American State of Health
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We made advancements in medicine that gave us a better understanding of these diseases and made it easier to diagnose them?
Vitamin C makes no money for the machine.
I pissed off a bunch of pro-vaxxers with this post 🤣.
For the thinking people, high dose vitamin C, especially via an IV, floods the cells with vitamin C and that causes hydrogen peroxide to be released, immediately killing pathogens. Dr. Klenner cured ALL of his POLIO patients with high dose vitamin C. And in fact, high dose vitamin C has been used to cure, prevent and/or successfully treat virtually every disease you can name, including COVID.
Remember that HCQ study done by the University of Washington where they concluded that HCQ was no more effective than the PLACEBO? That study that was used in part to claim that HCQ wouldn’t work and instead we had to go with vaccines?
Do you know what that “PLACEBO” was?
You guessed it: VITAMIN C!!!
Now why in the world would they use vitamin C as a PLACEBO?!
Because it works, that’s why. And if two things work in a (fake) study, then the CLAIM can be made that the target being studied is no more effective than the placebo.
It’s all still online. Do some Google searches and post what the placebo was (ascorbic acid was the “official” term).
Let us not forget 24 gram vitamin C IVs were used early on in Asia to cure COVID - zero deaths.
And @TamaseseEdwin used vitamin C (and either A or D) to cure measles in children in Samoa in 2019 and he was thrown in jail for saving lives.
Get the book “Curing the Incurable” if you want details on why vitamin C is such a powerful healer and therefore why the medical mafia do not use it.
I pissed off a bunch of pro-vaxxers with this post 🤣.
For the thinking people, high dose vitamin C, especially via an IV, floods the cells with vitamin C and that causes hydrogen peroxide to be released, immediately killing pathogens. Dr. Klenner cured ALL of his POLIO patients with high dose vitamin C. And in fact, high dose vitamin C has been used to cure, prevent and/or successfully treat virtually every disease you can name, including COVID.
Remember that HCQ study done by the University of Washington where they concluded that HCQ was no more effective than the PLACEBO? That study that was used in part to claim that HCQ wouldn’t work and instead we had to go with vaccines?
Do you know what that “PLACEBO” was?
You guessed it: VITAMIN C!!!
Now why in the world would they use vitamin C as a PLACEBO?!
Because it works, that’s why. And if two things work in a (fake) study, then the CLAIM can be made that the target being studied is no more effective than the placebo.
It’s all still online. Do some Google searches and post what the placebo was (ascorbic acid was the “official” term).
Let us not forget 24 gram vitamin C IVs were used early on in Asia to cure COVID - zero deaths.
And @TamaseseEdwin used vitamin C (and either A or D) to cure measles in children in Samoa in 2019 and he was thrown in jail for saving lives.
Get the book “Curing the Incurable” if you want details on why vitamin C is such a powerful healer and therefore why the medical mafia do not use it.
Japan's obesity rate is 3%.
America's obesity rate is 40%.
And guess what?
No one in Japan is doing paleo, vegan, or carnivore diets.
They're just eating REAL FOOD.
None of our processed junk.
Meanwhile, we're over here fasting, cold plunging, and complicating our lives.
In Japan, they just eat normally and walk around.
RFK, please fix our damn country!
They also drive about 10% as much as we do. Live completely different lifestyles and morals.
Oh, and don’t forget it’s an Island nation and all the fun stuff you said during covid still applies here.
A lot of trust was lost with Covid.
The forced vaccinations and vaccine passport policies were disasturous and not grounded in science. No doctors stood up to the tyrant Fauci, bar a few that were censored.
This is what happens when you censor speech and lose trust. Take notes.
They weren't disastrous at all. It only took 5 minutes to get a safe and simple shot that wouldn't have prevented you from going anywhere. I have no sympathy for you fools whose entire belief system about covid revolves around the fact that Trump lost and had nothing to do with actual science. If he had won, we would have seen magat parades a mile long to get that shot and you'd all be yammering about how amazing Operation Warp Speed was.
