Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA

[TigerGrowls]

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN​

By Jim Hoft
Published August 2, 2021 at 10:38am

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.
Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state.
He published his results on his popular Telegram page.
Keshel confirms President Trump won: PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN.
TRENDING: Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN
And Keshel also believes cyber-flipping may have affected the results in NM, VA, NJ, and NH.
According to Keshel’s investigation there were conservatively 8,144,000 excess Joe Biden votes recorded in the 2020 election.

Here is Seth Keshel’s post from this morning.

Here is a tale of the tape for Excess Biden Votes based on trend analysis in the modern political era, considering population growth/decline, recent voter history, and registration information, including registration by party.
My estimates are always lenient, and do not account for cyber flipping of votes.
Trump won: PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA, MN
Likely/Possible Trump if cyber flipping occurring: NM, VA, CO, NJ, NH
Closer than you thought: WA, OR, RI, CT, HI

 

[clemsontiger02]

This reminds me of the time you said that Trump actually won California.

Want to revisit that one?

 

[DW4_2016]

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN​

By Jim Hoft
Published August 2, 2021 at 10:38am

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.
Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state.
He published his results on his popular Telegram page.
Keshel confirms President Trump won: PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN.
TRENDING: Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN
And Keshel also believes cyber-flipping may have affected the results in NM, VA, NJ, and NH.
According to Keshel’s investigation there were conservatively 8,144,000 excess Joe Biden votes recorded in the 2020 election.

Here is Seth Keshel’s post from this morning.

You don’t read so good, does ya?

 

[yoshi121374]

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN​

By Jim Hoft
Published August 2, 2021 at 10:38am

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.
Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state.
He published his results on his popular Telegram page.
Keshel confirms President Trump won: PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN.
TRENDING: Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN
And Keshel also believes cyber-flipping may have affected the results in NM, VA, NJ, and NH.
According to Keshel’s investigation there were conservatively 8,144,000 excess Joe Biden votes recorded in the 2020 election.

Here is Seth Keshel’s post from this morning.

What is your purpose in posting this article? Do you think that it proves something, or brings any new info to the table? All that this proves is that Trump, the original RINO was less popular than other, real republicans. It's exactly what any common sense American already knew.

 

[scotchtiger]

What is your purpose in posting this article? Do you think that it proves something, or brings any new info to the table? All that this proves is that Trump, the original RINO was less popular than other, real republicans. It's exactly what any common sense American already knew.

If you are a Republican looking for a silver lining, stats like these show that pro-left policy sentiment did not swing the election, anti-trump sentiment did. So to correct, put Trump out to pasture and enhance positioning on policy.

 

[dpic73]

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN​

By Jim Hoft
Published August 2, 2021 at 10:38am

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.
Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state.
He published his results on his popular Telegram page.
Keshel confirms President Trump won: PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN.
TRENDING: Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN
And Keshel also believes cyber-flipping may have affected the results in NM, VA, NJ, and NH.
According to Keshel’s investigation there were conservatively 8,144,000 excess Joe Biden votes recorded in the 2020 election.

Here is Seth Keshel’s post from this morning.

So basically. he didn't find any "actual fraud"

"Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state."

 

[acwill07]

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN​

By Jim Hoft
Published August 2, 2021 at 10:38am

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.
Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state.
He published his results on his popular Telegram page.
Keshel confirms President Trump won: PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN.
TRENDING: Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN
And Keshel also believes cyber-flipping may have affected the results in NM, VA, NJ, and NH.
According to Keshel’s investigation there were conservatively 8,144,000 excess Joe Biden votes recorded in the 2020 election.

Here is Seth Keshel’s post from this morning.

The fact that you would post this is proof of your unintelligence.

 

[iceheart08]

The fact that you would post this is proof of your unintelligence.

The bigger problem is the gateway pundit. Who post this as fact and people eat it up. They are doing the Russians job for them.

 

[clemsontiger02]

The bigger problem is the gateway pundit. Who post this as fact and people eat it up. They are doing the Russians job for them.

For way too many, this "audit" is a path to cash at the expense of the true believers. The Gateway Pundit is towards the top of that list.

