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Extreme OT: Do Humans Survive the Death of Earth?

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I'm a huge astronomy buff, and this is really the ultimate question. Until we reach the point where the answer to this question is yes, everything, absolutely every single scientific discovery is meaningless unless it moves us closer to yes.

For the answer to be yes, obviously that means that we would have to find another planet to live on. Or I guess we could advance to the point where we could actually live in/on man-made habitats in space, but that seems unlikely to me; we need a home base.

20 years ago, I would have said the answer is 100% yes, but now, I'm not so sure. We are getting closer from an astronomical standpoint, but from a civics perspective, we're moving backwards. I still think that it's likely, but I'm just less confident.

What do you think?
 
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Elon is already on top of this. If he thinks it is possible, it probably is. Seems like it will be hard to create an artificial atmosphere elsewhere with the proper air, water, soil, etc. for humans to live in indefinitely. Maybe there is another planet out there similar to Earth, but then you run into the whole traveling faster than the speed of light problem or it takes too long to get there.

It appears now that a meteor hitting Earth caused the end of the dinosaur era and it could happen again. I heard an interview in which a scientist said we could develop the technology to prevent this if the world’s governments pulled together. So far they are not interested.

I do think the biggest problem we face is over population. See Easter Island. Sort of glad I will be dead before then.
 
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Trading Tiger said:
I'm a huge astronomy buff, and this is really the ultimate question. Until we reach the point where the answer to this question is yes, everything, absolutely every single scientific discovery is meaningless unless it moves us closer to yes.

For the answer to be yes, obviously that means that we would have to find another planet to live on. Or I guess we could advance to the point where we could actually live in/on man-made habitats in space, but that seems unlikely to me; we need a home base.

20 years ago, I would have said the answer is 100% yes, but now, I'm not so sure. We are getting closer from an astronomical standpoint, but from a civics perspective, we're moving backwards. I still think that it's likely, but I'm just less confident.

What do you think?
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Depends on our future robot overlords
 
Chevaker said:
Elon is already on top of this. If he thinks it is possible, it probably is. Seems like it will be hard to create an artificial atmosphere elsewhere with the proper air, water, soil, etc. for humans to live in indefinitely. Maybe there is another planet out there similar to Earth, but then you run into the whole traveling faster than the speed of light problem or it takes too long to get there.

It appears now that a meteor hitting Earth caused the end of the dinosaur era and it could happen again. I heard an interview in which a scientist said we could develop the technology to prevent this if the world’s governments pulled together. So far they are not interested.

I do think the biggest problem we face is over population. See Easter Island. Sort of glad I will be dead before then.
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Thanks for the legitimate answer. Since you brought up Musk, he thinks the opposite happens...population collapse. Maybe we can change that, China has already abandoned their 1 child policy, they raised it to 2, and if I'm not mistaken, they raised it to 3 shortly after that.
 
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I have another question. Are humans alive when Earth is destroyed. Global warming could kill humans thousands of years before Earth is destroyed.
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Earth ain't going nowhere but life on earth is headed for mass extinction like it has happened before and the process has already started.
 
Chevaker said:
Elon is already on top of this. If he thinks it is possible, it probably is. Seems like it will be hard to create an artificial atmosphere elsewhere with the proper air, water, soil, etc. for humans to live in indefinitely. Maybe there is another planet out there similar to Earth, but then you run into the whole traveling faster than the speed of light problem or it takes too long to get there.

It appears now that a meteor hitting Earth caused the end of the dinosaur era and it could happen again. I heard an interview in which a scientist said we could develop the technology to prevent this if the world’s governments pulled together. So far they are not interested.

I do think the biggest problem we face is over population. See Easter Island. Sort of glad I will be dead before then.
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Saw an interesting theory, where you could burn fossil fuels on Mars, generate at Atmosphere and then grow plants to convert CO2 to oxygen
 
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Trading Tiger said:
I'm watching How the Universe Works on Science Channel.