Cry me a river boo-hoo
That's still no excuse for allowing MMR and polio to run wild because you're still mad at mean Mr Biden. It's sheer stupidity and dangerous for the rest of us.
It has nothing to do with Trump.
Explain how forcing an expiremental shot on people who don’t need it, is a good thing without mentioning Trump. He has nothing to do with it. I’ll wait.
But no worries. I’m glad they did that shit, because the citizenry will never cooperate with that communist bullshit again.
Can you imagine if they tried to implement a mask mandate here in SC again? They would get laughed off the face of the earth.
It wasn't experimental, in fact it was 60 years in the making and hundreds of thousands of volunters over the years participated in safety trials, including ~ 10,000 for the covid vaccine.
If Trump had nothing to do with it, how did it become such a stark ideological divide with one side trusting the science and the other calling it "experimental" when it was no such thing.
Is it because magas are smarter than the rest of the population or............?
If it wasn't experimental, why the need to change the definition of "vaccine"?
You would at least think that if it was not something new, it would at least fit the traditional definition. Which it did not, so they changed the definition so that the new shot would meet the definition of vaccine.
I'm not going round and round with you on this subject knowing that you'll keep moving the goalposts in a lame attempt to pretend that you had legitimate concerns that weren't ideological.
My point remains and I will always stand by it.
Two things:
- Not everyone skipped the shot for political reasons. Trump, Biden... had nothing to do with my family's decision to not get the Covid vaccine. We were perfectly healthy, all under 40 at the time, no comorbidities, etc. No reason for it, particularly given the rushed nature and limited testing.
- The idealogical divide is more about trusting big government than just the shot. Dems want big government. They want handouts. They want entitlements. They want big government programs all around and in their lives. Generally, republicans are skeptical of government, want less of it in their lives and prioritize independence and individual freedom. Those ideological differences played out in how each side approached Covid, whether it be masking, the vaccine, school closures, etc.
Your second point contradicts your first, so in a sense my point remains. Not much difference between political and ideological IMO
Sometimes I think we'll never understand each other because the decision to get vaccinated for me and everyone I know had nothing to do with the government. It was simply a decision to protect our health and more importantly public health. Vaccines are a miracle of science and they've helped eradicate or control many many diseases in the last 75+ years.
It never crossed my mind that my decision would be dependent on who the president was or what the government wanted me to do. I trust the science and once the vaccine was approved, that was good enough for me. So what if you didn't end up needing it....you didn't know that at the time and it wasn't harmful so there was no good reason to not get it unless your choice was ideological....which again shouldn't get muddled together with public health/science.
I have no sympathy for assholes who force medication on others. They should be in jail.
Nobody forced anybody to do anything. Your point only applies to companies with 100,000+ employees, the military and and members of the medical community who work with many immunocompromised patients, but even then you had a choice.
My choice was a decison that included my concern for you - yours was a decision that disregarded me and my loved ones.
No sympathy
Right... So how much did the "science" change on the vaccine? It was supposed to stop you from getting it. It didn't. It was supposed to stop you from spreading it. It didn't. And you can talk all you want about historical vaccines, but with Covid specifically (not MRNA generally), there were no longitudinal studies proving both efficacy and long-term safety.
I'm very happy with the decision we made. My family remains very healthy. In fact, we were just talking the other day about some of our friends' kids who seem to "catch everything" and are constantly sick. Many of these families load up on covid and flu vaccines. We take/took neither and amazingly, none of us have had the flu (I don't think I've ever had it and my kids have never had it) and a couple brushes with covid have been super minor.
Many historical vaccines have been gamechangers from a pop health standpoint. Small pox, polio... great! But we attempted to rush a vaccine for a rapidly mutating virus and force it on people who everyone knew were exceptionally low risk for any sort of complication. In fact, "the science" clearly showed that people under 50 (and especially kids) with no comorbidities were extremely low risk. So we did in fact "trust the science."
