Any legal experts on the board
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You mean the same logic that SC (along with all other states) used to highly tax cigarettes and tobacco products?
No. It's not even close to the same logic. I already pay Taxes for my children to go to School. If there are increased costs associated with that then they are free to increase my Taxes, which they do all the time.
When a product is taxed, I still have the choice as to whether or not to buy the product. Some are taxed higher, and that's equivalent to like an Excise Tax. If taxes are overburdened there on a specific product, the consumers of that product petition the Government and go from there.
The equivalent logic here (remember the post I was directly responding to), would be:
- Cigarettes/Tobacco product usage increases space taken up in Healthcare facilities, etc AND increase insurance premiums therefore the Government should ban the use of them.
- NOT wearing face coverings in school increases space taken up in Healthcare facilities, etc AND increase insurance premiums therefore the Government should ban the practice.
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Not trying to be an ass, but you might benefit from option C. Pick up the phone and have a real, honest, science based conversation with a leading children’s pulmonologist (many have significant experience in epidemiology). Listen to them about the important differences between Delta and earlier iterations of Covid in how they impact children, especially those who aren’t old enough to be vaccinated. Discuss masks with that doctor as well. I’m writing this from experience as we have had lengthy chats with the top pulmonary docs in the world at Children’s Hospital in Boston. If what they tell you won’t change your mind or open your eyes…then stick with option A or B.
Then we should also kill everyone who is overweight. They are also responsible for overcrowded hospitals and premium hikes. Should we put a mandate that you can eat no more than 2000 calories?
Before you go with over eating doesn't have an affect on others, remember there is an entire continent that suffers from hunger.
Not a lawyer but I do consider myself a legal expert.
Don't know the answer to this though, unfortunately.
Don't know the answer to this though, unfortunately.
You didn’t address the disgusting part.So the question wasn’t about whether or not they were effective, but why someone would feel so strongly against wearing a face covering they would pull their kids out of a quality school.
But since you brought it up….the abundance of data in support of mask use last year must not have convinced you. How about some new research and recommendations?
Face Masks and Other Prevention Strategies
The AAP advises cloth face coverings can be safely worn by all children age 2 years and older, including the vast majority of children with underlying health conditions, with rare exception. In addition to protecting the child, cloth face coverings significantly reduce the spread of severe acute...www.aap.org
UAB study, among others, shows masks are effective in preventing spread of COVID-19
Studies conducted in America and around the world definitively show that masks are an effective tool in reducing the rate of injection of COVID-19.www.uab.edu
Researchers from NC State, UNC study effectiveness of masks, random testing in schools
The study found without masks and random testing, more than 75 percent of students would get COVID-19 over a semester.www.cbs17.com
Can face masks protect against COVID-19?
Face masks can help slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Learn about mask types, which masks to use and how to use them.www.mayoclinic.org
And for every study you link that says they work I can post 2 that says they dont.
Masks are over because they are ineffective and disgusting.
They do, however, make it very easy for me to tell who the idiots are.
Yep it's the same ones who are coaches, recruiting experts, offensive coordinator, life, yep
So the question wasn’t about whether or not they were effective, but why someone would feel so strongly against wearing a face covering they would pull their kids out of a quality school.
But since you brought it up….the abundance of data in support of mask use last year must not have convinced you. How about some new research and recommendations?
Face Masks and Other Prevention Strategies
The AAP advises cloth face coverings can be safely worn by all children age 2 years and older, including the vast majority of children with underlying health conditions, with rare exception. In addition to protecting the child, cloth face coverings significantly reduce the spread of severe acute...
UAB study, among others, shows masks are effective in preventing spread of COVID-19
Studies conducted in America and around the world definitively show that masks are an effective tool in reducing the rate of injection of COVID-19.
Researchers from NC State, UNC study effectiveness of masks, random testing in schools
The study found without masks and random testing, more than 75 percent of students would get COVID-19 over a semester.
Can face masks protect against COVID-19?
Face masks can help slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Learn about mask types, which masks to use and how to use them.
The only problem with those studies is there was no control group to compare.
They claim transmission was minimal in schools where kids wore masks. Okay, fine. What about schools that didn't wear masks?