Misinformation site Gateway Pundit is dominating coverage of Arizona's election audit

 

[yoshi121374]

If you are a Republican looking for a silver lining, stats like these show that pro-left policy sentiment did not swing the election, anti-trump sentiment did. So to correct, put Trump out to pasture and enhance positioning on policy.

Exactly this. I am socially fairly liberal,but fiscally conservative. I didn't hate all of trump's policies,but I absolutely detested him as a human. I also have very real concerns over where he was taking the rhetoric in the USA.

If I was a moderate republican I would be very concerned with Trump really damaging the brand. I would definitely lean more towards the Kinzinger type candidate than the DeSantis type. With the right candidate I could be swayed to vote republican,but I won't ever vote for anyone who supported Trump.

 

[dpic73]

If you are a Republican looking for a silver lining, stats like these show that pro-left policy sentiment did not swing the election, anti-trump sentiment did. So to correct, put Trump out to pasture and enhance positioning on policy.

What do you think of Tucker sucking up to Hungary's fascist leader this week? Is this the direction Republicans want to take the country?

Fox News’ Tucker Carlson to Speak at Far-Right Conference in Hungary After Meeting With Viktor Orban

The Fox News host’s talk at the far-right gathering in Budapest comes after he met with the country’s authoritarian leader—and as he broadcasts his show from the city.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[scotchtiger]

What do you think of Tucker sucking up to Hungary's fascist leader this week? Is this the direction Republicans want to take the country?

Fox News’ Tucker Carlson to Speak at Far-Right Conference in Hungary After Meeting With Viktor Orban

The Fox News host’s talk at the far-right gathering in Budapest comes after he met with the country’s authoritarian leader—and as he broadcasts his show from the city.

www.thedailybeast.com

View embedded media

I don’t think anything of it, I haven’t watched Fox in months. The news on both sides is unbearable now.

 

[TigerGrowls]

President Trump disagrees with you nimrods. I will take his word on this one.

President Trump - Gives Shout-Out to Analyst Seth Keshel - Releases HUGE Statement On Election Irregularities: "Something Must Be Done—IMMEDIATELY!" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jordan Conradson

President Donald Trump released a statement today on the HUGE election fraud that Democrats are fighting like hell to cover up.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[dpic73]

President Trump disagrees with you nimrods. I will take his word on this one.

President Trump - Gives Shout-Out to Analyst Seth Keshel - Releases HUGE Statement On Election Irregularities: "Something Must Be Done—IMMEDIATELY!" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jordan Conradson

President Donald Trump released a statement today on the HUGE election fraud that Democrats are fighting like hell to cover up.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[clemsontiger02]

President Trump disagrees with you nimrods. I will take his word on this one.

President Trump - Gives Shout-Out to Analyst Seth Keshel - Releases HUGE Statement On Election Irregularities: "Something Must Be Done—IMMEDIATELY!" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jordan Conradson

President Donald Trump released a statement today on the HUGE election fraud that Democrats are fighting like hell to cover up.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

I can't stop laughing at "President Trump Gives Shout-Out to Anal" that renders in the article preview on my phone!

 

[dpic73]

 

[TigerGrowls]

I can't stop laughing at "President Trump Gives Shout-Out to Anal" that renders in the article preview on my phone!

You have your fonts too large old man. It doesnt show that way on my view.

 

[clemsontiger02]

You have your fonts too large old man. It doesnt show that way on my view.

Regardless of the why, you have to admit that it's funny, right?

And I submit that it would be funny if anyone (insert name here) appeared to give a "shout-out to anal".

 

[dpic73]

Regardless of the why, you have to admit that it's funny, right?

And I submit that it would be funny, but not surprising if anyone (TigerGrowls) appeared to give a "shout-out to anal with Trump".

 

[scotchtiger]

The bigger problem is the gateway pundit. Who post this as fact and people eat it up. They are doing the Russians job for them.

I had never read it until Growls brought that drivel to to this board, but it's awful. The writing quality is pathetic. And the headlines are more suited for the national enquirer than a news publication.

