Cenk is coming around. Glad to see it:

[Solid Orange Blood]

When I became a Democrat, it was the more tolerant party. Republicans were run by religious nut jobs and corporate robots. Now, the Democrats are in a lot of ways the less tolerant party.

The least tolerant part is actually the establishment wing of the party that says anyone opposing their anointed leaders is committing heresy. If you try to give constructive criticism of the party to improve it, they drive you from the party while screaming, “He’s not a real Democrat!!”

They hate populists. They have become the corporate robots I couldn’t stand. They hate their base. They insult our intelligence by pretending that the donors are not in charge. They think we should be controlled and learn how to follow orders. And they have no idea how elitist they sound.

Predictably, their unironic reaction to this post will be, “Heretic!!”

Spoiler: Source

We need more of this as well:

 

[fatpiggy]

They are starting to realize their pompousness.

 

[dpic73]

Thanks for letting us know what these people we don't attention to say to make sure they don't lose their viewers. The little I know about them, it seems they've always put their fingers up to see which way the wind is blowing and now that the non-Maga crowd is feeling X en masse to Bluesky, they have to do something to stay relevant. Good luck to them.

 

[WapPride]

Cenk is an opportunist and is going where he can make the most money. It's as simple as that. Republicans own the 21st century media (social media, podcasts, online presence, etc) and the Democrats are stuck in the 20th century thinking anyone still watches talking heads on tv. Democrats need to completely revamp the way they get their messaging out if they want any chance of winning elections in the future.

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

Thanks for letting us know what these people we don't attention to say to make sure they don't lose their viewers. The little I know about them, it seems they've always put their fingers up to see which way the wind is blowing and now that the non-Maga crowd is feeling X en masse to Bluesky, they have to do something to stay relevant. Good luck to them.

Yeah, I know you only ingest information from media personalities and propaganda accounts on twitter. Why is that?

Cenk is an opportunist and is going where he can make the most money. It's as simple as that. Republicans own the 21st century media (social media, podcasts, online presence, etc) and the Democrats are stuck in the 20th century thinking anyone still watches talking heads on tv. Democrats need to completely revamp the way they get their messaging out if they want any chance of winning elections in the future.

You don't see anything wrong the current status of the democratic party's message?

 

[WapPride]

Yeah, I know you only ingest information from media personalities and propaganda accounts on twitter. Why is that?




You don't see anything wrong the current status of the democratic party's message?

I don't agree with 100% of the Democratic party's message, but I don't think that's what you're asking. I think the Dems made a grave mistake in countering the country's inflation concerns with "but the stock market is doing great!" The overwhelming majority of the country doesn't even fund a 401k, so countering complaints of high groceries with "yeah, but look at how great your retirement account is doing" is a mistake.

I think a bigger concern is the manner in which the Democrat party gets their message out to the masses, as well as fully understanding the plight of the common citizen. I think it's still too early to decipher what exactly went wrong 2 weeks ago, and anyone saying the know with 100% certainty the reason the Dems lost isn't being truthful.

 

[dpic73]

Yeah, I know you only ingest information from media personalities and propaganda accounts on twitter. Why is that?

You have no idea who I do or don't listen to but for someone who openly promotes the twats from known Russian assets, it's rich of you to accuse others of ingesting propaganda. Now back to the subject - these pompous flip-floppers do not define me and I'm unimpressed by their analysis.

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

I don't agree with 100% of the Democratic party's message, but I don't think that's what you're asking. I think the Dems made a grave mistake in countering the country's inflation concerns with "but the stock market is doing great!" The overwhelming majority of the country doesn't even fund a 401k, so countering complaints of high groceries with "yeah, but look at how great your retirement account is doing" is a mistake.

I think a bigger concern is the manner in which the Democrat party gets their message out to the masses, as well as fully understanding the plight of the common citizen. I think it's still too early to decipher what exactly went wrong 2 weeks ago, and anyone saying the know with 100% certainty the reason the Dems lost isn't being truthful.

"fully understanding the plight of the common citizen" What do you mean by this? What defines a common citizen in your mind?

Anytime a party loses an election, there's never a black and white explanation. Do you think the parties shift to a more progressive stance had anything to do with the loss?

You have no idea who I do or don't listen to but for someone who openly promotes the twats from known Russian assets, it's rich of you to accuse others of ingesting propaganda. Now back to the subject - these pompous flip-floppers do not define me and I'm unimpressed by their analysis.

Known russian assets? What the heck are you talking about? What exactly is unimpressive?

