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I don't care if this gets banished to the Roundtable in 2 min, everyone needs to see this.

The liberal rag of choice, the freak'n NYT, broke a story where the CDC has been selectively modifying the data it released on boosters and hospitalizations (among other things). The age group they choose to leave out, 18-49 year olds. Not that there can EVER be a justification for this breach of trust, their pitiful excuse is "The agency has been reluctant to make those figures public, the official said, because they might be misinterpreted as the vaccines being ineffective."

Unbelievable. Nothing they say can be believed about this virus and that makes me mad and sad. What have we become?

 
I don't care if this gets banished to the Roundtable in 2 min, everyone needs to see this.

The liberal rag of choice, the freak'n NYT, broke a story where the CDC has been selectively modifying the data it released on boosters and hospitalizations (among other things). The age group they choose to leave out, 18-49 year olds. Not that there can EVER be a justification for this breach of trust, their pitiful excuse is "The agency has been reluctant to make those figures public, the official said, because they might be misinterpreted as the vaccines being ineffective."

Unbelievable. Nothing they say can be believed about this virus and that makes me mad and sad. What have we become?

The CDC instructed health care providers on 3/23/20 to list anyone dying who tested positive as a Covid death. They put doctors in jail for falsifying death certificates and that’s exactly what they instructed them to do. There’s only one reason they did this: to control the population through fear. This is how far down into the abyss our government has gone.
 
Everyone who wasn't a political hack or an idiot, knew this all along.

The "conspiracy theorists" have been right on almost everything from day 1.
The ivermectin study everyone wanted proves it doesn’t help against Covid. Who would have guessed.
 
This has been the case throughout. Basically we need to completely start over with our administrative state. First cut the number of people by 75 to 80%. Second we need to get people who are actually competent and aren't engaged in political theater. Third we need to reorganize our government so that it has about 15% of the employees it has now outside of the military. Far too many people with careers and pensions that influence things regardless of who the president is or who controls congress. All of our institutions have failed us in recent years and that comes under presidents from both parties. They're all terrible and many should be thrown in jail for corrupt offenses beyond the pale
 
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The ivermectin study everyone wanted proves it doesn’t help against Covid. Who would have guessed.

That isn't what we're talking about and furthermore those studies have been skewed so that they would fail. I know it works because I've seen it work multiple times. But it has to be administered at the right time and it can't be administered alone. It's part of a group of medications that are effective. But please continue with your stupid political narratives that you can never get away from no matter what the information is.
 
For more than a year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has collected data on hospitalizations for Covid-19 in the United States and broken it down by age, race and vaccination status. But it has not made most of the information public.
When the C.D.C. published the first significant data on the effectiveness of boosters in adults younger than 65 two weeks ago, it left out the numbers for a huge portion of that population: 18- to 49-year-olds, the group least likely to benefit from extra shots, because the first two doses already left them well-protected.
The agency recently debuted a dashboard of wastewater data on its website that will be updated daily and might provide early signals of an oncoming surge of Covid cases. Some states and localities had been sharing wastewater information with the agency since the start of the pandemic, but it had never before released those findings.
Two full years into the pandemic, the agency leading the country’s response to the public health emergency has published only a tiny fraction of the data it has collected, several people familiar with the data said.

Much of the withheld information could help state and local health officials better target their efforts to bring the virus under control. Detailed, timely data on hospitalizations by age and race would help health officials identify and help the populations at highest risk. Information on hospitalizations and death by age and vaccination status would have helped inform whether healthy adults needed booster shots. And wastewater surveillance across the nation would spot outbreaks and emerging variants early.
Without the booster data for 18- to 49-year-olds, the outside experts whom federal health agencies look to for advice had to rely on numbers from Israel to make their recommendations on the shots.
Kristen Nordlund, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C., said the agency has been slow to release the different streams of data “because basically, at the end of the day, it’s not yet ready for prime time.” She said the agency’s “priority when gathering any data is to ensure that it’s accurate and actionable.”
Another reason is fear that the information might be misinterpreted, Ms. Nordlund said.
Dr. Daniel Jernigan, the agency’s deputy director for public health science and surveillance said the pandemic exposed the fact that data systems at the C.D.C., and at the state levels, are outmoded and not up to handling large volumes of data. C.D.C. scientists are trying to modernize the systems, he said.
“We want better, faster data that can lead to decision making and actions at all levels of public health, that can help us eliminate the lag in data that has held us back,” he added.