 

[scotchtiger]

Exactly this. I am socially fairly liberal,but fiscally conservative. I didn't hate all of trump's policies,but I absolutely detested him as a human. I also have very real concerns over where he was taking the rhetoric in the USA.

If I was a moderate republican I would be very concerned with Trump really damaging the brand. I would definitely lean more towards the Kinzinger type candidate than the DeSantis type. With the right candidate I could be swayed to vote republican,but I won't ever vote for anyone who supported Trump.

I don't really know what a moderate Republican is anymore, but maybe I'm one. But yes, damage to the image of the party is done. We went from the "negative" image of pro-business and pro-rich people to a bunch a knuckle dragging conspiracy theorists.

We desperately need a new party leader to emerge and to somehow transition away from Trump without losing many of his voters.

 

[yoshi121374]

I don't really know what a moderate Republican is anymore, but maybe I'm one. But yes, damage to the image of the party is done. We went from the "negative" image of pro-business and pro-rich people to a bunch a knuckle dragging conspiracy theorists.

We desperately need a new party leader to emerge and to somehow transition away from Trump without losing many of his voters.

Agreed. Honestly, both parties and America would really benefit from some strong moderate leaders. I think most of the country really wants to see Washington accomplish something bipartisan. We may disagree on how to get there, but we have way more in common then that which separates us. We need to quit believing that compromise is bad. Compromise is how stuff gets done in all walks of life.

 

[clemsontiger02]

I had never read it until Growls brought that drivel to to this board, but it's awful. The writing quality is pathetic. And the headlines are more suited for the national enquirer than a news publication.

Apparently Trump is another loyal reader who believes everything that trash rag writes.


According to contemporaneous Justice Department notes taken during the end of Donald Trump’s time in office, the then-president directly and repeatedly berated his top federal law enforcers to back his election-fraud lies. But when they wouldn’t support his anti-democratic crusade, Trump resorted to accusing his senior DOJ officials of not being as extremely online as he was.

For starters, he was chastising them for not reading enough of The Gateway Pundit.

Website Run by ‘Dumbest Man on the Internet’ Helped Fuel Trump’s Effort to Cancel Democracy

Photo Illustration by The Daily Beast/GettyAccording to contemporaneous Justice Department notes taken during the end of Donald Trump’s time in office, the then-president directly and repeatedly berated his top federal law enforcers to back his election-fraud lies. But when they wouldn’t support...

www.yahoo.com

 

[yoshi121374]

I don't really know what a moderate Republican is anymore, but maybe I'm one. But yes, damage to the image of the party is done. We went from the "negative" image of pro-business and pro-rich people to a bunch a knuckle dragging conspiracy theorists.

We desperately need a new party leader to emerge and to somehow transition away from Trump without losing many of his voters.

I also think that one of the strategic moves that the Republican party made that has really hurt is the alignment with the Religious Right socially. It's an odd marriage really when the republicans party is typically pro-business, pro-personal wealth, etc and the most conservative churches and very low education and low wealth.

 

[scotchtiger]

I also think that one of the strategic moves that the Republican party made that has really hurt is the alignment with the Religious Right socially. It's an odd marriage really when the republicans party is typically pro-business, pro-personal wealth, etc and the most conservative churches and very low education and low wealth.

Maybe. But the Republican Party, at least pre-Trump, was considered more focused on family values and they are also pro-life.

Republicans need to take up some goodwill causes as I’ve advocated for previously. Food access and nutrition for example, and as a lead-in to reducing healthcare costs over time. Good for the people and for the bottom line.

 

[dpic73]

Apparently Trump is another loyal reader who believes everything that trash rag writes.


According to contemporaneous Justice Department notes taken during the end of Donald Trump’s time in office, the then-president directly and repeatedly berated his top federal law enforcers to back his election-fraud lies. But when they wouldn’t support his anti-democratic crusade, Trump resorted to accusing his senior DOJ officials of not being as extremely online as he was.

For starters, he was chastising them for not reading enough of The Gateway Pundit.