 

[TigerRagRob]

Thanks for letting us know what these people we don't attention to say to make sure they don't lose their viewers. The little I know about them, it seems they've always put their fingers up to see which way the wind is blowing and now that the non-Maga crowd is feeling X en masse to Bluesky, they have to do something to stay relevant. Good luck to them.

Bluesky lol. Its not like the left didn't do this before with Threads or whatever...

 

[TigerRagRob]

"fully understanding the plight of the common citizen" What do you mean by this? What defines a common citizen in your mind?

Anytime a party loses an election, there's never a black and white explanation. Do you think the parties shift to a more progressive stance had anything to do with the loss?




Known russian assets? What the heck are you talking about? What exactly is unimpressive?

He's a Ukraine bot just spouting off Ukrainian propaganda

 

[TigerRagRob]

Cenk is an opportunist and is going where he can make the most money. It's as simple as that. Republicans own the 21st century media (social media, podcasts, online presence, etc) and the Democrats are stuck in the 20th century thinking anyone still watches talking heads on tv. Democrats need to completely revamp the way they get their messaging out if they want any chance of winning elections in the future.

You dont think Anna has any influence with Cenk?

 

[uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

They’re both intolerant in their own ways. The Democrats are more sanctimonious IMO

 

[TheValley91]

Democrats admitting the faults in their own parties while also frustrated with the path Trump followers are going.

Republicans falling into trolling and never backing down no matter what.

Just another thread on this board.

 

[leetp]

Cenk is an opportunist and is going where he can make the most money. It's as simple as that. Republicans own the 21st century media (social media, podcasts, online presence, etc) and the Democrats are stuck in the 20th century thinking anyone still watches talking heads on tv. Democrats need to completely revamp the way they get their messaging out if they want any chance of winning elections in the future.

The only outlet the right ever dominated was radio. That whole medium died with Rush. They seem to have a big podcast and YouTube presence, but YouTube is constantly putting the screws to them. I guess they can be on X now, but they are far from dominating the socials.

Oh, and I have know idea who this 'Cenk' character is. Cool story though.

 

[WapPride]

"fully understanding the plight of the common citizen" What do you mean by this? What defines a common citizen in your mind?

Anytime a party loses an election, there's never a black and white explanation. Do you think the parties shift to a more progressive stance had anything to do with the loss?




Known russian assets? What the heck are you talking about? What exactly is unimpressive?

I suppose "average citizen" would've been a better term to use than "common citizen." Your average citizen doesn't have an in depth investment account, and is much more impacted by inflation/high building costs/rising tuition and medical costs/etc than i think the Dems in power understand.

I don't know the answer to the question about progressive shift, and honestly i think it'll take time to fully research this to understand if it did or didn't. You could make the argument that when Kamala stopped pushing progressive policies about a month before the election and started trying to court the Cheneys/former Republicans you could sense a drop off in enthusiasm for her. I'll be interested to read more about it in the coming years after more research has been done and some of these theories have evidence supporting them.

 

[WapPride]

The only outlet the right ever dominated was radio. That whole medium died with Rush. They seem to have a big podcast and YouTube presence, but YouTube is constantly putting the screws to them. I guess they can be on X now, but they are far from dominating the socials.

Oh, and I have know idea who this 'Cenk' character is. Cool story though.

Radio was replaced by podcasts/social media influencing. There's a reason 8-9 of the top 10 most viewed political podcasts are operated by Republicans/Republican adjacent individuals.* Credit where it's due, the Republicans have done a tremendous job tapping into that market and establishing a dominant foothold while the liberals were stuck with MSNBC and CNN (whose viewership numbers are DWARFED by those podcasts.)

*https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com/

 

[WapPride]

We can also go further into depth wrt to social media influencing politics.* Fox News has a peak primetime viewership of 2.5m, with under 250k viewers under 55. MSNBC is a fraction of that. Rogan averages 11m per episode, and the overwhelming majority are under 55. This is what I mean when i think the Dems have a messaging issue. I can't really think of any big time leftwing podcasts out there - maybe Pod Save America, or Jon Stewart's new one?

The last few days TikTok/IG has been abuzz with people crying about how they didn't know Obamacare was the same as the ACA and are now terrified that they're going to lose their coverage/pre-existing conditions protections if Project 2025 is enacted (which it will be).

*https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/news-influencers-social-media-pew-report-rcna179786

 

[ANEW]

The only outlet the right ever dominated was radio. That whole medium died with Rush. They seem to have a big podcast and YouTube presence, but YouTube is constantly putting the screws to them. I guess they can be on X now, but they are far from dominating the socials.

