WTH is wrong with people??
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ar...s-supreme-court-justice-kavanaugh-2022-06-08/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ar...s-supreme-court-justice-kavanaugh-2022-06-08/
Armed man arrested near home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh
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dollar to a doughnut says this "man", identifies as "non-binary", has purple hair, unemployed because "they" were a gender studies major, has $200K in student loan debt, and has no less than 3 tee shirts with the image of Mao on them.
Who wants to bet me?
Who wants to bet me?
Nicklaus Roskie is the name, haven’t seen a picture yet but he travelled all the way from Cali
100% chance Ole Nicklaus has a TikTok channel that consists of 10,000 videos of him just saying
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
This is very disturbing. Even though I vehemently disagree with the opinion, this kind of vigilante justice is sickening and I hope he gets the maximum penalty possible.
We're starting to see a disturbing pattern now with a judge in WI killed last week and an attack at the home of a judge in NY earlier this year that killed her son instead when he answered the door.
We can't let this country become a place where judges are influenced by fear of violence or we become Mexico.
We're starting to see a disturbing pattern now with a judge in WI killed last week and an attack at the home of a judge in NY earlier this year that killed her son instead when he answered the door.
We can't let this country become a place where judges are influenced by fear of violence or we become Mexico.
I'll bet you haha. See photo in link
Nicholas John Roske, Brett Kavanaugh Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Nicholas John Roske is the armed suspect accused of threatening U.S. Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
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This is what happens when you encourage illegal activity as the administration did. Not only were the protestors not arrested for their illegal activity, they were encouraged to continue by the the current administration.
I’ve been wrong once or twice in my life ….I'll bet you haha. See photo in link
Nicholas John Roske, Brett Kavanaugh Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Nicholas John Roske is the armed suspect accused of threatening U.S. Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
I want to see a pic from his? theys? their? …. their …. booking, BUT based on the pic in that article … 100% chance dude bro watches furry porn
I had to look that up and all I gotta say is you a kinky mofo bruh 🤣I’ve been wrong once or twice in my life ….
I want to see a pic from his? theys? their? …. their …. booking, BUT based on the pic in that article … 100% chance dude bro watches furry porn
Oh **** off you dipshit.
I guess you didn't read the part where the suspect chickened out in front of Kavenaugh's house after noticing the two armed United States Deputy Marshals who had been placed there by Merrick Garland.
You don’t think this sort of reckless rhetoric encourages violence? Because if it was an R by his name, I guarantee he’d be blamed and slandered and ridiculed on every news station across the land.
Name calling- SOP for libs when confronted with facts.
Great deflection. Of course, that is all you can do when the facts are against you.
Reckless rhetoric?
1. He made that speech in 2020.
2. He is talking about voting the Dems in in November and then stacking the court, not bringing physical harm to any judge.
3. I am guessing, like all people your age, you watched the first few seconds of that video and then got distracted by a butterfly and posted it anyway.
Come on now, junior. It's past your bedtime.
No deflection. What I said was factual.
The US Marshalls who thwarted this attack were put there by the Biden administration. The same one that you claim is responsible for this person's actions.
It's amazing that you twats think Trump had no responsibility for Jan 6th, but Biden is definitely responsible for this dude from California.
Just bc what you said was factual does not mean it was not a deflection. I could respond by saying 2+2 is four, and that would be factual, but not address the issue.
The admin openly encouraged protesting outside scotus homes, which is illegal. Also, they refused to enforce said law against protesting. Those are facts.
Show me where Trump encouraged illegal activity by protestors. Find me one quote that encouraged violence or illegal activity on Jan 6 like the current admin did.
Like NY told you above - you're a dipshit.
And do you really want to have a pissing match about an administration that encourages illegal activity? I hope you'll be watching the hearings tomorrow night in primetime. Hearings that wouldn't be happening if the previous administration hadn't encouraged the most criminal act of any administration in history.
Show me one quote from Trump that encouraged illegal/violent actions from protestors like your admin did.
Like I've told you many times - your ONLY goal on this board is to provide cover for all the bad actors on your side while projecting that the other side is the same or worse. You can't put enough sprinkles on the Jan 6th turd to make it taste good...you just can't. Enough with your lame, amateur hour questions.