I hate to rain on your parade but the students at my kids school last year had a mask mandates but it was a joke and quite frankly impossible to implement. Little kids don't wear them all day, they don't wear masks that provide protection (sponge bob gator), they don't wear them properly (nose not covered), they didn't wear them while playing outside (no physical distancing and kids breathing hard all over each other), etc. But guess what? They never spread the disease. Maybe 6 cases all year.
So you really want to tell me the science is settled regarding masking in schools?
Surprised the thread is only two pages so far. Maybe people are losing interest.
So people are idiots for listening to medical experts such as their doctors as opposed to some random internet guy who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express? Okie Dokie.
oh goodness, are you suggesting that a mask is the only variable that’s leading to these results? Just curious.
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I’m not passionate about It but my limited first hand knowledge is that kids are Getting and transmitting the delta variant much more than than last year so far. That’s my life experience with it. No idea if being maskless is the reason.
Extreme, yes. It's more a point of where you draw the line with how much government interaction you need/ want in your life. In today's climate, everything is politicized to the max, and both sides should be hesitant to believe anything that comes out or the mouth of a politician or any organization(s) who rely on government funding.
Same argument I have for the making the vax mandatory. If the government can force you to put something in your body, what's to stop them from taking something out?
A lot of these medical experts work for organizations that require government funding.
Do you still think Marijuana makes African Americans violent?
I've seen some old studies that "medical experts" believed this to be true
Lol at the "why are we now doing things differently from the past centuries"
1918 Pandemic in the U.S.:
Kids wearing masks
People in Nebraska wearing masks
Police in Seattle wearing masks
Wearing masks when out in the street...
So, yeah, there's totally no precedent for wearing masks in the U.S. during a pandemic... What's the conspiracy again, it's an evil plot by the MSM and evil healthcare system to turn people into Muslims, right? Or it is a way for the illuminati to insert micro chips into us and surveil us with 5G?
In people's defense, idiocracy isn't a recent thing, it was a problem back then too...
Words of wisdom from one of the most liked Tweets on Twitter
1918 Pandemic in the U.S.:
Kids wearing masks
People in Nebraska wearing masks
Police in Seattle wearing masks
Wearing masks when out in the street...
So, yeah, there's totally no precedent for wearing masks in the U.S. during a pandemic... What's the conspiracy again, it's an evil plot by the MSM and evil healthcare system to turn people into Muslims, right? Or it is a way for the illuminati to insert micro chips into us and surveil us with 5G?
In people's defense, idiocracy isn't a recent thing, it was a problem back then too...
Words of wisdom from one of the most liked Tweets on Twitter
I really like the microchip conspiracy theory. There are some stretches there.Lol at the "why are we now doing things differently from the past centuries"
1918 Pandemic in the U.S.:
Kids wearing masks
People in Nebraska wearing masks
Police in Seattle wearing masks
Wearing masks when out in the street...
So, yeah, there's totally no precedent for wearing masks in the U.S. during a pandemic... What's the conspiracy again, it's an evil plot by the MSM and evil healthcare system to turn people into Muslims, right? Or it is a way for the illuminati to insert micro chips into us and surveil us with 5G?
In people's defense, idiocracy isn't a recent thing, it was a problem back then too...
Words of wisdom from one of the most liked Tweets on Twitter
My medical experts are my doctors. The ones I see periodically. If I ignore their advise, where should I go to get information? Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, TigerIllustrated? Maybe if I read enough articles on the web I too can become an expert.
Save your breath …..your 1st post said it best ….. people willing to change school districts over a mask 😷 is all you need to know….. that’s their priority…. A gd mask …. It’s laughable but certainly their right to try to change schools etc smhSo the question wasn’t about whether or not they were effective, but why someone would feel so strongly against wearing a face covering they would pull their kids out of a quality school.
But since you brought it up….the abundance of data in support of mask use last year must not have convinced you. How about some new research and recommendations?
Face Masks and Other Prevention Strategies
The AAP advises cloth face coverings can be safely worn by all children age 2 years and older, including the vast majority of children with underlying health conditions, with rare exception. In addition to protecting the child, cloth face coverings significantly reduce the spread of severe acute...