Oh, and I have know idea who this 'Cenk' character is. Cool story though.

Mark Levin has a pretty dedicated following. Nowhere near what Rush had in '90's though

 

[leetp]

Radio was replaced by podcasts/social media influencing. There's a reason 8-9 of the top 10 most viewed political podcasts are operated by Republicans/Republican adjacent individuals.* Credit where it's due, the Republicans have done a tremendous job tapping into that market and establishing a dominant foothold while the liberals were stuck with MSNBC and CNN (whose viewership numbers are DWARFED by those podcasts.)

*https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com/

Is it the REPUBS though, or quasi-independents with center-right world view? I see a lot of these popular outlets trashing both REPUBS and DEMS, albeit still with a decided small gov't bent together with a mix of traditional values and modern libertarianism. Of course, that describes my worldview precicely, so maybe I am blinded by my own bias?

I guess the distinction has implications as to whether this is largely organic and representative of larger public sentiment or is it a manufactured coordinated attempt at social engineering. Given my worldview, I tend to believe it is largely organic. But I am here to have my worldview challenged, so...how to do you see it?

 

[moradatiger70]

Radio was replaced by podcasts/social media influencing. There's a reason 8-9 of the top 10 most viewed political podcasts are operated by Republicans/Republican adjacent individuals.* Credit where it's due, the Republicans have done a tremendous job tapping into that market and establishing a dominant foothold while the liberals were stuck with MSNBC and CNN (whose viewership numbers are DWARFED by those podcasts.)

*https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com/

Seriously?
Rogan (#1 Podcaster) was not and is not Republican. He moved toward Trump because of Policy and veered away from the left because of how they made this country unsafe and unbearable, period!

 

[moradatiger70]

What's not to like??

• Secure the border, finish building the wall, and deport illegal aliens
• De-weaponize the Federal Government by increasing accountability and oversight of the FBI and DOJ
• Unleash American energy production to reduce energy prices
• Cut the growth of government spending to reduce inflation
• Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress
• Improve education by moving control and funding of education from DC bureaucrats directly to parents and state and local governments
• Ban biological males from competing in women' s sports

 

[leetp]

Radio was replaced by podcasts/social media influencing. There's a reason 8-9 of the top 10 most viewed political podcasts are operated by Republicans/Republican adjacent individuals.* Credit where it's due, the Republicans have done a tremendous job tapping into that market and establishing a dominant foothold while the liberals were stuck with MSNBC and CNN (whose viewership numbers are DWARFED by those podcasts.)

*https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com/

Also, you left out ABC, NBC and CBS. These are daily shows with combined viewership in the 5-7 million range each day. Unlike with cable news, there are no conservative voices across any of the major TV broadcast networks.

 

[leetp]

What's not to like??

• Secure the border, finish building the wall, and deport illegal aliens
• De-weaponize the Federal Government by increasing accountability and oversight of the FBI and DOJ
• Unleash American energy production to reduce energy prices
• Cut the growth of government spending to reduce inflation
• Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress
• Improve education by moving control and funding of education from DC bureaucrats directly to parents and state and local governments
• Ban biological males from competing in women' s sports

That's obviously Project 2025, which I am 100% for.

 

[WapPride]

Is it the REPUBS though, or quasi-independents with center-right world view? I see a lot of these popular outlets trashing both REPUBS and DEMS, albeit still with a decided small gov't bent together with a mix of traditional values and modern libertarianism. Of course, that describes my worldview precicely, so maybe I am blinded by my own bias?

I guess the distinction has implications as to whether this is largely organic and representative of larger public sentiment or is it a manufactured coordinated attempt at social engineering. Given my worldview, I tend to believe it is largely organic. But I am here to have my worldview challenged, so...how to do you see it?

I'm sorry, I should've used "right wing" instead of "republican." I assumed we all realized it's the same thing, for the most part.
Rogan - A dimwit that just follows whatever his interviewee says. He just happens to have more rightwing guests on since the Dems are idiots that didn't recognize the value in this new medium.
Shawn Ryan - rightwing
Theo Von - similar to Rogan in that he's a dipshit that just kinda follows whatever the person he's interviewing says. His interview with Stavros recently was very good.
Candace Owens - speaks for itself
Charlie Kirk - speaks for itself
Tucker Carlson - speaks for itself
Megyn Kelly - speaks for itself.

Those are 7 of the top 10 most listened to podcasts in the US.