I am just wanting you to provide proof of your claim. Since you can not, you just call people names bc that is the only thing you can do. Pathetic. Again, sop for your kind.
“You will pay the price”
“You have unleashed the whirlwind”
“You won’t know what hit you”
All seditious. And very reckless. And of course threatening but that’s the Democratic Party for us as proven time and time again (and yes I have proof). Also, CC: Summer of 2020
1) what does year have to do with squat? He deliberately targeted the justice in his words, a deliberate threat.
2) of course he was I’m sure. Sounds to me like he’s rallying a mob
3) I’ve watched the entire video several times and I watched it when it was released In 2020.
So what about the leak of all the justices home addresses by a far left wing activist that occurred following the leak? That’s how this coward found where he lived.
You know damn well what he did to gin up that crowd. But here's how it works with you - if I answer, you'll do a proctology exam on every letter of my response, written out in a 10,000 character word salad, using your bizarre pretzel logic. The same logic you used to say we should be more concerned about unstable vending machines than children that get slain in their classroom. GTFO
Just more deflection, lol. I did not ask for any comment from you that I could analyze. I do not need one word of your original thought- not that you have any, btw. Simply any quote made by Trump encouraging illegal/violent behavior by the Jan 6 protestors.
Also, if we could save more lives focusing on something else, why not do it? What's next, a massive federal campaign against shark attacks? They kill kids too right. Will that be the next massive push by the dems?
Again, the one and only reason is bc it won't score political points. There is no other explanation - besides low IQ, of course.
Biden encouraging people to protest outside supreme court justice homes is bad.
Trump encouraging people to protest the certification of the election at the Capital is good?
I am confused.
If you have any intelligence at all, then listening to that video, you can clearly hear that he is talking about stacking the courts, not violence.
I am worried about you, man. If you don't learn to start thinking for yourself, you are going to end up a stone cold loser complaining about your lot in life and blaming it on your deranged fantasies about how a political party is trying to destroy you... like @JoeBidenSniffsKids .
@macbrindle has a heck of a lot more intelligence and maturity than you and @dpic73 . The name calling is absurd. Enjoy your primetime hearing on the "insurrection." What a joke.
Come on dpic, give us a quote. Even with the media on your side, you don't have one because it didn't happen. As @CUT93 said, only deflection and name calling of course.
Ha, expected silly response. You have a narrative and no answer which is not shocking.
It's Trumps fault bc he didn't stop jan 6 from happening even though there are zero examples of him encouraging or calling for violent/illegal behavior. Trumps admin requested MORE security at the capital on Jan 6 and teh dems in control refused the multiple request - but still Trumps fault.
Yet when their side not only doesn't discourage illegal behavior, but encourages/call for it - no blame there at all.
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You insufferable putz. If the shoe was on the other foot, you'd know exactly what he did. And we both know that no matter what I say, by the time you finish your run on soliloquy, Trump will sit on the right hand of God and Biden will be Beelzebub. Does any of the below ring a bell for you?
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Ever since the election results indicated that President Trump might fail to win reelection, he has tried to craft an alternative narrative of a stolen election accompanied by major fraud by Democrats. For months, Trump has been laying the groundwork for this strategy. According to our database of Trump’s false or misleading claims, starting in April the president has uttered more than 150 claims concerning fraudulent ballots or the alleged dangers of mail-in voting.
Here’s a roughly chronological guide to his efforts to spin the election result, which, after a 2:30 a.m. news conference Wednesday, has unfolded mostly on Twitter. Many of Trump’s tweets have been covered by Twitter with a warning that they contain inaccurate information about the electoral process. Since Trump’s tweets are often duplicative, we’ve grouped some similar ones together.
“I will be making a statement tonight. A big WIN!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 12:45 a.m.
As Biden started speaking shortly after midnight on Wednesday to proclaim “we believe we're on track to win this election,” Trump issued his first post-election tweet, claiming outright victory.