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The C.D.C. also has multiple bureaucratic divisions that must sign off on important publications, and its officials must alert the Department of Health and Human Services — which oversees the agency — and the White House of their plans. The agency often shares data with states and partners before making data public. Those steps can add delays.
“The C.D.C. is a political organization as much as it is a public health organization,” said Samuel Scarpino, managing director of pathogen surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation’s Pandemic Prevention Institute. “The steps that it takes to get something like this released are often well outside of the control of many of the scientists that work at the C.D.C.”
The performance of vaccines and boosters, particularly in younger adults, is among the most glaring omissions in data the C.D.C. has made public.
Last year, the agency repeatedly came under fire for not tracking so-called breakthrough infections in vaccinated Americans, and focusing only on individuals who became ill enough to be hospitalized or die. The agency presented that information as risk comparisons with unvaccinated adults, rather than provide timely snapshots of hospitalized patients stratified by age, sex, race and vaccination status.


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But the C.D.C. has been routinely collecting information since the Covid vaccines were first rolled out last year, according to a federal official familiar with the effort. The agency has been reluctant to make those figures public, the official said, because they might be misinterpreted as the vaccines being ineffective.
Ms. Nordlund confirmed that as one of the reasons. Another reason, she said, is that the data represents only 10 percent of the population of the United States. But the C.D.C. has relied on the same level of sampling to track influenza for years.

Some outside public health experts were stunned to hear that information exists.
“We have been begging for that sort of granularity of data for two years,” said Jessica Malaty Rivera, an epidemiologist and part of the team that ran Covid Tracking Project, an independent effort that compiled data on the pandemic till March 2021.
A detailed analysis, she said, “builds public trust, and it paints a much clearer picture of what’s actually going on.”
Concern about the misinterpretation of hospitalization data broken down by vaccination status is not unique to the C.D.C. On Thursday, public health officials in Scotland said they would stop releasing data on Covid hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status because of similar fears that the figures would be misrepresented by anti-vaccine groups.

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But the experts dismissed the potential misuse or misinterpretation of data as an acceptable reason for not releasing it.
“We are at a much greater risk of misinterpreting the data with data vacuums, than sharing the data with proper science, communication and caveats,” Ms. Rivera said.
When the Delta variant caused an outbreak in Massachusetts last summer, the fact that three-quarters of those infected were vaccinated led people to mistakenly conclude that the vaccines were powerless against the virus — validating the C.D.C.’s concerns.
But that could have been avoided if the agency had educated the public from the start that as more people are vaccinated, the percentage of vaccinated people who are infected or hospitalized would also rise, public health experts said.

“Tell the truth, present the data,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a vaccine expert and adviser to the Food and Drug Administration. “I have to believe that there is a way to explain these things so people can understand it.”
Knowing which groups of people were being hospitalized in the United States, which other conditions those patients may have had and how vaccines changed the picture over time would have been invaluable, Dr. Offit said.
Relying on Israeli data to make booster recommendations for Americans was less than ideal, Dr. Offit noted. Israel defines severe disease differently than the United States, among other factors.
“There’s no reason that they should be better at collecting and putting forth data than we were,” Dr. Offit said of Israeli scientists. “The C.D.C. is the principal epidemiological agency in this country, and so you would like to think the data came from them.”
It has also been difficult to find C.D.C. data on the proportion of children hospitalized for Covid who have other medical conditions, said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics’s Committee on Infectious Diseases.
The academy’s staff asked their partners at the C.D.C. for that information on a call in December, according to a spokeswoman for the A.A.P., and were told it was unavailable.

