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TigerGrowls

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Makes some sense. Hypersonic missiles change the strategy. Need ships for sure but need other stuff too. I am sure Hegseth and team are all over it.

 
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Makes some sense. Hypersonic missiles change the strategy. Need ships for sure but need other stuff too. I am sure Hegseth and team are all over it.

With the advent of relatively cheap loitering precision weapons and hypersonics, Mass as a principle of war, has regained prominence over maneuver at least until defensive measures catch up.

A couple really really expensive but very capable things can be overwhelmed by a large number of inexpensive things. The other factor is that if you only have a few of something eve if very very capable you will be very very hesitant to risk that thing, therefore it will never produce the full value that you expect on the battlefield. We have told ourselves that the "mass" of our precision fires will counter "mass" produced by lots of people or inferior equipment. Well, the bad guys now have precision fires too and in quantity because "good enough" is cheap(er) and easier to produce now.

The other thing that impacts is the likely approach that your enemy has to warfare. Western way of war has long focused on maneuver...seizing key terrain, centers of commerce and transportation or governance. However what you see in Ukraine is Russia has shifted from their initial maneuver based approach and has instead, shifted focus on waging grinding war of attrition. Terrain and maneuver is less important, the focus is on the enemy force and forcing it to engage and suffer losses. They decisive factor in this type of warfare is the ability to generate new forces / weapons and employ them well enough to continue to bleed your enemy until it can no longer sustain the fight.

US experience in the Civil War and to a lesser extent WWI has really made attritional warfare something that is not discussed, or planned for. It is just not the way we want to fight, and not what the American people expect of their military officers. Each individual life matters. But what of China?

A confllict with China will be initially very bloody. Once bloodied it's illogical to expect that a first-rate power such as the US or China for that matter would simply give up. Nope. A very likely outcome is that it would turn into a war of attrition. Are we prepared for that? Doctrinally? What about weapons stockpiles? Ships? Ability to draft mobilize and train manpower? Our industrial base?
 
Hell yeah, MIC is loving this idea.
The problem is that we high fived ourselves following the breakup of the soviet union and wasted the "peace dividend" and let our high end capabilities age/atrophy over time. We then we focused on "Whack a mole" in the middle east, wich the MIC was too happy to support with a lot of stuff that doesn't really move the needle in a high end fight.

We could have/should have gotten out of Afghanistan probably by 2004 or maybe 2006. Put Dostum or whomever hated the jihadis the most in charge with promise of funding and support if he kept a lid on things as well as promise of a JDAM and us coming back to do a repeat if he could not. Maybe kept Bagram Airbase, maybe not. It would have been much cheaper and we would have saved a lot of americans from death and injury.
 
Defense contractors are super smart about big-ticket weapon systems. Whether it's the F-35 or an aircraft carrier, they have learned that if they want to make sure their weapon programs stay funded, they build something for that F-35 or aircraft carrier in each state. This can be them as the prime or subcontractors they use.

Very few members of Congress are going to kill a weapons program that will take money and jobs from their state.

Musk is in for a rude awakening if he is going to change that process.
 
Since when is Musk an expert on weapons systems? Also, our weapons have beat the shit out of Russia by proxy for the last few years so not really sure what the issue is?
 
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