The claim was false and premature, as vote-counting was in the early stages. News organizations had called Florida for Trump and Fox News had called Arizona for Biden, but the other battleground states were unresolved, and the president was far from the 270-vote threshold in the electoral college required to win the presidency.
“We are up BIG, but they are trying to STEAL the Election. We will never let them do it. Votes cannot be cast after the Polls are closed!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), 12:49 a.m., Nov. 4
This tweet, immediately flagged by Twitter, falsely claimed that Trump was up “big” (he had never led in the electoral college count as various news organizations called states) and, without evidence, accused Democrats of trying to steal the election. States do not allow votes to be cast after polls have closed, but some states permit the receipt of ballots as long as they are postmarked by Election Day.
“Millions and millions of people voted for us tonight, and, uh, a very sad group of people is trying to disenfranchise that group of people, and we won’t stand for it.”
— news conference, Nov. 4, 2:30 a.m.
Many more millions voted for Biden. As of Thursday, Biden had earned more than 4 million more votes than Trump — 72.1 million votes to 68.3 million — though the overall popular vote does not determine the presidential election.
“It’s also clear that we have won Georgia. We’re up by 2.5 percent or 117,000 votes with only 7 percent left. They’re never gonna catch us. They can’t catch us.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Trump may have prematurely declared victory in Georgia. As of Thursday night, the margin had shrunk to about 1,900 votes, out of about 4.9 million counted, with under 10,000 to be counted in mostly Democratic-leaning areas.
“Most importantly, we’re winning Pennsylvania by a tremendous amount of votes. … With 64 percent of the vote in, it’s gonna be almost impossible to catch, and we’re coming into good Pennsylvania areas where they happen to like your president. … So, we’ll probably expand that.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Actually, most of the votes to be counted were in Democratic strongholds. Unlike many other states, mail and absentee ballots could not be counted before Election Day in Pennsylvania because the GOP-controlled legislature refused to authorize it. As of Thursday night, Trump’s margin had shrunk to 41,000 votes, with about 300,000 left to count. Democrats maintain Biden will win a healthy victory here.
“We’re winning Michigan.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Trump lost Michigan by a substantial margin — about 150,000 votes, or 2.8 percentage points.
“We’re winning Wisconsin.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Trump lost Wisconsin by about 20,000 votes. With the margin under 1 percentage point, Trump has said he will seek a recount (which his campaign will have to pay for). Wisconsin recounts generally do not change that many votes.
“We won states, and all of a sudden, I said, ‘What happened to the election? It’s off.’ And we have all these announcers saying, ‘What happened?’ And then they said, ‘Oh —' Because you know what happened? They knew they couldn’t win, so they said, ‘Let’s go to court.’ And did I predict this, Newt? Did I say this? I’ve been saying this from the day I heard they were going to send out tens of millions of ballots. I said exactly. Because either they were gonna win, or if they didn’t win, they’ll take us to court.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
This is baseless speculation. Because there were so many outstanding votes to be counted in swing states, networks could no longer call any races. The Biden campaign did not file any suits; instead, the Trump campaign has filed suit in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada.
“Frankly, we did win this election. So our goal now is to ensure the integrity, for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment. This is a major fraud on our nation.”
— news conference, Nov. 4.
Another premature declaration, with no evidence of fraud in sight.
“Last night I was leading, often solidly, in many key States, in almost all instances Democrat run & controlled. Then, one by one, they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted. VERY STRANGE, and the ‘pollsters’ got it completely & historically wrong!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 10:04 a.m.
“How come every time they count Mail-In ballot dumps they are so devastating in their percentage and power of destruction?”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 10:17 a.m.
“They are finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So bad for our Country!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 11:55 a.m.
“They are working hard to make up 500,000 vote advantage in Pennsylvania disappear — ASAP. Likewise, Michigan and others!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 12:01 p.m.
“Wow! It looks like Michigan has now found the ballots necessary to keep a wonderful young man, John James, out of the U.S. Senate. What a terrible thing is happening!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 1:43 p.m.
It’s math, not magic. Election workers are counting ballots. As more ballots are counted, the totals for each candidate shift, sometimes drastically. That’s because of the way states have set up their election systems, the different approaches taken by the Biden and Trump campaigns and other factors.