Website Run by ‘Dumbest Man on the Internet’ Helped Fuel Trump’s Effort to Cancel Democracy

Photo Illustration by The Daily Beast/GettyAccording to contemporaneous Justice Department notes taken during the end of Donald Trump’s time in office, the then-president directly and repeatedly berated his top federal law enforcers to back his election-fraud lies. But when they wouldn’t support...

www.yahoo.com

Frightening

"The site has routinely been cited and sued as a source of misinformation across a range of topics. Twitter suspended the outlet’s account and that of its founder, Jim Hoft, for spreading election misinformation in February. In November 2019, Wikipedia included the site in its list of untrustworthy sources which editors should not rely on. The site is notorious for falsely blaming Democrats or Trump critics for breaking acts of mass violence, as it did during a shooting at a Jacksonville, Florida video game tournament and at the 2017 Charlottesville white nationalist rally. The latter earned Hoft a lawsuit when his site falsely claimed that a State Department diplomat “staged” an attack on anti-racist protesters. The suit remains ongoing.

In the aftermath of the 2020 election, the site was particularly close to the Trump campaign’s legal team as it attempted to overturn Joe Biden’s victory. In early December 2020, The Gateway Pundit published a conspiracy-laden internal report from the Trump campaign’s legal team falsely casting Dominion Voting Systems as a suspicious company with ties to Venezuela. The report was sent to the Trump legal team by an aide to Trump’s then-top trade adviser Peter Navarro, former Trump legal-team adviser Bernard Kerik told The Daily Beast in March."

 

[yoshi121374]

Maybe. But the Republican Party, at least pre-Trump, was considered more focused on family values and they are also pro-life.

Republicans need to take up some goodwill causes as I’ve advocated for previously. Food access and nutrition for example, and as a lead-in to reducing healthcare costs over time. Good for the people and for the bottom line.

Agreed. We really need to focus on nutrition and better access for all. Better nutrition would lead to much lower medical costs with a focus on reduction in Diabetes,heart related issues, etc. The challenge is that better food costs more, and high carbohydrate food is filling and cheap.

I spent most of my career in food service and this is of particular interst to me. Especially since I've had personal struggles with blood sugar and high blood pressure.

 

[scotchtiger]

Agreed. We really need to focus on nutrition and better access for all. Better nutrition would lead to much lower medical costs with a focus on reduction in Diabetes,heart related issues, etc. The challenge is that better food costs more, and high carbohydrate food is filling and cheap.

I spent most of my career in food service and this is of particular interst to me. Especially since I've had personal struggles with blood sugar and high blood pressure.

Public/private partnerships to bring healthy food options into underserved communities would be a huge policy win for republicans. And soften their image and show they care about underserved people, while addressing a root cause of our most significant spending problem.

We should then phase in insurance rating based in controllable health areas - like obesity (the #1 comorbidity of Covid) - to drive down insurance premiums and further incentivize healthier habits.

 

[yoshi121374]

Public/private partnerships to bring healthy food options into underserved communities would be a huge policy win for republicans. And soften their image and show they care about underserved people, while addressing a root cause of our most significant spending problem.

We should then phase in insurance rating based in controllable health areas - like obesity (the #1 comorbidity of Covid) - to drive down insurance premiums and further incentivize healthier habits.

And I would be 100% on board with that. So would many of the people I know. We just need actual leaders who can present these ideas in a way that shows empathy as well as the reasoning financially behind this.

If you forget his personal baggage for a second, Clinton was a master at this.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I had never read it until Growls brought that drivel to to this board, but it's awful. The writing quality is pathetic. And the headlines are more suited for the national enquirer than a news publication.

Call it what you want. I call it truth and a counter to lies on msm.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Regardless of the why, you have to admit that it's funny, right?

And I submit that it would be funny if anyone (insert name here) appeared to give a "shout-out to anal".

