America last.
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I love this because the illiterate dumbasses that voted for this retarded Democrat deserve what they’re experiencing in the US. 😂😂
This just proves what an imbecile you are. The OP made up a controversy that makes no sense and you claim it shows how dumb Democrats are.
Israel had over a thousand citizens slaughtered, communities burned down and hundreds of hostages taken but if the first hostages released aren't American, that's somehow Biden's fault and makes him a bad President? He should have a magic wand that he waves and terrorists should do what he wants? For someone who constantly squawks about others not having critical thinking skills, you constantly prove that you don't have a lick of sense.
Calling other people dumb doesn't make you smart, but your vulgar, childish insults do make you trash.
Thanks for making my case. Lol
No American hostages were released and he is a smartass to me. Like I said America last.
There are 200+ people that still haven't been released but if the 1st release doesn't include Americans, how does that make it Biden's fault? These are terrorisrts we're talking about, it's not like we could sanction their country.
How about you stop being a dumbass troll who invents controversies and I'll stop being a smartass to you.
You should really stop. We all know you didn’t go to college (not a requirement for intelligence but may grow some common sense) and are embarrassing yourself.
Also, you’re a huge hypocrite from all you posted lately. Stfu, seriously you’re an embarrassment to Clemson as is your butt buddy in this forum
Again and again , proving how @dpic73 is clueless. Please leave TI and I’ll give Chris your yearly membership fee. Lol
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Israel doesn't even know who's getting released until Hamas sends word each day. The same is true in reverse. That's the arrangement they've come to. When Biden says he doesn't know, he's telling the truth.
It's highly possible that the CIA and Shin Bet don't know where all the hostages are kept. Even if they did know, it's not exactly easy to go and get them. Hamas held Gilad Shalit for over 5 years without Israel securing his rescue. Worst case scenario, a rescue op fails, we lose soldiers, and hostages get executed. Boy I'm sure that would go over well here at home. We've already lost Delta Force guys to a "helicopter crash in the Mediterranean." So what's Biden to do? Threaten Hamas with bombs and sanctions? They wouldn't be moved in the slightest.
If you want to maximize the number of people coming home, negotiation's your best option. If you don't want to negotiate with Hamas, fine, but you better be ready to tell their families that you weren't willing to cut a deal. Hamas is very much willing to talk for the right price. If Israel's judged that the good PR is worth it, so be it.
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I share your assessment on that crew
America land of the free and home of the brave
I have most of that posse on ignore as what value does one get from discussions with them
None in my book so just ignore and not waste my time
Well said - this requires some tricky diplomacy with no easy solutions and that's why it can't be reduced to a simpleton take that Biden didn't bring the American hostages home first. Israel has just experienced a horrific trauma with the most Jews killed at one time since the Holocaust but the OP thinks we should selfishly demand that our ten citizens should be released first and if they aren't it's because Biden did something wrong.
There's always a cost to these type of hostage deals and if Biden had swung a deal to get the Americans out first, the cost would have been enormous and the OP would have then complained about what he gave up - but that also assumes Hamas would listen to him in the first place.
It appears that Hamas and Israel totally control which hostages/prisoners get released. To blame anyone because Americans aren't getting released first is absurd.
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Contrary to popular belief, the US president doesn't have a magic wand.
FWIW (which is admittedly nothing) we should never, ever negotiate for hostages. Doing so only ensures there will be more such hostage taking in the future.
America, like Israel, should be committed to hunting down the hostage takers and making them realize the price to be paid for these barbaric acts is more than they are willing to bear. It may take a while, but they should be made to know that their death warrants have been signed and they will be served--that the outcome is certain. Their only options are to release the hostages unharmed and surrender or face certain death. The whole world should be united and resolved to this end.
I believe the sentiment is that if we (America) had more clout, or there was genuine fear of sustained and targeted reprisal from us that American hostages would be among the earlier hostages to be released.
I wish Biden were a President capable of projecting such clout. He is not. I am not sure anyone is.
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Tell that to the families of 200+ people. Given Israel's population, that's more than 6,000 Americans. The moment you make it clear that you aren't negotiating, their lives are forfeit. It's not a video game. Revenge isn't bringing people back.
