Alright- Mother Russia v The Ukrainian western pawn

[GoodWord28]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

 

[MaxCalifornia]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

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[Cocks are Number 1]

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You must admit, though… what a strange video clip.

 

[Mac Tiger]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

Who wants to invade Russia? NATO is purely defensive. That’s WW2 thinking. Distance doesn’t matter anymore.

 

[other1]

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Your point???

 

[JackieChiles]

 

[TMcGrady1]

 

[clempzenbill]

Nobody is invading Russia, ever. It will not end well for Russia if they invade Ukraine. Putin is testing the waters to gauge resolve but we’ll see how desperate he is. Russia’s economy is roughly the size if Italy’s and is mostly energy and weapons production. They don’t have much economic wherewithal for a major conflict and could not afford serious sanctions for very long. Fortunately for him there is an extremely weak and incompetent administration in DC which is why he’s stirring the pot. Also the EU is a bunch of spineless pacifists and that’s also why he’s at the border threatening. “Si vis pacem parabellum”, the previous US administration understood this, the current one does not. The EU never has.

 

[palmettodeuce]

Damn, that’s just plain super weird. Feels comfortable doing that to someone else’s kid that ain’t his granddaughter in front of cameras.

 

[Woody1405]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

You have quoted Putin's communist line perfectly. Congratulations.

 

[sregit18]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

This isn’t 19something. Who in their right mind would invade Russia by land other than Gypsys?

 

[Willence]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

What the hell are you talking about? Who's planning to invade Russia? They've got the entire western part of Europe addicted to their energy. There's not one sign that anyone is thinking about invading Russia at any time. Russia has done this throughout its history. They expand and eventually over expand which causes a major contraction. They shrink up and then they start planning to expand again. They are stuck on stupid in that country with a third rate economy in a first-rate military and a lot of people with a whole lot of nothing.

 

[charlestontiger417]

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I don’t like him anymore than you, but come on. Let’s leave that out.

And I don’t think anything is going to happen. This is all talk by the Russians I think. With that said, I have been very wrong many times before.

 

[BuzzAroundTiger]

Not sure why Ukraine just doesn't work out a lease agreement with Russia for usage of the port cities? This is about being landlocked to my knowledge, not some 1980s invasion threat.

 

[Overwatch]

Not sure why Ukraine just doesn't work out a lease agreement with Russia for usage of the port cities? This is about being landlocked to my knowledge, not some 1980s invasion threat.

That would make their involvement with NATO a near impossibility. I’d imagine that’s a driving factor.

 

[DeathValley_13]

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@JoeBidenSniffsKids

 

[Baloney_Pony]

And just like that…..a thread about a topic of actual current geopolitical importance turned into anything but

Bunch of echo chamber addicts on this board. That’s what happens when a bunch of Redbirds get their world view shaped by Facebook memes.

 

[GoodWord28]

What the hell are you talking about? Who's planning to invade Russia? They've got the entire western part of Europe addicted to their energy. There's not one sign that anyone is thinking about invading Russia at any time. Russia has done this throughout its history. They expand and eventually over expand which causes a major contraction. They shrink up and then they start planning to expand again. They are stuck on stupid in that country with a third rate economy in a first-rate military and a lot of people with a whole lot of nothing.

This went over your head. 20/50/100years from now, having that protection (just like we like having the protection of the Atlantic and pacific) has some measure of importance to a state no matter how advanced technology gets.

 

[treetiger]

Ukraine should have kept those nukes that were in their territory after the fall of the Soviet Union instead of dismantle them. The US military certainly can't help. It is somewhat in disarray and decline. Thousands have ETS-ed or been force to leave due to vaccine mandates, and due to the purging of the 'white supremacists' (conservatives). I would imagine their morale isn't too good at this time.

The army has gone full WOKE in their recruiting videos, worried more about being WOKE and less about being combat ready. Here's the two mom's video:




I imagine that has the Russian's shaking in their boots!!! So Ukraine, you're on your own...