Biden encouraged supporters to vote early and by mail. Trump falsely denigrated the mail-voting system for months and urged supporters to vote in person.
Meanwhile, because of the coronavirus pandemic, states governed by Republicans and Democrats decided to expand mail-voting options this year. This year, mail-in votes are a much greater proportion of the overall vote when compared with previous elections.
Then, in three key battlegrounds, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the Republican-controlled legislatures rejected proposals that would have allowed an early start for counting mail ballots. The difference can be seen in neighboring states Ohio and Pennsylvania. The former allows early counting and has reported all votes; the latter does not and the count is ongoing. Officials in Pennsylvania began processing 2.6 million mail ballots at 7 a.m. on Election Day.
Add it all up, and what we’re seeing is something state officials, election experts and news reporters have been outlining for months. Vote counts in some states could show Trump ahead at first and then Biden taking the lead, or vice versa.
The “blue shift” in Pennsylvania, as the Philadelphia Inquirer dubbed it in January, reflects how Trump voters largely shunned vote-by-mail while Biden voters embraced it. The in-person votes were first to be added to the tally, but officials are still wading through the crush of mail ballots that they could not start counting until Election Day. According to news reports, Biden so far has a more than 75 percent share of those votes, so as the count continues, his total grows.
The dynamic was similar in Michigan: Trump encouraged voting in-person rather than by mail, Biden encouraged voting early, the state’s Republican legislature rejected a proposal to allow early counting of mail ballots, and the chips fell accordingly.
Ballots are not being “dumped,” as Trump claims. Vote totals are updated as officials round up more precinct totals.
“WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 10:35 a.m.
Trump and supporters such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and the right-wing Federalist publication, which does not disclose who funds it, have suggested fraud is afoot in Michigan because of a clerical error that was quickly corrected.
Data from Decision Desk HQ, which fed some news organizations’ interactive maps, showed that Biden received a 140,000-vote bump in a single update out of Michigan while Trump got nothing.
That does seem fishy, but rather than investigate, Trump, Cruz, the Federalist and some Republicans immediately raised the specter of fraud.
What happened? A typo.
“This morning there was a clerical error in the Shiawassee, MI county presidential data,” Decision Desk HQ wrote on Twitter. “Once we identified the error, we cleared the erroneous data and updated it with the correct data as provided by officials.”
As FactCheck.org reported, when Shiawassee County officials reported vote totals, a clerk added an extra 0 to Biden’s numbers, turning 15,371 into 153,710. The typo was corrected within an hour.
Trump’s tweet quoted another from GOP consultant Matt Mackowiak. But Mackowiak later corrected himself. Trump did not. Twitter covered the president’s tweet with a warning about misleading information.
“We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,..... .....there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 4:56 p.m.
Trump obviously cannot claim victory. Election officials in each state certify the winner of the presidential race.
In this tweet, Trump repeated his debunked claim about possible fraud in Shiawassee County, Mich. Pennsylvania did allow observers, but a state appeals court later granted the Trump campaign’s request that they be allowed to observe closer, within six feet.
Twitter labeled the “secretly dumped ballots” claim as misleading and flagged the first part of the tweet with this warning: “Official sources may not have called the race when this was Tweeted.”
“Our lawyers have asked for ‘meaningful access’, but what good does that do? The damage has already been done to the integrity of our system, and to the Presidential Election itself. This is what should be discussed!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 6:24 p.m.
Trump has offered no evidence that the election’s integrity has been compromised, and none has been found. In fact, cybersecurity experts in the Trump administration and local officials say the process has been smooth despite the unusual historic circumstance of a deadly pandemic.
“Detroit Absentee Ballot Counting Chaos, Blocked Windows and Observers”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 7:01 p.m.
This is the misleading headline of a Breitbart article tweeted by Trump. Those inside Detroit’s TCF Center included Democratic and Republican observers, as the Breitbart article noted.
Trump is referring to a crowd of predominantly White supporters who were outside. They descended on the TCF Center and chanted “stop the count” as votes continued to be counted in Detroit, the city with the highest percentage of African Americans in the country.