The agreement is not even that Israel will end the war! It's simply to have a temporary ceasefire while women and children get sent home and a bit of aid gets moved into Gaza.
The whole world should be united and resolved to the end of not being simpletons
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What exactly do you want the US to do to Hamas that Israel isn't already doing? Bomb them? Not particularly effective at this stage, will wind up killing civilians and making us look bad. Send in special forces? The odds of the hostages being held in a known, easily accessed location are slim to none. Sanction them? They already are sanctioned and can get around it one way or another.
When you put a special emphasis on Americans, the price goes up. That's not the art of the deal.
There are times when diplomacy is more important than clout. This is one of them.
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You can’t say you’re “America first” and then be committed to the absolute idea “Never negotiate with terrorists.” You negotiate if it’s in your interest to do it, and you don’t negotiate if not. You think Israel likes Hamas? Hell no, but if Hamas’s asking price is reasonable, which it is, you cut a deal.
For whatever the distinction means here, Hamas isn’t ISIS.
Hamas is an Islamic terrorist organization that welcomes martyrdom so threatening them with death isn't the flex you think it would be. This takes careful negotiations and I don't see any chance of release without an exchange of Palestinian prisoners, and as a reminder, none of these hostages would have been released without a ceasefire deal, which Biden was largely reponsible for and was against Israel's wishes.
Update: an American child was just released.
Biden did this and Biden did that. Plus of course no Americans released is not on Biden. Funny how that works.
An American was just released simpleton. What will you say when the rest are released?
Sound great give Biden all the credit for the release of the 4 year old. Still plenty more to go.
We know there is going to be a controlled release so explain why it's so important that the Americans are released first? Are you saying that if they're all released tomorrow, Biden failed? This has been Israel's horror but you've strangely turned it into a referendum on Biden. Are you just trolling here because it's hard to believe you could be this dumb?
For them Biden will be wrong no matter what he does. They are blinded by partisan hate.
Remember these are the same dipshits who blamed Biden for the fact that hamas was able to invade Israel and kidnap people in the first place.
Apparently Biden did not activate the IDf quickly enough.
Biden should be the Great Oz and if summin summin bad happens somewhere, that means he's not a good president, derp
These are also the same people that say Biden will take their gas stoves because he hate pies and happy people.
We have, supposedly, the strongest military in the world. That equates to plenty of clout.
I agree that's it's an absolutely terrible thing to have to tell the families. I'm glad I am not the one having to make those decisions.
To be clear, this is not about revenge. It's about cause and effect. You take noncombatats, you forfeit your cause and your right to exist. You negotiate with subhuman sadist, you give sanction to their methods and guarantee they'll do it again.
I'm not sure I agree with the way Israel is prosecuting this war....but Hamas should not have poked the bear.
No, I do not want to see us bomb Hamas or anything like that. But we should be engaged and there must be consequences for taking American non-combatant hostages. The consequences must be such that they regret ever taking them.
Agreed, but was only responding to the notion that this was "a time for diplomacy, not clout". Diplomacy proceeds from clout. I'm not sure Biden is regarded as having much clout, as evidenced by American hostages apparently not being among those released.
I don't entirely disagree with your position. I have jumped into this thread to flesh out this every notion (of it being a mistake to negotiate with Hamas).
I read a news article yesterday where a former higher up in the IDF or Massod or somewhere up in the Israeli government was saying that Israel should have never permitted the families to go public with their pleas for their loved ones. He goes on to say that, in the extreme, these families should even be detained to silence them. His position is that it threatens the successful prosecution of the war and will ultimately cost more lives for everyone on both sides. I certainly don't agree with his harsh handling of the families, but there is merit to the position of it compromising the war and costing more lives both in the near term and the long run.
I suppose if you know where all the hostages are being held then clout might be an option. But you can't just go barging in because it could result in a lot of unnecessary death.
I don't get this. Why is it important to push this largely false notion? Their near-team aims may be different but their mode of operation is the same. The things that shock and appall you about ISIS are that same things that should shock and appall you about Hamas.