 

[clemsonfn8]

My thoughts on this whole situation....right or wrong it’s just IMO.

-US is stoking the flames
-Russia is either planning to invade Ukraine and doesn’t give two craps who cares or...
-Europe is in their cold season and they don’t need people freezing to death as a result of Putin shutting them off.
-Putin is seeing what he can get from the world being on edge that he may invade Ukraine/Testing the West to see how far he can go
-I’m not seeing other news outlets around the world (including Ukraine media) that is crying wolf quite like the US media.
-Putin needs the fertile lands of Eastern Ukraine but at what cost. If they invade they will piss off most of the purchasers of their oil industry. Leaving only smaller pro Russian countries and China to buy from them.
-China will want no part of this as they are pushing the Worldwide Digital Yuan and that craps the bed if they get involved. If they do get involved it will be to take back Taiwan while everyone else is preoccupied with Ukraine/Russia.
-If this all does in fact happen it will be bad for all parties. Europe is cut off from Natural Gas. US will lose its 3rd largest oil provider and most definitely have massive cyber attacks etc.

I have no clue what is going to happen but I hope that it’s all just Putin puffing his chest and seeing how he can get the entire world on pins and needles over his massive bluff. If not it’s ugly for everyone. As far as invading Russia....it’ll never happen. Our modern wars will be cyber attacks, missiles, drones, and sanctions. We don’t want a troop war with Russia. It would be very bloody as they are one of the closest countries to the US as far as military goes.

 

[TooterTownTiger]

Russia’s already taken Georgia. They’ll be coming for the rest of the SEC next

 

[CUT93]

So you’re saying we should invade Mexico?

 

[lcctay]

Nobody is invading Russia, ever. It will not end well for Russia if they invade Ukraine. Putin is testing the waters to gauge resolve but we’ll see how desperate he is. Russia’s economy is roughly the size if Italy’s and is mostly energy and weapons production. They don’t have much economic wherewithal for a major conflict and could not afford serious sanctions for very long. Fortunately for him there is an extremely weak and incompetent administration in DC which is why he’s stirring the pot. Also the EU is a bunch of spineless pacifists and that’s also why he’s at the border threatening. “Si vis pacem parabellum”, the previous US administration understood this, the current one does not. The EU never has.

This is accurate.

I have talked to several Ukrainians and they highly doubt an invasion but we will see. They think it is being pumped up by Biden due to his sorry poll numbers and Biden benefits if Putin decides not to invade ... ready to hear the propaganda "we were tough with Putin and convinced him not to invade".

They used to say "Putin has the dirt on Trump" but the reality is that Putin has the dirt on Biden and Hunter.

For a different perspective of discussion, I am not sure how much value it means for the US and NATO to actually have Ukraine in NATO so it seems a small issue if it were used to avert an invasion. However, a true NATO conflict with Russia seems stupid for the Russians and some day, NATO countries have to figure out why they want a "cold (or hot) war" with a third rate country as opposed to a more peaceful relationship and focus on China as the real threat.

 

[GoodWord28]

This is accurate.

I have talked to several Ukrainians and they highly doubt an invasion but we will see. They think it is being pumped up by Biden due to his sorry poll numbers and Biden benefits if Putin decides not to invade ... ready to hear the propaganda "we were tough with Putin and convinced him not to invade".

They used to say "Putin has the dirt on Trump" but the reality is that Putin has the dirt on Biden and Hunter.

For a different perspective of discussion, I am not sure how much value it means for the US and NATO to actually have Ukraine in NATO so it seems a small issue if it were used to avert an invasion. However, a true NATO conflict with Russia seems stupid for the Russians and some day, NATO countries have to figure out why they want a "cold (or hot) war" with a third rate country as opposed to a more peaceful relationship and focus on China as the real threat.

Reality is going to hit them hard in a few days.

 

[spskillz]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

I read this and thought ah that makes sense. I know people are saying that any war would involve a land invasion but at some point to have to occupy the land to deal defeat.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

Poor poor Russia, always the victim.