UAB study, among others, shows masks are effective in preventing spread of COVID-19
Studies conducted in America and around the world definitively show that masks are an effective tool in reducing the rate of injection of COVID-19.
Researchers from NC State, UNC study effectiveness of masks, random testing in schools
The study found without masks and random testing, more than 75 percent of students would get COVID-19 over a semester.
Can face masks protect against COVID-19?
Face masks can help slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Learn about mask types, which masks to use and how to use them.
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So what your saying is we f’ed up by being so cautious this past year when we would of been better off to actually let our kids get covid before it mutated… my position has always been to let it run its course and because we didn’t it’s now gotten worse.
who’s to say if our kids don’t get it now and get some kind of immunity by the time we get to zeta it will be killing them all right?
Highly recommend the following book, the first 3 chapters explain how this type of stuff happens and how people self-justify their behavior. Learned crazy stuff like our memory will change facts/details so that we can stay internally consistent. It was originally a defense mechanism otherwise we would always dwell on the past and go into downward spiral. But now we are using it to strengthen our biases...
Mistakes Were Made (but Not by Me) Third Edition: Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts
Well considering they are statistically more likely to die riding their bikes, 4 wheelers or swimming in a pool and I let them do those I guess I don’t right?
That's not what I was getting at. Personally, I listen to my doctor(s) as well. I've also gotten 2nd opinions from others, when I was 100% in agreement with them. My doctor told my mother(cancer survivor) to get the vax. He also told me he didn't think I needed to get it.
I'm referencing medical professionals who are doing the research into the virus, vax, etc. A lot of these MD's work for organizations with big time government funding.
I'm not debating whether your, or my Doctors are right or wrong.
I'm just saying, I'm skeptical of most things I hear now days.
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I could care less but I am curious about the anti mask crowd.
what are the biggest downsides? Is this that far off from “no shirt, no shoes, no service?” Again, I really don’t care either way. Just an curious.
what are the biggest downsides? Is this that far off from “no shirt, no shoes, no service?” Again, I really don’t care either way. Just an curious.
So you challenge all the published scientific findings by citing what happened at your kids schoool?
I did address the disgusting part. Politicizing a health pandemic. People die because of this. That’s unforgivable.
You forgot the word credible….credible studies that I posted. You cannot site two in return. They simply don’t exist.
Can someone explain why numbers are exploding in masked school districts in La, OR, NC, etc just as much as Pickens if masks work?
What are the “published scientific findings”? Is it just the data linked from the CDC?
See post 19 for links to info on studies done and findings given by credible institutions
Report: 70% of elementary school students may be infected with COVID-19 within three months without masks
Pinar Keskinocak, William W. George Chair and Professor in the School of Industrial and Systems Engineering at Georgia Tech, joins Yahoo Finance to discuss her recent research on the impacts of masking and vaccines on the spread of COVID-19 in schools.
Already looked @ half of them. I’ll post thoughts if you’re willing to go through it. I’ll change my viewpoint if proven wrong by legitimate data.
I really, really don't want to get into this discussion.
But you, my friend, just made me.
If peope don't agree with the other side, those people are wrong.
And, I could say the same thing with rougher language and still be right.
YOU just used the term "...all the published scientific findings..."
hahahahahah
You meant to say all the ones that YOU want to agree with.
Sorta a slip up there, my man.
Notthing wrong with strongly believeing something.
Either
Way
I'm out of this thread
I would typically be happy to, but I’ve spent enough (too much) time on this today. Off to spend quality time with the family. Have a great weekend!
Yes, because those studies are just as anecdotal as mine.
They are "projections" of "what might have been" if masks were not worn.
No control group. That is trail data 101, or it should be.
I find it fascinating that masks had been proven ineffective by numerous legitimate trails before Covid came along. Fauci himself said masks were pointless.. Now those findings are silenced so we can virtue signal.
my point is who cares that much to withdraw their student over a piece of cloth? and yes i would draw the line at mandated vaccines, but if they tell my 9 year old to mask up, let's mask up and go about our day...this fighting is usually about egos of adults and their need to be right