“Police had to push back the crowds as they argued to be allowed in the vote-counting area. Republican counters [who were not already inside] shouted that they were unfairly being kept out, but Democratic challengers countered that it was not true because they were also being kept outside,” the Detroit Free Press reported.
“Fmr NV AG Laxalt: ‘No Question‘ Trump Would Have Won Nevada ‘Convincingly‘ Without Mail-in Voting”
— tweet, Nov. 5, 10:37 a.m.
Well, yes, if some Biden voters had not voted, Trump might have won. Nevada law allows mail voting, and the state’s top election official is a Republican: Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske.
“ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN AFTER ELECTION DAY WILL NOT BE COUNTED!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 5, 10:09 a.m.
“All of the recent Biden claimed States will be legally challenged by us for Voter Fraud and State Election Fraud. Plenty of proof — just check out the Media. WE WILL WIN! America First!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 5, 11:22 a.m.
“STOP THE FRAUD!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 5, 12:21 p.m.
“IF YOU COUNT THE LEGAL VOTES, I EASILY WIN THE ELECTION! IF YOU COUNT THE ILLEGAL AND LATE VOTES, THEY CAN STEAL THE ELECTION FROM US!”
— statement, Nov. 5, 12:37 p.m.
Trump continues to be the president who cried wolf, baselessly warning about voter fraud and a rigged election with a multitude of easily debunked claims. The president has offered no evidence for his claim that the election is being stolen, and none has been found.
Voting concluded when the polls closed Tuesday night. State election officials accept and count mail ballots only if they arrived by Election Day, or if they were postmarked by Election Day and arrived in the following days (the grace period varies by state).
UPDATE: On the evening of Nov. 5, Trump made a statement from the White House podium that continue to add to his falsehoods on the election. That fact check can be found by following this link.
The Pinocchio Test
Twitter has now marked 12 tweets by the president in two days as misleading. Yet without apparent embarrassment, he continues to lob baseless claims of vote fraud and electoral malfeasance. Eventually, all of the votes will be counted and certified and the election result will be clear. In the meantime, the president earns Four Pinocchios.WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump spent much of the 2020 presidential campaign insisting that he could only lose if the election was rigged against him, and he has spent nearly every day since his defeat claiming his dire predictions of fraud had come to pass.
But just as he cried foul before a single vote was cast – something he also did in 2016 – Trump has maintained he was robbed of victory without any credible evidence to support that belief.
Despite assurances from his own departments of Justice and Homeland Security that no serious fraud occurred, Trump has raged against the election result and mounted a relentless campaign to reverse President-elect Joe Biden's 306-232 Electoral College win.
Look at the smile on that guy … 100% dude dresses up as a raccoon or squirrel
I mean, I thought I was pretty clear in what I asked for. Just go back and read it really slow. No one has argued that Trump did not think the election was stolen from him. That is basically all that article was - quotes or stories about trump thinking the election was stolen form him. YET, in that whole article and every other article you can find there is not one single quote from him encouraging, supporting, or calling for ANY illegal or violent behavior from the Jan 6 protestors.You insufferable putz. If the shoe was on the other foot, you'd know exactly what he did. And we both know that no matter what I say, by the time you finish your run on soliloquy, Trump will sit on the right hand of God and Biden will be Beelzebub. Does any of the below ring a bell for you?
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Ever since the election results indicated that President Trump might fail to win reelection, he has tried to craft an alternative narrative of a stolen election accompanied by major fraud by Democrats. For months, Trump has been laying the groundwork for this strategy. According to our database of Trump’s false or misleading claims, starting in April the president has uttered more than 150 claims concerning fraudulent ballots or the alleged dangers of mail-in voting.
Here’s a roughly chronological guide to his efforts to spin the election result, which, after a 2:30 a.m. news conference Wednesday, has unfolded mostly on Twitter. Many of Trump’s tweets have been covered by Twitter with a warning that they contain inaccurate information about the electoral process. Since Trump’s tweets are often duplicative, we’ve grouped some similar ones together.
“I will be making a statement tonight. A big WIN!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 12:45 a.m.