Right... So how much did the "science" change on the vaccine? It was supposed to stop you from getting it. It didn't. It was supposed to stop you from spreading it. It didn't. And you can talk all you want about historical vaccines, but with Covid specifically (not MRNA generally), there were no longitudinal studies proving both efficacy and long-term safety.
I'm very happy with the decision we made. My family remains very healthy. In fact, we were just talking the other day about some of our friends' kids who seem to "catch everything" and are constantly sick. Many of these families load up on covid and flu vaccines. We take/took neither and amazingly, none of us have had the flu (I don't think I've ever had it and my kids have never had it) and a couple brushes with covid have been super minor.
Many historical vaccines have been gamechangers from a pop health standpoint. Small pox, polio... great! But we attempted to rush a vaccine for a rapidly mutating virus and force it on people who everyone knew were exceptionally low risk for any sort of complication. In fact, "the science" clearly showed that people under 50 (and especially kids) with no comorbidities were extremely low risk. So we did in fact "trust the science."
Whole I largely agree with you, I will say that the main reasoning for broad vaccine use amongst people who were less vulnerable was to help slow transmission. Sure kids didn't get very sick in schools, but they spread it far and wide and got others sick.
That was the idea, yes. But then we learned that the vaccine wasn't really stopping people from spreading it.
True, but it did perhaps buy some time for science to figure out treatments and how the disease was changing.
I really think we need to remember how unknown all of it was.
Again, I agree with you about physical fitness and eating a good diet as we have discussed many times. You, nor I was at much risk from covid, or most other seasonal sicknesses, but sadly, we aren't close to the norm in America.
Dear Dr Scotchi
We've had these discussions before and you've repeatedly been noted for your brilliant 20/20 hind/foresight so we don't need to be reminded. The next time a pandemic comes along, we will come to you first so you can look into your magic 8-ball and tell us what we should do in the present. Sigh
Again, you're pretending to have concerns with the trials after you've already admitted that you're an ideological dissenter, hence not moved that you had reservations about the safety or the way the studies were conducted. <buzzer sounds>
We will also never know how effective the original vaccine would have been due to all the anti-vaxxers who decided to let it spread and mutate uncontrollably to own the libs. Don't ignore that before pointing out what you learned after it mutated over time.
You're an example of the kind of misinformation that gets spread around by the right by claiming that you and your family are healthier and therefore smarter due to your anecdotal evidence about your kids friends. There is no evidence or proof that getting vaccines makes you vulnerable to other illnesses, which makes that a dangerous message to spread as someone who trusts you might make a bad decision based on your "propaganda" Just take a daily Flintstones, get some sun and keep your waistline below 32" Dr Scotchi said! Derp
I'd also note that even though I like you because you're smart and somewhat reasonable, it seems that all your life decisions revolve around you without regard for the greater good. As long as you get your tax cuts, screw the damage that will be done to everyone else who will suffer under the orange moron. And since you didn't get really sick with covid, screw the other people you may have infected.
The science you later learned did not make you smarter, better or healthier than anyone else and you do not know better than the world's scientific community. Taking the vaccine wouldn't have harmed you so not taking it should not be touted as something you're proud of.
Was one of them as painless as taking five minutes to get a little prick from a needle?
Irrelevant … saying “nobody forced anyone to do anything … you had a choice” when one of those choices was essentially “if you don’t do this, you’ll lose your livelihood” is peak douchbaggery.Was one of them as painless as taking five minutes to get a little prick from a needle?
Then get the safe little prick and don't worry about it anymore. Companies have a right to do what they think is best to protect all their employees as a whole and when that thing is quick and harmless, the people rebelling for political reasons are choosing "douchebaggery"
Your exaggerations and avoidance of my previous points is annoying.
No hindsight was required to know that Covid primarily affected the elderly, obese and those with other comorbidities. We knew this in spring/summer of 2020, long before the vaccine was available.
No hindsight was required to know how my body and my son’s body reacted to Covid. We both had it in December of 2020, before the vaccine was available. I had symptoms for 36 hours and my son had symptoms for 24 hours. Our bodies quickly and efficiently dispatched the virus. Why on earth would we want to mess with such an effective natural immune response?