The Earth will cease to exist at some point in the future, but there's a good chance that Earth will not be able to support life long before it gets gobbled up by the Sun. So one way or another, our time here is limited.
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Can you define "long" in that sentence?
 
Trading Tiger said:
I'm a huge astronomy buff, and this is really the ultimate question. Until we reach the point where the answer to this question is yes, everything, absolutely every single scientific discovery is meaningless unless it moves us closer to yes.

For the answer to be yes, obviously that means that we would have to find another planet to live on. Or I guess we could advance to the point where we could actually live in/on man-made habitats in space, but that seems unlikely to me; we need a home base.

20 years ago, I would have said the answer is 100% yes, but now, I'm not so sure. We are getting closer from an astronomical standpoint, but from a civics perspective, we're moving backwards. I still think that it's likely, but I'm just less confident.

What do you think?
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So...Sounds like the 60's song In The Year 2525 by Zager and Evans if any of you old farts like me or music aficionados might remember.
 
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We’re like bacteria on a Petri dish. We’re running out of nutrients really quickly and drowning in our own filth.

As to your question, my vote is no. I don’t think we quite reach that level of technology prior to the downward spiral of humanity.
 
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So...Sounds like the 60's song In The Year 2525 by Zager and Evans if any of you old farts like me or music aficionados might remember.
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That's trolling deep and going back in time mentioning that song.

I am absolutely convinced 1964-82 was the greatest era of music in recorded world history.
 
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I'm a huge astronomy buff, and this is really the ultimate question. Until we reach the point where the answer to this question is yes, everything, absolutely every single scientific discovery is meaningless unless it moves us closer to yes.

For the answer to be yes, obviously that means that we would have to find another planet to live on. Or I guess we could advance to the point where we could actually live in/on man-made habitats in space, but that seems unlikely to me; we need a home base.

20 years ago, I would have said the answer is 100% yes, but now, I'm not so sure. We are getting closer from an astronomical standpoint, but from a civics perspective, we're moving backwards. I still think that it's likely, but I'm just less confident.

What do you think?
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IMO, yes, but only if we avoid the possible extinction level events that could happen. (Meteor, Nuclear War, etc.)

We already have the tech for human space travel. Assuming we (humans) make it another 40-50 years, I think we will have the tech for longer space travel. Doubtful on near light speed travel, but could certainly see a large spaceship built in space to travel with multiple generations being born/raised on board to travel and create a new colony.

It doesn't take much power to accelerate an object in space, when you can continuously apply "small" amounts of thrust over extended periods of time, the object will continue to accelerate until it is subjected to gravity.

FWIW, the Parker Solar Probe that's currently in space will achieve speeds in excess of 430,000 miles per hour.
 
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Chevaker said:
Elon is already on top of this. If he thinks it is possible, it probably is. Seems like it will be hard to create an artificial atmosphere elsewhere with the proper air, water, soil, etc. for humans to live in indefinitely. Maybe there is another planet out there similar to Earth, but then you run into the whole traveling faster than the speed of light problem or it takes too long to get there.

It appears now that a meteor hitting Earth caused the end of the dinosaur era and it could happen again. I heard an interview in which a scientist said we could develop the technology to prevent this if the world’s governments pulled together. So far they are not interested.

I do think the biggest problem we face is over population. See Easter Island. Sort of glad I will be dead before then.
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Trust me, I'm no expert on this haha. But everything I've heard is that population models have us dropping numbers. For a myriad of reasons, we're not replenishing the population, which comes with its own set of issues down the road.

But to make my guess to OP's question, no, I don't think we go live on another planet. Earth is our ride-or-die.
 
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I think it would take a mass extension event to kill off all humans. We are like cockroaches.

I think survival instinct takes over if it is a slow thing.
 
Paul Strelow said:
Trust me, I'm no expert on this haha. But everything I've heard is that population models have us dropping numbers. For a myriad of reasons, we're not replenishing the population, which comes with its own set of issues down the road.