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Around the world. Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain lifted England’s remaining restrictions a day after an announcement that Queen Elizabeth II had tested positive for the virus. In Australia, the country reopened its borders to tourists for the first time in two years.
C.D.C. data. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has published only a tiny fraction of the Covid data it has collected, including critical data on boosters and hospitalizations, citing incomplete reports or fears of misinterpretation. Critics say the practice causes confusion.


Ms. Nordlund pointed to data on the agency’s website that includes this information, and to multiple published reports on pediatric hospitalizations with information on children who have other health conditions.

The pediatrics academy has repeatedly asked the C.D.C. for an estimate on the contagiousness of a person infected with the coronavirus five days after symptoms begin — but Dr. Maldonado finally got the answer from an article in The New York Times in December.
“They’ve known this for over a year and a half, right, and they haven’t told us,” she said. “I mean, you can’t find out anything from them.”
Experts in wastewater analysis were more understanding of the C.D.C.’s slow pace of making that data public. The C.D.C. has been building the wastewater system since September 2020, and the capacity to present the data over the past few months, Ms. Nordlund said. In the meantime, the C.D.C.’s state partners have had access to the data, she said.
Despite the cautious preparation, the C.D.C. released the wastewater data a week later than planned. The Covid Data Tracker is updated only on Thursdays, and the day before the original release date, the scientists who manage the tracker realized they needed more time to integrate the data.
“It wasn’t because the data wasn’t ready, it was because the systems and how it physically displayed on the page wasn’t working the way that they wanted it to,” Ms. Nordlund said.
The C.D.C. has received more than $1 billion to modernize its systems, which may help pick up the pace, Ms. Nordlund said. “We’re working on that,” she said.
The agency’s public dashboard now has data from 31 states. Eight of those states, including Utah, began sending their figures to the C.D.C. in the fall of 2020. Some relied on scientists volunteering their expertise; others paid private companies. But many others, such as Mississippi, New Mexico and North Dakota, have yet to begin tracking wastewater.

Utah’s fledgling program in April 2020 has now grown to cover 88 percent of the state’s population, with samples being collected twice a week, according to Nathan LaCross, who manages Utah’s wastewater surveillance program.
Wastewater data reflects the presence of the virus in an entire community, so it is not plagued by the privacy concerns attached to medical information that would normally complicate data release, experts said.
“There are a bunch of very important and substantive legal and ethical challenges that don’t exist for wastewater data,” Dr. Scarpino said. “That lowered bar should certainly mean that data could flow faster.”
Tracking wastewater can help identify areas experiencing a high burden of cases early, Dr. LaCross said. That allows officials to better allocate resources like mobile testing teams and testing sites.
Wastewater is also a much faster and more reliable barometer of the spread of the virus than the number of cases or positive tests. Well before the nation became aware of the Delta variant, for example, scientists who track wastewater had seen its rise and alerted the C.D.C., Dr. Scarpino said. They did so in early May, just before the agency famously said vaccinated people could take off their masks.
Even now, the agency is relying on a technique that captures the amount of virus, but not the different variants in the mix, said Mariana Matus, chief executive officer of BioBot Analytics, which specializes in wastewater analysis. That will make it difficult for the agency to spot and respond to outbreaks of new variants in a timely manner, she said.
“It gets really exhausting when you see the private sector working faster than the premier public health agency of the world,” Ms. Rivera said.
 