So all experts and scientists agreed in 2020 (at least anyone who looked at the data) that my family was exceptionally low risk. Additionally, we had first hand proof that our specific bodies could easily and efficiently combat Covid. So why exactly should we have felt compelled to get the vaccine?
I didn’t say I was an ideological dissenter. I said Republicans tend to distrust government more than dems, who absolutely LOVE big government in their lives. They want it. They need it. They crave it.
As I have said countless times, taxes aren’t the only reason I vote republican. I’ve even said I’m not asking for additional cuts until spending is reigned in. There’s a litany of reasons the leftist political philosophy is worse for this country.
And yes, the best defense against Covid was - unless you were older or had complicating conditions - maintaining a healthy weight, eating well, exercising, getting outside and taking vitamins.
Want proof? Who do you think was more likely to have major issues with Covid - a triple vaxxed morbidly obese person or me? You know the answer. Lifestyle was the best medicine.
Companies weren’t afforded that “right”. They were told that if their employees did NOT get the jab, they would lose their government contracts.
That's not entirely accurate. It slowed the spread/dampened the effects of the original strains of the virus. The problem was the virus was evolving faster and new variants were coming out more quickly than the boosters were being developed and released.
The post I made that started this was a graph that showed all childhood vaccinations are falling with a headline that states " Right-wing media and disinformation is literally going to kill our kids." I stand by that and then when you make an anti-vaxxer the head of HHS, the problem is only going to get worse.
This should not be about you, it should be about public health and using adjectives like "smart" and "proud" in relation to not taking the vaccine do not help. If you aren't interested in being a responsible citizen, then fine but don't go around publicly bragging about your choice not to participate.
I really wasn't trying to re-litigate covid but I will repeat, the spread was slowed with the original strain and the vaccine that was made to target it specifically. If everyone had taken it then, it may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
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This was a new virus and you didn't know at that time that it would quickly mutate and if you did, you didn't know that it would be a less deadly strain - it could have easily been worse and posed a greater threat to you and your family, you just didn't know, hence there was no good reason not to take it.
Bragging about it after the fact is not helpful
The post I made that started this was a graph that showed all childhood vaccinations are falling with a headline that states " Right-wing media and disinformation is literally going to kill our kids." I stand by that and then when you make an anti-vaxxer the head of HHS, the problem is only going to get worse.
This should not be about you, it should be about public health and using adjectives like "smart" and "proud" in relation to not taking the vaccine do not help. If you aren't interested in being a responsible citizen, then fine but don't go around publicly bragging about your choice not to participate.
I really wasn't trying to re-litigate covid but I will repeat, the spread was slowed with the original strain and the vaccine that was made to target it specifically. If everyone had taken it then, it may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
mRNA Vaccines against SARS-CoV-2: Advantages and Caveats - PMC
The application of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 infection has constituted a determinant resource to control the COVID-19 pandemic. Since the beginning of 2021, millions of doses have been administered in several countries of ...Comparing the clinical efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines: a systematic review and network meta-analysis - PMC
New Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines are available to prevent the ongoing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic. We compared the efficacy of new COVID-19 vaccines to prevent symptomatic and severe disease ...
This was a new virus and you didn't know at that time that it would quickly mutate and if you did, you didn't know that it would be a less deadly strain - it could have easily been worse and posed a greater threat to you and your family, you just didn't know, hence there was no good reason not to take it.
Bragging about it after the fact is not helpful
Regarding mutation, there was plenty of information out there that suggested that as viruses mutate, they become less deadly. They want to survive and propagate. Killing their hosts isn’t a good way to do that. So yes, there was scientific evidence that Covid was likely to get milder, not stronger. Another evidence-based justification for my decision.
Ok, again I'm not trying to re-litigate covid, but with vaccine skepticism at an all-time high, it would be helpful if you didn't tout your decision as a smart thing to do. That's all.
While true for most viruses, COVID was the exception since Beta, Gamma, and Alpha were the most deadly - in that order - and the other variants became less deadly after further mutations.