 

[dbowers2008]

Chester Chester…

 

[NCTiger1990]

What the hell are you talking about? Who's planning to invade Russia? They've got the entire western part of Europe addicted to their energy. There's not one sign that anyone is thinking about invading Russia at any time. Russia has done this throughout its history. They expand and eventually over expand which causes a major contraction. They shrink up and then they start planning to expand again. They are stuck on stupid in that country with a third rate economy in a first-rate military and a lot of people with a whole lot of nothing.

I hear a lot of Rush Limbaugh in that response. Love it.

 

[clemsonu0219]

“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.”

 

[Buzzards Roost]

What the hell are you talking about? Who's planning to invade Russia? They've got the entire western part of Europe addicted to their energy. There's not one sign that anyone is thinking about invading Russia at any time. Russia has done this throughout its history. They expand and eventually over expand which causes a major contraction. They shrink up and then they start planning to expand again. They are stuck on stupid in that country with a third rate economy in a first-rate military and a lot of people with a whole lot of nothing.

2nd rate military

 

[TigManinSC]

One other fact — most Ukrainians really don’t like Russians. They used to tolerate each other but animosity has grown over last decade.

Ukrainians are looking west toward the EU and want that standard of living and lifestyle. That hacks Russian leaders like Putin off. They want Ukraine to look toward Russia.

And people who say this doesn’t impact us in the US at all are about to be in for a surprise if Russian tanks do head into Ukraine.

 

[scotchtiger]

Seems the Ukrainians have different intel, so we will see what happens.

Pretty good lesson here though. The Euro countries are handicapped with what they can do because they are reliant on Russia for energy. A country should never rely on a potential adversary for something so critical. The US should take notes regarding our dependence on China for chips, generic pharmaceuticals and many other items.

Also a good lesson that the perception of a weak leader in the White House encourages bad actors abroad.

 

[tigerGUY]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

Great take.

 

[Tigerbandit]

I don’t like him anymore than you, but come on. Let’s leave that out.

And I don’t think anything is going to happen. This is all talk by the Russians I think. With that said, I have been very wrong many times before.

No. It’s not all talk by anyone but Joe Biden! His admin is pushing for the invasion.

 

[areeves]

Likely by Wednesday per the BBC. I understand Russias position. Ukraines military is strong enough to make this really bloody for the Russians. The markets aren’t ready to handle this and are gonna present some extreme volatility.

Russia very much needs Ukraine.

Historically, Russia has survived many invasions simply because the supply lines to Moscow were too long, and the invader’s soldiers either starved or froze to death. If Ukraine joins NATO, rather than under Finlandization and become neutral, Moscow is only a stone’s throw away.

Additionally, the land from Kyiv to Moscow is all farmland. From every other country, it’s either dense forest, mountains, or desert. Ukraine is the easiest path by which to invade Russia by land.

For Russia, Ukraine is a national security issue.

Putin is NOT acting alone here! As of now, Russia & China are in the NWO, so they take their directives from the Hierarchy of the NWO. Unfortunately, I believe this move is to trigger a much larger Crisis.

 

[BuzzAroundTiger]

Wait!?! Our Secretary of State is named Blinkin?!?

 

[dbjork6317]

Also a good lesson that the perception of a weak leader in the White House encourages bad actors abroad.

What lesson should we take away about the leadership in the White House when his supporters feel encouraged to invade their own capitol?

Amazing how many conservatives are frothing at the mouth to call this President weak because a foreign country might invade another foreign country yet continue to shrug off the literal insurrection attempt that occurred under the previous administration.

 

[acwill07]

Putin is NOT acting alone here! As of now, Russia & China are in the NWO, so they take their directives from the Hierarchy of the NWO. Unfortunately, I believe this move is to trigger a much larger Crisis.

I knew you were gonna show up ITT sooner or later you rascal.

 

[areeves]

I knew you were gonna show up ITT sooner or later you rascal.

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