I’d love to be able to read this link.
For more than a year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has collected data on hospitalizations for Covid-19 in the United States and broken it down by age, race and vaccination status. But it has not made most of the information public.
When the C.D.C. published the first significant data on the effectiveness of boosters in adults younger than 65 two weeks ago, it left out the numbers for a huge portion of that population: 18- to 49-year-olds, the group least likely to benefit from extra shots, because the first two doses already left them well-protected.
The agency recently debuted a dashboard of wastewater data on its website that will be updated daily and might provide early signals of an oncoming surge of Covid cases. Some states and localities had been sharing wastewater information with the agency since the start of the pandemic, but it had never before released those findings.
Two full years into the pandemic, the agency leading the country’s response to the public health emergency has published only a tiny fraction of the data it has collected, several people familiar with the data said.
Much of the withheld information could help state and local health officials better target their efforts to bring the virus under control. Detailed, timely data on hospitalizations by age and race would help health officials identify and help the populations at highest risk. Information on hospitalizations and death by age and vaccination status would have helped inform whether healthy adults needed booster shots. And wastewater surveillance across the nation would spot outbreaks and emerging variants early.
Without the booster data for 18- to 49-year-olds, the outside experts whom federal health agencies look to for advice had to rely on numbers from Israel to make their recommendations on the shots.
Kristen Nordlund, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C., said the agency has been slow to release the different streams of data “because basically, at the end of the day, it’s not yet ready for prime time.” She said the agency’s “priority when gathering any data is to ensure that it’s accurate and actionable.”
Another reason is fear that the information might be misinterpreted, Ms. Nordlund said.
Dr. Daniel Jernigan, the agency’s deputy director for public health science and surveillance said the pandemic exposed the fact that data systems at the C.D.C., and at the state levels, are outmoded and not up to handling large volumes of data. C.D.C. scientists are trying to modernize the systems, he said.
“We want better, faster data that can lead to decision making and actions at all levels of public health, that can help us eliminate the lag in data that has held us back,” he added.
The C.D.C. also has multiple bureaucratic divisions that must sign off on important publications, and its officials must alert the Department of Health and Human Services — which oversees the agency — and the White House of their plans. The agency often shares data with states and partners before making data public. Those steps can add delays.
“The C.D.C. is a political organization as much as it is a public health organization,” said Samuel Scarpino, managing director of pathogen surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation’s Pandemic Prevention Institute. “The steps that it takes to get something like this released are often well outside of the control of many of the scientists that work at the C.D.C.”
The performance of vaccines and boosters, particularly in younger adults, is among the most glaring omissions in data the C.D.C. has made public.
Last year, the agency repeatedly came under fire for not tracking so-called breakthrough infections in vaccinated Americans, and focusing only on individuals who became ill enough to be hospitalized or die. The agency presented that information as risk comparisons with unvaccinated adults, rather than provide timely snapshots of hospitalized patients stratified by age, sex, race and vaccination status.
But the C.D.C. has been routinely collecting information since the Covid vaccines were first rolled out last year, according to a federal official familiar with the effort. The agency has been reluctant to make those figures public, the official said, because they might be misinterpreted as the vaccines being ineffective.
Ms. Nordlund confirmed that as one of the reasons. Another reason, she said, is that the data represents only 10 percent of the population of the United States. But the C.D.C. has relied on the same level of sampling to track influenza for years.
Some outside public health experts were stunned to hear that information exists.
“We have been begging for that sort of granularity of data for two years,” said Jessica Malaty Rivera, an epidemiologist and part of the team that ran Covid Tracking Project, an independent effort that compiled data on the pandemic till March 2021.
A detailed analysis, she said, “builds public trust, and it paints a much clearer picture of what’s actually going on.”
Concern about the misinterpretation of hospitalization data broken down by vaccination status is not unique to the C.D.C. On Thursday, public health officials in Scotland said they would stop releasing data on Covid hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status because of similar fears that the figures would be misrepresented by anti-vaccine groups.
But the experts dismissed the potential misuse or misinterpretation of data as an acceptable reason for not releasing it.
“We are at a much greater risk of misinterpreting the data with data vacuums, than sharing the data with proper science, communication and caveats,” Ms. Rivera said.
When the Delta variant caused an outbreak in Massachusetts last summer, the fact that three-quarters of those infected were vaccinated led people to mistakenly conclude that the vaccines were powerless against the virus — validating the C.D.C.’s concerns.
