a test for it in 2016. I could go on for pages on your beloved Fake News by our idiot president.
 
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You mean like "This virus will go away when Summer comes"; or "take hydroxychloroquine and you will be fine"; or "Obama didn't leave any plan for dealing with a pandemic"? Actually, the best one was probably that "Obama left a bad test for the Covid-19"...ummm, considering it is a brand new virus, I wouldn't think Obama could have created a test for it in 2016. I could go on for pages on your beloved Fake News by our idiot president.
You are showing your ignorance. Go back to The Chop.
 
What freedom? Mask and washing hands?

I may be wrong but I’ve been smoking on big green egg all day drinking beer and taking shots. I feel pretty free. And i appreciate my friends my family and all healthcare workers that are having to deal with this increase bc people’s freedom and entitlement and inconvenience is being violated

Oh, I dont know......maybe the freedom to open up your business. Or go to church. Or your kids to go to school. You know, silly shit like that which you think isn't "freedom".
 
Oh, I dont know......maybe the freedom to open up your business. Or go to church. Or your kids to go to school. You know, silly shit like that which you think isn't "freedom".
Churches aren’t open? Church by my house was packed last Sunday. It’s summer. school isn’t in. Most businesses in sc are open except night clubs but people finding way around that

not to mention I’m hearing more fireworks than i ever have. Merica
 
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You be scared, I refuse to be

I did not mention that I was scared. I simply get annoyed by faulty logic where people try to compare apples and oranges to make a point. I am also annoyed by overreaction every time a study comes out, as if somehow one study is the end all when it fits your beliefs versus being another data point in an evolving discussion of what is happening.
 
You mean like "This virus will go away when Summer comes"; or "take hydroxychloroquine and you will be fine"; or "Obama didn't leave any plan for dealing with a pandemic"? Actually, the best one was probably that "Obama left a bad test for the Covid-19"...ummm, considering it is a brand new virus, I wouldn't think Obama could have created a test for it in 2016. I could go on for pages on your beloved Fake News by our idiot president.
LOL Yes fake news. When will you figure out the media, liberals, Democratic party will do anything to take down the President. Even at the cost of American lives. Pathetic.

Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows
July 02, 2020
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DETROIT – Treatment with hydroxychloroquine cut the death rate significantly in sick patients hospitalized with COVID-19 – and without heart-related side-effects, according to a new study published by Henry Ford Health System.

In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine. None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities; however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.

The study was published today in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, the peer-reviewed, open-access online publication of the International Society of Infectious Diseases (ISID.org).

Patients treated with hydroxychloroquine at Henry Ford met specific protocol criteria as outlined by the hospital system’s Division of Infectious Diseases. The vast majority received the drug soon after admission; 82% within 24 hours and 91% within 48 hours of admission. All patients in the study were 18 or over with a median age of 64 years; 51% were men and 56% African American.

“The findings have been highly analyzed and peer-reviewed,” said Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of Infectious Disease for Henry Ford Health System, who co-authored the study with Henry Ford epidemiologist Dr. Samia Arshad. “We attribute our findings that differ from other studies to early treatment, and part of a combination of interventions that were done in supportive care of patients, including careful cardiac monitoring. Our dosing also differed from other studies not showing a benefit of the drug. And other studies are either not peer reviewed, have limited numbers of patients, different patient populations or other differences from our patients.”

Zervos said the potential for a surge in the fall or sooner, and infections continuing worldwide, show an urgency to identifying inexpensive and effective therapies and preventions.

“We’re glad to add to the scientific knowledge base on the role and how best to use therapies as we work around the world to provide insight,” he said. “Considered in the context of current studies on the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19, our results suggest that the drug may have an important role to play in reducing COVID-19 mortality.”

The study also found those treated with azithromycin alone or a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin also fared slightly better than those not treated with the drugs, according to the Henry Ford data. The analysis found 22.4% of those treated only with azithromycin died, and 20.1% treated with a combination of azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 26.4% of patients dying who were not treated with either medication.

“Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” said neurosurgeon Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO, Henry Ford Medical Group and Senior Vice President and Chief Academic Officer of Henry Ford Health System. “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight. And the data here is clear that there was benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

Overall, hospital system patients in the study experienced an 18.1% in-hospital mortality rate. Regardless of treatment, mortality was highest in:

  • Patients older than 65,
  • Patients who identified as Caucasian,
  • Patients admitted with reduced oxygen levels,
  • Patients who required ICU admission.
Patients who died commonly had serious underlying diseases, including chronic kidney and lung disease, with 88% dying from respiratory failure. Globally, the overall mortality from SARS-COV-2 is estimated to be approximately 6% to 7%, with mortality in hospitalized patients ranging between 10% and 30%, according to the study. Mortality as high as 58% has been seen among patients requiring ICU care and mechanical ventilation.

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, hydroxychloroquine (also known as hydroxychloroquine sulfate) is a U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA)-approved arthritis medicine that also can be used to prevent or treat malaria. It is available in the United States by prescription only. The drug is sold under the brand name Plaquenil and it is also sold as a generic medicine. It is commonly used by patients with arthritis, lupus or other rheumatic conditions.

Dr. Zervos also pointed out, as does the paper, that the study results should be interpreted with some caution, should not be applied to patients treated outside of hospital settings and require further confirmation in prospective, randomized controlled trials that rigorously evaluate the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19.

“Currently, the drug should be used only in hospitalized patients with appropriate monitoring, and as part of study protocols, in accordance with all relevant federal regulations,” Dr. Zervos said.

Henry Ford Health System, as one of the region’s major academic medical centers with more than $100 million in annual research funding, is involved in numerous COVID-19 trials with national and international partners.

Henry Ford Health System is currently also involved in a prophylactic hydroxychloroquine study: “Will Hydroxychloroquine Impede or Prevent COVID-19,” or WHIP COVID-19. The study is a 3,000-person, randomized, double-blinded look at whether hydroxychloroquine prevents healthcare and frontline workers from contracting the COVID-19 virus. The WHIP COVID-19 team is working on expanding study sites while there is a lull in the number of COVID-19 cases in Southeast Michigan. This is in preparation for a potential increase of COVID-19 cases as Fall flu season approaches, with additional sites available for convenient enrollment of healthcare workers and first responders. The WHIP COVID-19 team is also taking this gift of time to reach out to other areas of the world that are seeing a blossoming of cases: Brazil and Argentina. There are currently 619 people enrolled in the study, out of a target of 3,000.
 
LOL Yes fake news. When will you figure out the media, liberals, Democratic party will do anything to take down the President. Even at the cost of American lives. Pathetic.

Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows

This is what I mentioned above, overreacting to every study that comes out, this could be good news, but if you really want to be informed you have to understand that just taking their conclusions at face value is not the way to do it. This is a good data point to add to the information that we continue to gather about this virus but it doesn't mean that suddenly this drug is the cure all again. Good science requires that the conclusions and methods from this study are repeated and that variables like the addition of another drug, dexomethasone (sp?), included in these patient's regimens was not contributing to the cut in death rate. In the long run, it seems that there will end up being an inventory of drugs used to fight the virus and that they will be need to be tailored to the patient in question. Keep in mind, this is not a bacteria which you can actually kill, this is a virus that is not actually "alive" until it enters a host cell and all the treatments involved center around stopping its entry into a cell, hijacking of the cell's functions or replication of itself. Depending on the patient's risk factors and the stage at which the disease is diagnosed, different drugs will need to be employed.
 
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