As Biden started speaking shortly after midnight on Wednesday to proclaim “we believe we're on track to win this election,” Trump issued his first post-election tweet, claiming outright victory.
The claim was false and premature, as vote-counting was in the early stages. News organizations had called Florida for Trump and Fox News had called Arizona for Biden, but the other battleground states were unresolved, and the president was far from the 270-vote threshold in the electoral college required to win the presidency.
“We are up BIG, but they are trying to STEAL the Election. We will never let them do it. Votes cannot be cast after the Polls are closed!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), 12:49 a.m., Nov. 4
This tweet, immediately flagged by Twitter, falsely claimed that Trump was up “big” (he had never led in the electoral college count as various news organizations called states) and, without evidence, accused Democrats of trying to steal the election. States do not allow votes to be cast after polls have closed, but some states permit the receipt of ballots as long as they are postmarked by Election Day.
“Millions and millions of people voted for us tonight, and, uh, a very sad group of people is trying to disenfranchise that group of people, and we won’t stand for it.”
— news conference, Nov. 4, 2:30 a.m.
Many more millions voted for Biden. As of Thursday, Biden had earned more than 4 million more votes than Trump — 72.1 million votes to 68.3 million — though the overall popular vote does not determine the presidential election.
“It’s also clear that we have won Georgia. We’re up by 2.5 percent or 117,000 votes with only 7 percent left. They’re never gonna catch us. They can’t catch us.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Trump may have prematurely declared victory in Georgia. As of Thursday night, the margin had shrunk to about 1,900 votes, out of about 4.9 million counted, with under 10,000 to be counted in mostly Democratic-leaning areas.
“Most importantly, we’re winning Pennsylvania by a tremendous amount of votes. … With 64 percent of the vote in, it’s gonna be almost impossible to catch, and we’re coming into good Pennsylvania areas where they happen to like your president. … So, we’ll probably expand that.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Actually, most of the votes to be counted were in Democratic strongholds. Unlike many other states, mail and absentee ballots could not be counted before Election Day in Pennsylvania because the GOP-controlled legislature refused to authorize it. As of Thursday night, Trump’s margin had shrunk to 41,000 votes, with about 300,000 left to count. Democrats maintain Biden will win a healthy victory here.
“We’re winning Michigan.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Trump lost Michigan by a substantial margin — about 150,000 votes, or 2.8 percentage points.
“We’re winning Wisconsin.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
Trump lost Wisconsin by about 20,000 votes. With the margin under 1 percentage point, Trump has said he will seek a recount (which his campaign will have to pay for). Wisconsin recounts generally do not change that many votes.
“We won states, and all of a sudden, I said, ‘What happened to the election? It’s off.’ And we have all these announcers saying, ‘What happened?’ And then they said, ‘Oh —' Because you know what happened? They knew they couldn’t win, so they said, ‘Let’s go to court.’ And did I predict this, Newt? Did I say this? I’ve been saying this from the day I heard they were going to send out tens of millions of ballots. I said exactly. Because either they were gonna win, or if they didn’t win, they’ll take us to court.”
— news conference, Nov. 4
This is baseless speculation. Because there were so many outstanding votes to be counted in swing states, networks could no longer call any races. The Biden campaign did not file any suits; instead, the Trump campaign has filed suit in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada.
“Frankly, we did win this election. So our goal now is to ensure the integrity, for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment. This is a major fraud on our nation.”
— news conference, Nov. 4.
Another premature declaration, with no evidence of fraud in sight.
“Last night I was leading, often solidly, in many key States, in almost all instances Democrat run & controlled. Then, one by one, they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted. VERY STRANGE, and the ‘pollsters’ got it completely & historically wrong!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 10:04 a.m.
“How come every time they count Mail-In ballot dumps they are so devastating in their percentage and power of destruction?”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 10:17 a.m.
“They are finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So bad for our Country!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 11:55 a.m.
“They are working hard to make up 500,000 vote advantage in Pennsylvania disappear — ASAP. Likewise, Michigan and others!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 12:01 p.m.