But that could have been avoided if the agency had educated the public from the start that as more people are vaccinated, the percentage of vaccinated people who are infected or hospitalized would also rise, public health experts said.
“Tell the truth, present the data,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a vaccine expert and adviser to the Food and Drug Administration. “I have to believe that there is a way to explain these things so people can understand it.”
Knowing which groups of people were being hospitalized in the United States, which other conditions those patients may have had and how vaccines changed the picture over time would have been invaluable, Dr. Offit said.
Relying on Israeli data to make booster recommendations for Americans was less than ideal, Dr. Offit noted. Israel defines severe disease differently than the United States, among other factors.
“There’s no reason that they should be better at collecting and putting forth data than we were,” Dr. Offit said of Israeli scientists. “The C.D.C. is the principal epidemiological agency in this country, and so you would like to think the data came from them.”
C.D.C. data. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has published only a tiny fraction of the Covid data it has collected, including critical data on boosters and hospitalizations, citing incomplete reports or fears of misinterpretation. Critics say the practice causes confusion.
It has also been difficult to find C.D.C. data on the proportion of children hospitalized for Covid who have other medical conditions, said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics’s Committee on Infectious Diseases.
The academy’s staff asked their partners at the C.D.C. for that information on a call in December, according to a spokeswoman for the A.A.P., and were told it was unavailable.
Ms. Nordlund pointed to data on the agency’s website that includes this information, and to multiple published reports on pediatric hospitalizations with information on children who have other health conditions.
The pediatrics academy has repeatedly asked the C.D.C. for an estimate on the contagiousness of a person infected with the coronavirus five days after symptoms begin — but Dr. Maldonado finally got the answer from an article in The New York Times in December.
“They’ve known this for over a year and a half, right, and they haven’t told us,” she said. “I mean, you can’t find out anything from them.”
Experts in wastewater analysis were more understanding of the C.D.C.’s slow pace of making that data public. The C.D.C. has been building the wastewater system since September 2020, and the capacity to present the data over the past few months, Ms. Nordlund said. In the meantime, the C.D.C.’s state partners have had access to the data, she said.
Despite the cautious preparation, the C.D.C. released the wastewater data a week later than planned. The Covid Data Tracker is updated only on Thursdays, and the day before the original release date, the scientists who manage the tracker realized they needed more time to integrate the data.
“It wasn’t because the data wasn’t ready, it was because the systems and how it physically displayed on the page wasn’t working the way that they wanted it to,” Ms. Nordlund said.
The C.D.C. has received more than $1 billion to modernize its systems, which may help pick up the pace, Ms. Nordlund said. “We’re working on that,” she said.
The agency’s public dashboard now has data from 31 states. Eight of those states, including Utah, began sending their figures to the C.D.C. in the fall of 2020. Some relied on scientists volunteering their expertise; others paid private companies. But many others, such as Mississippi, New Mexico and North Dakota, have yet to begin tracking wastewater.
Utah’s fledgling program in April 2020 has now grown to cover 88 percent of the state’s population, with samples being collected twice a week, according to Nathan LaCross, who manages Utah’s wastewater surveillance program.
Wastewater data reflects the presence of the virus in an entire community, so it is not plagued by the privacy concerns attached to medical information that would normally complicate data release, experts said.
“There are a bunch of very important and substantive legal and ethical challenges that don’t exist for wastewater data,” Dr. Scarpino said. “That lowered bar should certainly mean that data could flow faster.”
Tracking wastewater can help identify areas experiencing a high burden of cases early, Dr. LaCross said. That allows officials to better allocate resources like mobile testing teams and testing sites.
Wastewater is also a much faster and more reliable barometer of the spread of the virus than the number of cases or positive tests. Well before the nation became aware of the Delta variant, for example, scientists who track wastewater had seen its rise and alerted the C.D.C., Dr. Scarpino said. They did so in early May, just before the agency famously said vaccinated people could take off their masks.
Even now, the agency is relying on a technique that captures the amount of virus, but not the different variants in the mix, said Mariana Matus, chief executive officer of BioBot Analytics, which specializes in wastewater analysis. That will make it difficult for the agency to spot and respond to outbreaks of new variants in a timely manner, she said.
“It gets really exhausting when you see the private sector working faster than the premier public health agency of the world,” Ms. Rivera said.
Apoorva Mandavilli is a reporter for The New York Times, focusing on science and global health. She is the 2019 winner of the Victor Cohn Prize for Excellence in Medical Science Reporting. @apoorva_nyc