LOL....ok its amusing a little bit.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Frightening

"The site has routinely been cited and sued as a source of misinformation across a range of topics. Twitter suspended the outlet’s account and that of its founder, Jim Hoft, for spreading election misinformation in February. In November 2019, Wikipedia included the site in its list of untrustworthy sources which editors should not rely on. The site is notorious for falsely blaming Democrats or Trump critics for breaking acts of mass violence, as it did during a shooting at a Jacksonville, Florida video game tournament and at the 2017 Charlottesville white nationalist rally. The latter earned Hoft a lawsuit when his site falsely claimed that a State Department diplomat “staged” an attack on anti-racist protesters. The suit remains ongoing.

In the aftermath of the 2020 election, the site was particularly close to the Trump campaign’s legal team as it attempted to overturn Joe Biden’s victory. In early December 2020, The Gateway Pundit published a conspiracy-laden internal report from the Trump campaign’s legal team falsely casting Dominion Voting Systems as a suspicious company with ties to Venezuela. The report was sent to the Trump legal team by an aide to Trump’s then-top trade adviser Peter Navarro, former Trump legal-team adviser Bernard Kerik told The Daily Beast in March."

 

[scotchtiger]

Call it what you want. I call it truth and a counter to lies on msm.

Oh I think the msm is full of sh!t too. There are few places reporting news completely objectively.

 

[elwood49]

We went from the "negative" image of pro-business and pro-rich people to a bunch a knuckle dragging conspiracy theorists.

It is weird. I used to think of Republicans as country club/yacht club types. Now I feel like it has shifted to factory worker/uneducated folks who delve into conspiracies. It is a weird dynamic. The first group still exists, but has been supplanted in vocality by the latter.

I am an independent who is fiscally conservative (low tax, pro business) and socially liberal (mostly anti-religion). I feel like policy making due to organized religion is one of the biggest problems with this country. I’ve voted Republican every election with the exception of the last one. If there ever was a leader who would lower taxes and cut out all the God BS (ie ignoring science) I would be a fan for life.

 

[yoshi121374]

It is weird. I used to think of Republicans as country club/yacht club types. Now I feel like it has shifted to factory worker/uneducated folks who delve into conspiracies. It is a weird dynamic. The first group still exists, but has been supplanted in vocality by the latter.

I am an independent who is fiscally conservative (low tax, pro business) and socially liberal (mostly anti-religion). I feel like policy making due to organized religion is one of the biggest problems with this country. I’ve voted Republican every election with the exception of the last one. If there ever was a leader who would lower taxes and cut out all the God BS (ie ignoring science) I would be a fan for life.

What's interesting is that I would also consider myself moderate, but I am a Christian. I however,don't want to see laws based on any one religion. I grew up with friends of Multiple religions and I believe strongly in respecribg other religions and viewpoints.

I also am really dismayed at the decline in respect and trust for people who are experts. It's scary to see such distrust and even hatred for education and learning.

I

 

[elwood49]

It's scary to see such distrust and even hatred for education and learning.

I

It is disturbing. It’s like if you went to medical school, law school, business school, PHD, etc that you are chastised as a “liberal elite”. There are tons of highly intelligent people who never went to college due to financial or other reasons, but the bar is more easily measured by acceptance to good schools/programs. Not that Clemson is some bastion of academia, but it at least provides a fairly low bar to clear.

Would be interested to know when @TigerGrowls graduated from Clemson for example- or if he went there at all. I never experienced anything like him when I was at Clemson. Most of the students were open minded and fairly accepting.

 

[scotchtiger]

It is weird. I used to think of Republicans as country club/yacht club types. Now I feel like it has shifted to factory worker/uneducated folks who delve into conspiracies. It is a weird dynamic. The first group still exists, but has been supplanted in vocality by the latter.

I am an independent who is fiscally conservative (low tax, pro business) and socially liberal (mostly anti-religion). I feel like policy making due to organized religion is one of the biggest problems with this country. I’ve voted Republican every election with the exception of the last one. If there ever was a leader who would lower taxes and cut out all the God BS (ie ignoring science) I would be a fan for life.

What's interesting is that I would also consider myself moderate, but I am a Christian. I however,don't want to see laws based on any one religion. I grew up with friends of Multiple religions and I believe strongly in respecribg other religions and viewpoints.

I also am really dismayed at the decline in respect and trust for people who are experts. It's scary to see such distrust and even hatred for education and learning.