“Wow! It looks like Michigan has now found the ballots necessary to keep a wonderful young man, John James, out of the U.S. Senate. What a terrible thing is happening!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 1:43 p.m.
It’s math, not magic. Election workers are counting ballots. As more ballots are counted, the totals for each candidate shift, sometimes drastically. That’s because of the way states have set up their election systems, the different approaches taken by the Biden and Trump campaigns and other factors.
Biden encouraged supporters to vote early and by mail. Trump falsely denigrated the mail-voting system for months and urged supporters to vote in person.
Meanwhile, because of the coronavirus pandemic, states governed by Republicans and Democrats decided to expand mail-voting options this year. This year, mail-in votes are a much greater proportion of the overall vote when compared with previous elections.
Then, in three key battlegrounds, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the Republican-controlled legislatures rejected proposals that would have allowed an early start for counting mail ballots. The difference can be seen in neighboring states Ohio and Pennsylvania. The former allows early counting and has reported all votes; the latter does not and the count is ongoing. Officials in Pennsylvania began processing 2.6 million mail ballots at 7 a.m. on Election Day.
Add it all up, and what we’re seeing is something state officials, election experts and news reporters have been outlining for months. Vote counts in some states could show Trump ahead at first and then Biden taking the lead, or vice versa.
The “blue shift” in Pennsylvania, as the Philadelphia Inquirer dubbed it in January, reflects how Trump voters largely shunned vote-by-mail while Biden voters embraced it. The in-person votes were first to be added to the tally, but officials are still wading through the crush of mail ballots that they could not start counting until Election Day. According to news reports, Biden so far has a more than 75 percent share of those votes, so as the count continues, his total grows.
The dynamic was similar in Michigan: Trump encouraged voting in-person rather than by mail, Biden encouraged voting early, the state’s Republican legislature rejected a proposal to allow early counting of mail ballots, and the chips fell accordingly.
Ballots are not being “dumped,” as Trump claims. Vote totals are updated as officials round up more precinct totals.
“WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 10:35 a.m.
Trump and supporters such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and the right-wing Federalist publication, which does not disclose who funds it, have suggested fraud is afoot in Michigan because of a clerical error that was quickly corrected.
Data from Decision Desk HQ, which fed some news organizations’ interactive maps, showed that Biden received a 140,000-vote bump in a single update out of Michigan while Trump got nothing.
That does seem fishy, but rather than investigate, Trump, Cruz, the Federalist and some Republicans immediately raised the specter of fraud.
What happened? A typo.
“This morning there was a clerical error in the Shiawassee, MI county presidential data,” Decision Desk HQ wrote on Twitter. “Once we identified the error, we cleared the erroneous data and updated it with the correct data as provided by officials.”
As FactCheck.org reported, when Shiawassee County officials reported vote totals, a clerk added an extra 0 to Biden’s numbers, turning 15,371 into 153,710. The typo was corrected within an hour.
Trump’s tweet quoted another from GOP consultant Matt Mackowiak. But Mackowiak later corrected himself. Trump did not. Twitter covered the president’s tweet with a warning about misleading information.
“We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,..... .....there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 4, 4:56 p.m.
Trump obviously cannot claim victory. Election officials in each state certify the winner of the presidential race.
In this tweet, Trump repeated his debunked claim about possible fraud in Shiawassee County, Mich. Pennsylvania did allow observers, but a state appeals court later granted the Trump campaign’s request that they be allowed to observe closer, within six feet.
Twitter labeled the “secretly dumped ballots” claim as misleading and flagged the first part of the tweet with this warning: “Official sources may not have called the race when this was Tweeted.”
“Our lawyers have asked for ‘meaningful access’, but what good does that do? The damage has already been done to the integrity of our system, and to the Presidential Election itself. This is what should be discussed!”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 6:24 p.m.
Trump has offered no evidence that the election’s integrity has been compromised, and none has been found. In fact, cybersecurity experts in the Trump administration and local officials say the process has been smooth despite the unusual historic circumstance of a deadly pandemic.
“Detroit Absentee Ballot Counting Chaos, Blocked Windows and Observers”
— tweet, Nov. 4, 7:01 p.m.