Correction: Feb. 20, 2022

The C.D.C. has received more than $1 billion to modernize its systems. Due to an editing error, a previous version of this article said the amount was $11 billion.
 
The CDC instructed health care providers on 3/23/20 to list anyone dying who tested positive as a Covid death. They put doctors in jail for falsifying death certificates and that’s exactly what they instructed them to do. There’s only one reason they did this: to control the population through fear. This is how far down into the abyss our government has gone.

This is utterly ridiculous.

It's about money. Don't be stupid.
 
this isn't about ideology. The whole system is broken. Lobbyists and corporate greed did this.
Aaaannnnnd there’s the deflection ladies and gentlemen

There. It. Is. After months, years of claiming cOnSPIraCy ThEORieS, it’s now simply a broken system, devoid of politics and all about corporate greed

Anyone who takes you seriously at this point has the attention span of a squirrel
 
this isn't about ideology. The whole system is broken. Lobbyists and corporate greed did this.
I disagree. I think it is about ideology. The ideology of shutting down public debate and discourse. People in the CDC rigged data because they didn’t want people to use it to defend ideas that ran counter to their policies. Same thing has happened with climate change. It is an ideology that government or organizations know better and shutting down other perspectives is OK.
 
this isn't about ideology. The whole system is broken. Lobbyists and corporate greed did this.

You say that but who is playing along with all this garbage? Who is facilitating it? Which side of the political sphere thinks what happened in Canada made it perfectly valid for the government to take such egregious action? Who still wants to mass children in school? Who's running the city that just fired 1,300 people because they didn't want to get the shot? Who thinks as of late last year people shouldn't be able to leave their homes if they don't have the shot? Who regularly quotes the science only to violate the science (because they're a special) while realizing that none of what they're saying is science actually fits that definition? We could go on and on with these questions. It is absolutely ideological in addition to being all those things you stated as well.
 
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It was absolutely wrong not to publish the data, but she's right that people would misinterpret it. We see that all the time on this board - how many times have we seen people here use the stats from other highly vaccinated countries to regurgitate nonsense about the vaccines not working because more vaccinated people were hospitalized than non-vaxxed? It's easy to explain if you understand math but it seems impossible for people here to grasp the concept that it's still a much lower percentage of the vaxxed that were being hospitalized. Or they understand but want to misrepresent it anyway.
 
This whole article is about why the CDC hasn't released some data. The whole conclusion is based on ONE PERSON saying people might misinterpret the data. Thats a shit show of a journalistic piece.

They should release the data though, theres no good excuse. Those here who claim this is political, might be misunderstanding what they are seeing. People drawing a line from this to claim that this is about control, need to understand thats not a good argument because you don't have any idea who actually has the power in this country.
ahem corporations
 
If you can sincerely say you believe covid hasn’t been politicized, there’s no reasoning with you.

Waste of time.
 
I would argue that the conservative side of that politicization (which did occur), is a reaction to the initial liberal politicization.

Liberals had a plan.

It did exactly what they intended it to do.