But to make my guess to OP's question, no, I don't think we go live on another planet. Earth is our ride-or-die.
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So, you are saying that I should hold off a bit longer on buying a new house since demand will be dropping soon? Seriously, that is interesting and I’ll look into it. The OP mentioned that is Musk’s beliefs also. I know Russia is actually encouraging more procreation, and our life expectancy continues to increase at a rapid pace.
 
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So, you are saying that I should hold off a bit longer on buying a new house since demand will be dropping soon? Seriously, that is interesting and I’ll look into it. The OP mentioned that is Musk’s beliefs also. I know Russia is actually encouraging more procreation, and our life expectancy continues to increase at a rapid pace.
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There used to be larger family units. Women working, reduced need for larger families to farm/produce food, birth control, etc have reduced the size of the typical family unit. However, this very well could be a temporary thing as the sheer number of family units overwhelms the decrease in unit size. My mil was one of 9 kids and her mother was one of sixteen. You rarely ever hear of that anymore.
 
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Was listening to a podcast with Michio Kaku today that delved into this a bit and he thinks it’s very possible that at some point we upload our individual selves into a data stream that can be beamed into the vastness of space and eventually downloaded into an avatar. We’d essentially be superhuman and immortal and able to survive in environments that we would consider inhospitable now as humans.

The data stream could travel at the speed of light so we could hit the moon and then Mars in minutes/hours. He thinks it’s possible that aliens who might be a million years older than us are already doing this and we don’t really have the ability to detect their laser transmissions. Assuming we don’t nuke ourselves into oblivion before we evolve the necessary degree, we could actually make intergalactic jumps once our sun dies out.
 
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NSIAP: Since the TI board is full of the elite I figure if we do then the ships will have plenty of us on board. You know? The ships that the 1%ers will have a secret ticket to board when it’s evacuation time. I just hope…..I mean for a friend….that my friend is like the movies where he runs across a ticket, or a way, to miraculously get on board.

Ahh shite, the friend is me. I’m not poor, but rich is not me either. If anyone has some extra tickets would ya please let a brother know?
 
Trading Tiger said:
I'm a huge astronomy buff, and this is really the ultimate question. Until we reach the point where the answer to this question is yes, everything, absolutely every single scientific discovery is meaningless unless it moves us closer to yes.

For the answer to be yes, obviously that means that we would have to find another planet to live on. Or I guess we could advance to the point where we could actually live in/on man-made habitats in space, but that seems unlikely to me; we need a home base.

20 years ago, I would have said the answer is 100% yes, but now, I'm not so sure. We are getting closer from an astronomical standpoint, but from a civics perspective, we're moving backwards. I still think that it's likely, but I'm just less confident.

What do you think?
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This is an incredibly easy question to answer and the answer is no. We are absolutely going to go extinct before we are ever capable of traveling to another planet that could sustain us. There are far, far, too many extinction level events that are possible for us to make it another 7 billion years before the sun destroys us. Obviously we might just destroy each other, but more likely we get wiped out by something natural. An astronomical catastrophe, climate change, disease.

Then of course there’s evolution. So even if we don’t go extinct, if there is a large drop off in human population it would open the doors for a split and a new species of human to form, which may or may not render us extinct. Maybe that species would evolve with higher intelligence and could figure a way to survive off earth. Lots of things can happen in 7 billion years.

I tend to think that if you hop in a time machine and go forward, say, 10 million years You’ll either find that there is no more intelligent life on earth or you’ll find that whatever intelligent species there is (human or otherwise) they largely view us in the way we view early, primitive humans.
 
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I hope to be long gone by then... The earth will be one giant toxic lithium dump for my Chinese speaking great-grandchildren though... And global warming will keep right on going regardless of fossil fuel consumption...
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The world will be a better place due to all the lithium. It’s good for the Bidenpoler.
 