I would side with you and agree it started organically. I think following the success of Rogan, people with deep pockets realized there's a good space there to influence young people since all they do is listen to podcasts and browse tiktok. It's why Charlie Kirk, and other rightwing influencers, got ousted recently for having a large portion of their income/salaries come from overseas (Russia.)

When you have the overwhelming majority of 12-25 year old people getting their worldview shaped by Andrew Tate/red-pill/toxic masculinity bullshit, you can see how we got to where we are in 2024. It's probably a good reason why 18-29 year olds broke for Trump at a massive clip.

 

[WapPride]

Also, you left out ABC, NBC and CBS. These are daily shows with combined viewership in the 5-7 million range each day. Unlike with cable news, there are no conservative voices across any of the major TV broadcast networks.

Once again, no one is watching that shit except people over 55. You're drastically overestimating how many people get their worldview shaped by legacy media vs social media.

 

[leetp]

I'm sorry, I should've used "right wing" instead of "republican." I assumed we all realized it's the same thing, for the most part.
Rogan - A dimwit that just follows whatever his interviewee says. He just happens to have more rightwing guests on since the Dems are idiots that didn't recognize this new medium.
Shawn Ryan - rightwing
Theo Von - similar to Rogan in that he's a dipshit that just kinda follows whatever the person he's interviewing says. His interview with Stavros recently was very good.
Candace Owens - speaks for itself
Charlie Kirk - speaks for itself
Tucker Carlson - speaks for itself
Megyn Kelly - speaks for itself.

Those are 7 of the top 10 most listened to podcasts in the US.

I would side with you and agree it started organically. I think following the success of Rogan, people with deep pockets realized there's a good space there to influence young people since all they do is listen to podcasts and browse tiktok. It's why Charlie Kirk, and other rightwing influencers, got ousted recently for having a large portion of their income/salaries come from overseas (Russia.)

When you have the overwhelming majority of 12-25 year old people getting their worldview shaped by Andrew Tate/red-pill/toxic masculinity bullshit, you can see how we got to where we are in 2024. It's probably a good reason why 18-29 year olds broke for Trump at a massive clip.

Not a huge fan of right/left labels, but we can run with that for now.

I didn't realize Jon Stewart got supplanted as the primary news source for young people?

Trump did make a 6% gain among 18-29 y/o's and I am willing to take it at face value that the rise podcasting played a nontrivial role in this swing. There is something to the audio-only format that lends itself to the mashup of quasi-conservative/quasi-libertarian worldview or otherwise right-wing worldview. (side note: once upon a time, libertarianism was understood to be a left-wing point of view, but I digress.) It is not that the left as not thrown everything they had at breaking through in the radio (and perhaps podcast) medium, it just never takes off.

And let's dwell on the Russia connection to Kirk, et al, for a minute.... do you really think Russia is promoting Kirk's worldview or are they trying to foment unrest? How many lefties were the Russkies also funding? Have you ever paused to ponder this? If you'll recall, before Russia-gate took off, the media was actually reporting that foreign actors were thought to be fomenting violence at both Hiliary and Trump campaign events. Russia did not give a crap about who won, they just wanted the winner to be hamstrung by bitter political division and distrust--and they GOT IT...in SPADES!!! Ultimately, Russia cares little about who wins. Both parties will work against Russia's interest in their own ways. All Russia really wants in the end is for us to stay bitterly divided.

 

[leetp]

Once again, no one is watching that shit except people over 55. You're drastically overestimating how many people get their worldview shaped by legacy media vs social media.

Their reported television ratings are not insubstantial. You gave me CNN and MSNBC. I was just completing your list. CBS, NBC, and ABC are all ahead of every cable news outlet by healthy margins. You can still get each of these three networks using over-the-air antennas without paying a dime. And I know they aren't "news" per se, but if you add ESPN and their overt left bias to the mix, right-wing media is still very much in the minority when it comes to total media coverage. Heck, they are likely still very much in the minority without adding ESPN to the mix.

Legacy media is not doubt losing its grip, but it has not lost it yet.

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[WapPride]

Not a huge fan of right/left labels, but we can run with that for now.

I didn't realize Jon Stewart got supplanted as the primary news source for young people?

Trump did make a 6% gain among 18-29 y/o's and I am willing to take it at face value that the rise podcasting played a nontrivial role in this swing. There is something to the audio-only format that lends itself to the mashup of quasi-conservative/quasi-libertarian worldview or otherwise right-wing worldview. (side note: once upon a time, libertarianism was understood to be a left-wing point of view, but I digress.) It is not that the left as not thrown everything they had at breaking through in the radio (and perhaps podcast) medium, it just never takes off.