Now, here we are.
lol no they don't they don't do anything. 'Liberals' have ideals that tend to lead to lots of plans with pretty much 0% success rate at getting implemented. You can't just claim that the Trump government was liberal and planned this whole thing. ITs a dumb take. DUMB.
Whats more likely, is in this instance of not letting the data out, is that people are negligent and biased about releasing the data. That doens't imply a PLAN.
 
lol no they don't they don't do anything. 'Liberals' have ideals that tend to lead to lots of plans with pretty much 0% success rate at getting implemented. You can't just claim that the Trump government was liberal and planned this whole thing. ITs a dumb take. DUMB.
Whats more likely, is in this instance of not letting the data out, is that people are negligent and biased about releasing the data. That doens't imply a PLAN.
I think you’ve got it backwards.
 
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This whole article is about why the CDC hasn't released some data. The whole conclusion is based on ONE PERSON saying people might misinterpret the data. Thats a shit show of a journalistic piece.

They should release the data though, theres no good excuse. Those here who claim this is political, might be misunderstanding what they are seeing. People drawing a line from this to claim that this is about control, need to understand thats not a good argument because you don't have any idea who actually has the power in this country.
ahem corporations
It’s also based on delta instead of omicron
 
I think you’ve got it backwards.
Are you familiar with the citizens united ruling? If not then I could understand your absolute flailing at understanding who owns the power in washington now. Nothing works without corporate say so. I work for a fortune 100, I get some briefings about this.
 
Are you familiar with the citizens united ruling? If not then I could understand your absolute flailing at understanding who owns the power in washington now. Nothing works without corporate say so. I work for a fortune 100, I get some briefings about this.
Congrats on your fortune 100 job.
 
Are you familiar with the citizens united ruling? If not then I could understand your absolute flailing at understanding who owns the power in washington now. Nothing works without corporate say so. I work for a fortune 100, I get some briefings about this.

Congrats on your fortune 100 job.

I've worked for elected officials at almost every level of government (no county electeds, but federal, state and local in senior roles). It's always about the money.
 
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I've worked for elected officials at almost every level of government (no county electeds, but federal, state and local in senior roles). It's always about the money.
On this we can agree! It's always about the $$$. The more $$$ the govt controls, the more control they have on the citizenry.
Also, I have never seen a politician that was poorer 5-10 yrs after they left office than when they went into office. That goes for both parties.
 
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Are you familiar with the citizens united ruling? If not then I could understand your absolute flailing at understanding who owns the power in washington now. Nothing works without corporate say so. I work for a fortune 100, I get some briefings about this.

You should look up the ruling. While we were all worried about other things, the democracy got bought.

This is so commonly referred to. Unfortunately it's done so without an understanding of how our system works. The Supreme Court ruled on what our constitution provides for now. They aren't saying what's right or wrong. They simply rule on what the Constitution states about a given matter. Then it's up to us to decide if we agree or disagree. If we disagree we can go about the process of passing your laws or amending the Constitution to address concerns. This is been done quite a number of times in our past but these days we don't seem to understand that it is still an application that is in place. I agree with the citizens united decision and I also hate it. We need to do something about it. But it's not the Supreme Court's fault that things are this way. It's our fault. In the end our Constitution says what it says and it doesn't say what it doesn't say. The people have the power to fill in the blanks when necessary.
 
This is utterly ridiculous.

It's about money. Don't be stupid.
It’s about power and also the elites getting richer of course, don’t you be stupid. It’s already been stated by Johns Hopkins the lock downs had statistically no effect on the death rate but it was an excuse to suspend civil rights so they ran with it in the face of tens of thousands of doctors and nurses protesting and signing petitions against it. Governments around the world are mandating a vaccine that doesn’t prevent infection and transmission and the inventer of the mRNA vaccine technology Dr Robert Malone, says if your not at high risk to not get the vaccine. When you give people power they crave more. The elites want control and are getting it more and more. Just look at Trudeau and see how drunk with power he is. There’s zero reason to mandate a vaccine for people who work alone 24/7 but that’s what he wants. There is no logic to this, only a lust for power.
 
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