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Chevaker said:
Elon is already on top of this. If he thinks it is possible, it probably is. Seems like it will be hard to create an artificial atmosphere elsewhere with the proper air, water, soil, etc. for humans to live in indefinitely. Maybe there is another planet out there similar to Earth, but then you run into the whole traveling faster than the speed of light problem or it takes too long to get there.

It appears now that a meteor hitting Earth caused the end of the dinosaur era and it could happen again. I heard an interview in which a scientist said we could develop the technology to prevent this if the world’s governments pulled together. So far they are not interested.

I do think the biggest problem we face is over population. See Easter Island. Sort of glad I will be dead before then.
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watch the Netflix movie Don’t Look Up and you will get the point
 
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Was listening to a podcast with Michio Kaku today that delved into this a bit and he thinks it’s very possible that at some point we upload our individual selves into a data stream that can be beamed into the vastness of space and eventually downloaded into an avatar. We’d essentially be superhuman and immortal and able to survive in environments that we would consider inhospitable now as humans.

The data stream could travel at the speed of light so we could hit the moon and then Mars in minutes/hours. He thinks it’s possible that aliens who might be a million years older than us are already doing this and we don’t really have the ability to detect their laser transmissions. Assuming we don’t nuke ourselves into oblivion before we evolve the necessary degree, we could actually make intergalactic jumps once our sun dies out.
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My dentist turned me on to a great sci-fi book series called “We are Bob.” It explores this concept well, and is based in lots of real world science and technology.
It postulates that in the future human consciousness can be uploaded into self replicating space probes that can explore the cosmos to look for suitable planets for colonization.
The main character becomes, involuntarily, one if these probes after his death.
Very well done - I highly recommend this series.
 
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This is an incredibly easy question to answer and the answer is no. We are absolutely going to go extinct before we are ever capable of traveling to another planet that could sustain us. There are far, far, too many extinction level events that are possible for us to make it another 7 billion years before the sun destroys us. Obviously we might just destroy each other, but more likely we get wiped out by something natural. An astronomical catastrophe, climate change, disease.

Then of course there’s evolution. So even if we don’t go extinct, if there is a large drop off in human population it would open the doors for a split and a new species of human to form, which may or may not render us extinct. Maybe that species would evolve with higher intelligence and could figure a way to survive off earth. Lots of things can happen in 7 billion years.

I tend to think that if you hop in a time machine and go forward, say, 10 million years You’ll either find that there is no more intelligent life on earth or you’ll find that whatever intelligent species there is (human or otherwise) they largely view us in the way we view early, primitive humans.
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There is a book you guys should read, it's called the Bible.
 
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And to let yaw know there is no going to another planet cause we can leave. This is a inclosed system. And "nasa" will tell you the same thing. And if yaw know anything about rockets if a human was to be anywhere close when it takes off there body would disintegrate. The frequency, the noise the pressure it's why people have to be so many miles away. Nobody goes in the "SHUTTLES" they a underground safe area they go in. Don't believe everything the "tv" shows you. I mean Half of yaw with bash this cause yaw know this can't be true but have you been there to see it yourself. Or where you told what to believe? No one thinks for themselves anymore. Everybody has to be told what's true or what's false and they will tare you down if you don't go with what they want you to believe. No one debates Noone is aloud to have different views without being called "crazy". It's a sad world with so much deceit
 
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And to let yaw know there is no going to another planet cause we can leave. This is a inclosed system. And "nasa" will tell you the same thing. And if yaw know anything about rockets if a human was to be anywhere close when it takes off there body would disintegrate. The frequency, the noise the pressure it's why people have to be so many miles away. Nobody goes in the "SHUTTLES" they a underground safe area they go in. Don't believe everything the "tv" shows you. I mean Half of yaw with bash this cause yaw know this can't be true but have you been there to see it yourself. Or where you told what to believe? No one thinks for themselves anymore. Everybody has to be told what's true or what's false and they will tare you down if you don't go with what they want you to believe. No one debates Noone is aloud to have different views without being called "crazy". It's a sad world with so much deceit
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Well, that sertainly settles that dbait
 
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