And let's dwell on the Russia connection to Kirk, et al, for a minute.... do you really think Russia is promoting Kirk's worldview or are they trying to foment unrest? How many lefties were the Russkies also funding? Have you ever paused to ponder this? If you'll recall, before Russia-gate took off, the media was actually reporting that foreign actors were thought to be fomenting violence at both Hiliary and Trump campaign events. Russia did not give a crap about who won, they just wanted the winner to be hamstrung by bitter political division and distrust--and they GOT IT...in SPADES!!! Ultimately, Russia cares little about who wins. Both parties will work against Russia's interest in their own ways. All Russia really wants in the end is for us to stay bitterly divided.

Stewart wasn't really in the game for a decade or so - think he just made a comeback in 2023? Though, tbqh, he's not viewed the same way among the 18-29 year old crowd as he is among the older millenial/Gen X crowd since we grew up with him during the Daily Show's hayday ridiculing Bush. You make a good point with your libertarian comment. I think a lot of people grew up thinking libertarians were "independent" and people who were probably more liberal-inclined called themselves libertarian because tbqh saying you're a liberal in the south was a great way to get demonized/ostracized.

I think Russia's game is to always sow unrest and drive a wedge between citizens of their opposition. They've been the laughing stock of the world stage for going on 3 years now, and have shown the world they have a laughably shitty military. I agree 100% with your last sentence. That is absolutely their main priority/goal.

 

[WapPride]

Their reported television ratings are not insubstantial. You gave me CNN and MSNBC. I was just completing your list. CBS, NBC, and ABC are all ahead of every cable news outlet by healthy margins. You can still get each of these three networks using over-the-air antennas without paying a dime. And I know they aren't "news" per se, but if you add ESPN and their overt left bias to the mix, right-wing media is still very much in the minority when it comes to total media coverage. Heck, they are likely still very much in the minority without adding ESPN to the mix.

Legacy media is not doubt losing its grip, but it has not lost it yet.

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CBS/NBC/ABC aren't, imo at least, as overtly partisan as CNN/MSNBC/FOX. I'm sure you realize, these are publicly traded companies whose main goal is to make profits. They make the most money when they get the most eyes on them, and they're probably happy as shit Trump is back in office due to the outrage they can feast on.

IDK much about this ESPN leftwing bias, unless you're talking about them getting rid of Sage Steele and others over their anti-vax COVID hysteria. Pat McAfee is probably the most popular guy on ESPN right now and he's not leftwing at all.

 

[leetp]

CBS/NBC/ABC aren't, imo at least, as overtly partisan as CNN/MSNBC/FOX. I'm sure you realize, these are publicly traded companies whose main goal is to make profits. They make the most money when they get the most eyes on them, and they're probably happy as shit Trump is back in office due to the outrage they can feast on.

IDK much about this ESPN leftwing bias, unless you're talking about them getting rid of Sage Steele and others over their anti-vax COVID hysteria. Pat McAfee is probably the most popular guy on ESPN right now and he's not leftwing at all.

Agree, CBS/NBC/CBS News are not as far left as MSNBC, but they are decidedly and objectively left of center. However, "their" morning talk show programming might just go harder left than anything MSNBC does...and by "their", who I really mean is The View...but all of morning programming is further left than the straight news programming.

Here's a media bias chart from allsides.com. I see it as a little too friendly to the left (Reuters, MarketWach and Reason are absolutely not center), but it's a good jumping off point:

AllSides Media Bias Chart

The AllSides Media Bias Chart is an easy way for you to identify political bias in the news so you can be better equipped to navigate our increasingly polarized media landscape.

www.allsides.com

 

[TigerRagRob]

Is it the REPUBS though, or quasi-independents with center-right world view? I see a lot of these popular outlets trashing both REPUBS and DEMS, albeit still with a decided small gov't bent together with a mix of traditional values and modern libertarianism. Of course, that describes my worldview precicely, so maybe I am blinded by my own bias?

I guess the distinction has implications as to whether this is largely organic and representative of larger public sentiment or is it a manufactured coordinated attempt at social engineering. Given my worldview, I tend to believe it is largely organic. But I am here to have my worldview challenged, so...how to do you see it?

You have establishment ruling class Reps and Dems and populist Reps and Dems. Establishment types like Bush, Cheyne, Romney, Graham, Clinton, Obama, Biden. Then you have populist like Bernie, Paul, Trump, AOC, Cenk, Gabbard, Elon, Tucker etc. Im in the populist camp as my politics leans center/right. Im conservative on economics and foreign policy but liberal on social issues...