It is disturbing. It’s like if you went to medical school, law school, business school, PHD, etc that you are chastised as a “liberal elite”. There are tons of highly intelligent people who never went to college due to financial or other reasons, but the bar is more easily measured by acceptance to good schools/programs. Not that Clemson is some bastion of academia, but it at least provides a fairly low bar to clear.

Would be interested to know when @TigerGrowls graduated from Clemson for example- or if he went there at all. I never experienced anything like him when I was at Clemson. Most of the students were open minded and fairly accepting.

I think the part of the party you are describing is either a vocal minority or what the media wants to portray. I'm Christian, but understand separation of church and state. I believe in science. I have a MBA and believe in education.

There are tons of Republicans like me. We don't think climate change is a "hoax," but may disagree about how to proceed. We think higher education is a good thing, but oppose liberal teachings like critical race theory. We believe in equal opportunity, but not the government attempting to force equal outcomes (which is being incorporated into higher ed).

It's simple. We want limited government, reasonable and equitable taxes, a focus on personal responsibility and accountability, common sense, pro-business/jobs climate, economic growth, capitalism, etc etc.

 

[yoshi121374]

It is disturbing. It’s like if you went to medical school, law school, business school, PHD, etc that you are chastised as a “liberal elite”. There are tons of highly intelligent people who never went to college due to financial or other reasons, but the bar is more easily measured by acceptance to good schools/programs. Not that Clemson is some bastion of academ

I think the part of the party you are describing is either a vocal minority or what the media wants to portray. I'm Christian, but understand separation of church and state. I believe in science. I have a MBA and believe in education.

There are tons of Republicans like me. We don't think climate change is a "hoax," but may disagree about how to proceed. We think higher education is a good thing, but oppose liberal teachings like critical race theory. We believe in equal opportunity, but not the government attempting to force equal outcomes (which is being incorporated into higher ed).

It's simple. We want limited government, reasonable and equitable taxes, a focus on personal responsibility and accountability, common sense, pro-business/jobs climate, economic growth, capitalism, etc etc.

I can work,relate, respect and agree on many of those issues. I think the problem for the Republican party is that they have let this very vocal minority that is protected on this site by the actual RINOs such as @TigerGrowls take over the narrative and rule the party. The real Republicans need to stand front and center and take control or this is going to get bad for the republicans and for America. We need both parties to have a strong center since that is where the vast majority of America is.

I am excited to see that we seem to have an actual bipartisan Infrastructure plan that seems like it will pass. That is really good for America,and something that is despero needed for continued growth and security.

 

[scotchtiger]

I can work,relate, respect and agree on many of those issues. I think the problem for the Republican party is that they have let this very vocal minority that is protected on this site by the actual RINOs such as @TigerGrowls take over the narrative and rule the party. The real Republicans need to stand front and center and take control or this is going to get bad for the republicans and for America. We need both parties to have a strong center since that is where the vast majority of America is.

I am excited to see that we seem to have an actual bipartisan Infrastructure plan that seems like it will pass. That is really good for America,and something that is despero needed for continued growth and security.

Agree on infrastructure and moderates. But look at the politics in that very bill. Pelosi is saying she won't pass it without trillions more in "human" infrastructure. Even the republican detractors are only against it because they feel it is a glidepath to $3T+ in liberal spending.

This highlights how even the non-moderates of one party - in this case the democrats - can affect how both parties treat what should be a good example of compromise.

 

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Agree on infrastructure and moderates. But look at the politics in that very bill. Pelosi is saying she won't pass it without trillions more in "human" infrastructure. Even the republican detractors are only against it because they feel it is a glidepath to $3T+ in liberal spending.

This highlights how even the non-moderates of one party - in this case the democrats - can affect how both parties treat what should be a good example of compromise.

My hope is that the democrats can control the far left of the party and stay more central to get this bill done. They seemed to show that ability by nominating Biden and pulling more centrist vs the more liberal members.

This bill is really important for Biden to show that he can indeed get something accomplished bipartisan so I think that it passes.