Border control & jobs

[Dadar]

What jobs do the illegals crossing the border work in that Trump keeps ranting about?

I believe most are in areas that would be easy to find employment if physically able.

Yardwork, roofers, wmt deliveries, .... All honorable jobs that are better than where they came from.

Regime fees are going to jump through the roof.

Population demographics are important to capital markets. Balance within the population by age is a key factor for the economy. The US is very different from a country like Japan which has little culture diversity and now has an aging population. Japan addressed the aging population by basically moving production to other countries farming out the labor needs.

Agree the border needs to be controlled, but there is a lot more to this.

What Trump is pushing is autocracy.
Is that what our population really wants. I totally agree change is needed, but not what he is pushing.

 

[TigerGrowls]

What jobs do the illegals crossing the border work in that Trump keeps ranting about?

I believe most are in areas that would be easy to find employment if physically able.

Yardwork, roofers, wmt deliveries, .... All honorable jobs that are better than where they came from.

Regime fees are going to jump through the roof.

Population demographics are important to capital markets. Balance within the population by age is a key factor for the economy. The US is very different from a country like Japan which has little culture diversity and now has an aging population. Japan addressed the aging population by basically moving production to other countries farming out the labor needs.

Agree the border needs to be controlled, but there is a lot more to this.

What Trump is pushing is autocracy.
Is that what our population really wants. I totally agree change is needed, but not what he is pushing.

Send them all home and they can learn some valuable skills and then get in line to immigrate legally.

 

[DW4_2016]

Send them all home and they can learn some valuable skills and then get in line to immigrate legally.

This country would crash without them. Remember before you hated desantis? Remember when he tried it? What happened to the fruit producers in his state?

 

[TigerGrowls]

This country would crash without them. Remember before you hated desantis? Remember when he tried it? What happened to the fruit producers in his state?

Incredibly wrong.

 

[Dadar]

Incredibly wrong.

Are these jobs you wish to apply for?

 

[Dadar]

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/myopic#:~:text=Myopic%20is%20an%20adjective%20meaning,trees%2C%20you%27re%20myopic.

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[Dadar]

Agree the border is a problem. Why did Trump stop the bi partison bill to help control the border?

Can you give a coherent answer to this? Guess his personal priority to stay out of jail was a higher priority

 

[scotchtiger]

There should be things here we can all agree on. Any sort of government assistance being provided to illegals should end immediately. Criminals should be deported. Those not working should go.

But it’s a very real point that illegals are doing jobs today that Americans either won’t do or won’t do for the same wage. We need to balance that.

My thought has always been that they need to come out of the shadows and register in some way. If you meet certain qualifications - good employment record, not a criminal, self-sufficient, been here for X years, etc - then you get to stay. You will pay taxes. You will not receive government assistance of any kind. But you can stay and work.

Anyone not registered during the available window is deported. You had a chance.

 

[fatpiggy]

Democrats CONTINUE to miss the point (shocker we know).

legal immigration = Ok

Illegal immigration = Not ok

We want immigrants, just get in line and do it the right way.

Want a better / faster immigration system? We agree.

The reason the last bill did not pass, was very simply because it did not stop illegal immigration.

 

[Broheim]

Agree the border is a problem. Why did Trump stop the bi partison bill to help control the border?

Can you give a coherent answer to this? Guess his personal priority to stay out of jail was a higher priority

A bill wasn’t needed to enforce our border and immigration laws.

 

[yoshi121374]

A bill wasn’t needed to enforce our border and immigration laws.

Not really. You need to change the laws, what is currently happening is completely legal based on our current bills.

One thing nobody is discussing about deporting illegal immigrants is what will be done with children who were born here, and due to the US Constitution are US citizens?

Are you going to deport the parents? Who then takes care of the kids? I promise you many of the immigrants who came here to escape violence in Central America will leave their kids here for the opportunity that America gives them, rather than take them back there.

I agree with much of what @scotchtiger is saying. We need to figure out how to get them to register and pay taxes

 

[Broheim]

Not really. You need to change the laws, what is currently happening is completely legal based on our current bills.

One thing nobody is discussing about deporting illegal immigrants is what will be done with children who were born here, and due to the US Constitution are US citizens?

Are you going to deport the parents? Who then takes care of the kids? I promise you many of the immigrants who came here to escape violence in Central America will leave their kids here for the opportunity that America gives them, rather than take them back there.

I agree with much of what @scotchtiger is saying. We need to figure out how to get them to register and pay taxes

None of that precluded Border Czar Harris and the Biden administration from enforcing our border. Had they done that they might still be in power.

 

[yoshi121374]

None of that precluded Border Czar Harris and the Biden administration from enforcing our border. Had they done that they might still be in power.

Yes it did. Educate yourself about the laws and the Executive Order that Trump used, due to Covid that allowed him to lock down the borders.

 

[scotchtiger]

Yes it did. Educate yourself about the laws and the Executive Order that Trump used, due to Covid that allowed him to lock down the borders.

On the flip side, why did the Biden/Harris admin so enthusiastically reverse Trumps policies within months of taking control? Of course we now know that was a horrible idea.

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[leetp]

What jobs do the illegals crossing the border work in that Trump keeps ranting about?

I believe most are in areas that would be easy to find employment if physically able.

Yardwork, roofers, wmt deliveries, .... All honorable jobs that are better than where they came from.

Regime fees are going to jump through the roof.

Population demographics are important to capital markets. Balance within the population by age is a key factor for the economy. The US is very different from a country like Japan which has little culture diversity and now has an aging population. Japan addressed the aging population by basically moving production to other countries farming out the labor needs.

Agree the border needs to be controlled, but there is a lot more to this.

What Trump is pushing is autocracy.
Is that what our population really wants. I totally agree change is needed, but not what he is pushing.

You bring up some good points, but I don't get the leap to autocracy. I mean, sure, Trump my desire a free hand as a means to carry out is policy....but what policy hawk doesn't? Nevertheless, we are not an autocracy, so it matters not.

As far as manpower goes, I have no doubt the immigration policy will adapt to labor demands. With the proper impetus, we can devise a way to import labor at or above present illegal immigration rates.

 

[Dadar]

A bill wasn’t needed to enforce our border and immigration laws.

Can you explain this? Do you know the bill details. It was a bi-partisan bill that Trump thought was not in his personal best interest.

 

[dpic73]

On the flip side, why did the Biden/Harris admin so enthusiastically reverse Trumps policies within months of taking control? Of course we now know that was a horrible idea.

They were playing to the progressive fringe and if there's anything at all we learned from this election, it's that Democrats need to govern from the middle and sideline the far-left as much as possible. I can live with AOC because I think she has reedemable qualities but the rest of the Squad are out of touch and need to find other careers.

 

[TruePatriot]

So much stupid in this thread. Illegal immigrants paid $100 billion in taxes in 2022.

 

[scotchtiger]

They were playing to the progressive fringe and if there's anything at all we learned from this election, it's that Democrats need to govern from the middle and sideline the far-left as much as possible. I can live with AOC because I think she has reedemable qualities but the rest of the Squad are out of touch and need to find other careers.

This is what made Kamala such a horrible candidate. She is the far left. Furthest left voting record in the senate plus a litany of clips of her supporting hard left, unpopular policies. She’s also viewed as the poster child for DEI, which has become increasingly unpopular.