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DeepSeek is Cheap Chinese Propaganda Trick

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The CCP is a smart cookie

Fake it till you can make it.

The AI demo was all fabricated and staged to look like it was going to be a winner in the AI race

Well folks tell me why because I don’t think it is legit
 
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Just wait til Trump and Elon say "Open Ai should've done 'this and that' had they done what Elon wanted" which suspiciously looks exactly like what DeepSeek has done and the MAGA Cult will prove themselves 'right' as always. So nah, dude.

**** China and the CCP but I'm sick of you and MAGA's cultish spins on everything.
 
Just wait til Trump and Elon say "Open Ai should've done 'this and that' had they done what Elon wanted" which suspiciously looks exactly like what DeepSeek has done and the MAGA Cult will prove themselves 'right' as always. So nah, dude.

**** China and the CCP but I'm sick of you and MAGA's cultish spins on everything.
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Just wait til Trump and Elon say "Open Ai should've done 'this and that' had they done what Elon wanted" which suspiciously looks exactly like what DeepSeek has done and the MAGA Cult will prove themselves 'right' as always. So nah, dude.

**** China and the CCP but I'm sick of you and MAGA's cultish spins on everything.

Get sicker because MAGA is winning bigly

USA USA USA GO MAGA GO

Suggest moving to third world country
 
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My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.
 
My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.

My sources say different but I will agree that there is a reckoning coming on who wins
 
Hrmmmm. Well I'm not able to research this at length. However, if there's one thing g I know for certain, if they open sourced there algorithms.... and they have, we will know for certain if they are full of shit shortly.
 
My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.
Is your company fortune 100?
 
The CCP is a smart cookie

Fake it till you can make it.

The AI demo was all fabricated and staged to look like it was going to be a winner in the AI race

Well folks tell me why because I don’t think it is legit

Man. You can use it now. It's an impressive model. You are missing the mark on the problem.

But you ARE right that this is likely Chinese propaganda.

Again, not because it doesn't work. It does, it works quite well. They gathered some of chinas best developers on that team to build it.

The propaganda and lies come in when they start talking about the resources used to create it. It's almost certain they used restricted chips, at a scale that is surprising. They definitely definitely spent a lot more money on development than they are claiming and the price structure could be the result of gov. support.

We don't know the answers, other than to say we can be certain what we are being told isn't the actual truth.
 
Hrmmmm. Well I'm not able to research this at length. However, if there's one thing g I know for certain, if they open sourced there algorithms.... and they have, we will know for certain if they are full of shit shortly.

To be clear I know nothing of value in regards to the technical aspect

I worked with a large US defense contractor and have old contacts that are skeptical

I am also under NDA restrictions and unlike the 51 former Intelligence guys I have clean Clearance record and am not tainted

Time is going to tell

To metaphor this WE ARE IN A RACE IN THE FIRST TURN

The finish is going to be crazy

US military cannot use the Chinese version
 
Buying Nvidia stock yesterday was a smart play.

Last year I selectively invested in what most people call the super 7

The Invidia in my wife ‘s portfolio has made her look like a stock picker genius

I am myself still wondering snd skeptical on IA and how to use it without creating problems
 
Buying Nvidia stock yesterday was a smart play.

20% discount!

I dumped almost all of my reserves in.

Deepseek was still made with Nvidia chips. So whatever the truth is on the amount of resources needed, it still an Nvidia product. Nobody else can do what Nvidia leads the world in.
 
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My company works a lot with AI. I’m at a company offsite now and had a few beers earlier with one of our top engineers. He’s looked into it and says it’s legit, but there’s a lot of the LLMs building off of one another. I suspect a US company will quickly catch up and we will see Moore’s law on steroids.
This. If you build it they will come.

I keep hearing about Jevons Paradox.
 
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Jevons Paradox is an economic theory that suggests that as technological progress or policy changes increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, the rate of consumption of that resource may increase rather than decrease. This counterintuitive outcome was first observed by the English economist William Stanley Jevons in his 1865 book "The Coal Question."

Jevons noticed that as the efficiency of coal use in steam engines improved, the overall consumption of coal did not decrease but instead increased. His reasoning was that with more efficient use, the effective price or cost of using coal went down, which in turn made its use more attractive, leading to an increase in demand. Here's how it typically unfolds:

  1. Efficiency Improvement: A technology or policy leads to more efficient use of a resource, e.g., better fuel efficiency in cars.
  2. Decrease in Effective Cost: The cost per unit of utility (like miles per gallon) decreases, making the resource cheaper relative to its utility.
  3. Increased Consumption: This efficiency can lead to a "rebound effect" where people use more of the resource because it's now cheaper in terms of utility. For instance, if cars become more fuel-efficient, people might drive more, negating some or all of the energy-saving benefits.
  4. Overall Increase in Use: Despite the initial aim to conserve the resource, total consumption might go up due to increased use or new uses becoming economically viable.

This paradox is particularly relevant in discussions about energy efficiency, environmental policies, and resource management. It challenges the straightforward assumption that efficiency gains will lead to reduced resource use. Instead, it suggests that efficiency must be coupled with other measures like taxation or regulation to achieve actual reductions in resource consumption.

For example, in the context of energy:

  • Energy Efficiency: More efficient light bulbs or appliances.
  • Rebound Effect: People might leave lights on longer or buy more energy-consuming devices because energy seems cheaper per unit of light or work done.
  • Net Effect: The overall energy use might not decrease as much as expected or could even increase.

Thus, when designing policies or technologies aimed at conservation, it's crucial to consider Jevons Paradox to avoid unintended consequences where efficiency leads to higher consumption.
 
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