This is the misleading headline of a Breitbart article tweeted by Trump. Those inside Detroit’s TCF Center included Democratic and Republican observers, as the Breitbart article noted.
Trump is referring to a crowd of predominantly White supporters who were outside. They descended on the TCF Center and chanted “stop the count” as votes continued to be counted in Detroit, the city with the highest percentage of African Americans in the country.
“Police had to push back the crowds as they argued to be allowed in the vote-counting area. Republican counters [who were not already inside] shouted that they were unfairly being kept out, but Democratic challengers countered that it was not true because they were also being kept outside,” the Detroit Free Press reported.
“Fmr NV AG Laxalt: ‘No Question‘ Trump Would Have Won Nevada ‘Convincingly‘ Without Mail-in Voting”
— tweet, Nov. 5, 10:37 a.m.
Well, yes, if some Biden voters had not voted, Trump might have won. Nevada law allows mail voting, and the state’s top election official is a Republican: Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske.
“ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN AFTER ELECTION DAY WILL NOT BE COUNTED!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 5, 10:09 a.m.
“All of the recent Biden claimed States will be legally challenged by us for Voter Fraud and State Election Fraud. Plenty of proof — just check out the Media. WE WILL WIN! America First!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 5, 11:22 a.m.
“STOP THE FRAUD!”
— tweet (marked by Twitter as misleading), Nov. 5, 12:21 p.m.
“IF YOU COUNT THE LEGAL VOTES, I EASILY WIN THE ELECTION! IF YOU COUNT THE ILLEGAL AND LATE VOTES, THEY CAN STEAL THE ELECTION FROM US!”
— statement, Nov. 5, 12:37 p.m.
Trump continues to be the president who cried wolf, baselessly warning about voter fraud and a rigged election with a multitude of easily debunked claims. The president has offered no evidence for his claim that the election is being stolen, and none has been found.
Voting concluded when the polls closed Tuesday night. State election officials accept and count mail ballots only if they arrived by Election Day, or if they were postmarked by Election Day and arrived in the following days (the grace period varies by state).
UPDATE: On the evening of Nov. 5, Trump made a statement from the White House podium that continue to add to his falsehoods on the election. That fact check can be found by following this link.
The Pinocchio Test
Twitter has now marked 12 tweets by the president in two days as misleading. Yet without apparent embarrassment, he continues to lob baseless claims of vote fraud and electoral malfeasance. Eventually, all of the votes will be counted and certified and the election result will be clear. In the meantime, the president earns Four Pinocchios.
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump spent much of the 2020 presidential campaign insisting that he could only lose if the election was rigged against him, and he has spent nearly every day since his defeat claiming his dire predictions of fraud had come to pass.
But just as he cried foul before a single vote was cast – something he also did in 2016 – Trump has maintained he was robbed of victory without any credible evidence to support that belief.
Despite assurances from his own departments of Justice and Homeland Security that no serious fraud occurred, Trump has raged against the election result and mounted a relentless campaign to reverse President-elect Joe Biden's 306-232 Electoral College win.
Also, I have told you numerous times, I am not a fan of Trump the person. Many, many times. I am pretty confident that he will never be on the right hand of GOD. Yet just like all the other facts you ignore you repeatedly say how I revere him - which is an abject lie.
I'm not sure how many ways I can say this or why it is so hard for you to comprehend. I don't want you to say anything. I want you to provide one, JUST ONE, example of Trump encouraging/calling for ANY illegal activity or violence from the protestors on Jan 6. JUST ONE.
EVERY SINGLE LIE he told contributed to the insurrection - and he told it 1000 times. We both know that Trump is crazy like a fox and always parses his words in such a way that he can escape blame. But the continual pounding of the same seditious falsehood over and over again is the same or worse as saying "Hang Mike Pence." He gets others to say the things that would make him most culpable but he's every bit as guilty. Your inane attempt to find an exact phrase you can dissect is pathetic and you know it. I bet you stay up all night thinking about how you can win the next internet argument on a technicality, don't you? SAD!
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May be a good time for you to take a hiatus or provide an answer.
An informed citizen with common sense.
