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Everyone should contribute more than they take? So how do you feel about the biggest taker states all being GOP states while the states which give more than they receive are all Dem states
So states that fund millions of illegal immigrants food lodging clothing etc, states that don’t prosecute property crimes, states that have massive healthcare subsidies and homeless encampments are cheaper to live in than states that don’t do those things??? I can do this all day.
 
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I think this perspective would land better if there weren't so many people trying to abuse the asylum process. If a family is legitimately being persecuted in their home country and the only way for them to survive is to seek asylum in the US, sure, maybe a little help as they quickly get established here.

Bu you have a ton of BS asylum seekers that we're also supporting with these funds. That is a waste of taxpayer money. We need to clamp down the asylum process and unless there is an immediate risk to their life, they should wait in their home country while they are vetted.
Sounds like you would support a bill that provided for a lot more judges etc to expedite the many court cases regarding asylum?
 
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Sounds like you would support a bill that provided for a lot more judges etc to expedite the many court cases regarding asylum?

Not really. I would support a bill that allows us to efficiently reject asylum claims en masse unless there is overwhelming evidence that the individual faces life-threatening persecution in their home country.
 
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So states that fund millions of illegal immigrants food lodging clothing etc, states that don’t prosecute property crimes, states that have massive healthcare subsidies and homeless encampments are cheaper to live in than states that don’t do those things??? I can do this all day.
It is a verifiable fact that blue states put more in the federal pot via federal taxes and receive less in return than red states. You’re confusing different things
 
Ok tell me again about the Sesame Street isis connection.

Whose point makes more sense. Mine or yours?
You’re telling me you don’t see how teaching kids about respect, kindness, toleration of differences, etc can be used to combat extremist ideologies?
 
Everyone should contribute more than they take? So how do you feel about the biggest taker states all being GOP states while the states which give more than they receive are all Dem states.

And like I said, immigrants put more in in taxes than they take out in entitlements. We also need immigrants to keep the entitlement system running due to declining birth rates
Illegal immigrants do not put more in in taxes than they take out. Dishonest lie.
 
Everyone should contribute more than they take? So how do you feel about the biggest taker states all being GOP states while the states which give more than they receive are all Dem states.

And like I said, immigrants put more in in taxes than they take out in entitlements. We also need immigrants to keep the entitlement system running due to declining birth rates

Well a state isn't a person ("everyone"), so I'm not sure how that is relevant. But regardless, we know that it is mostly dem voters even in those red states who are taking most of those resources (lower income voters favor dems 58-36 over republicans).

Paying in more taxes than what you take out isn't an accomplishment. That's table stakes. It should be a requirement unless you are mentally or physically disabled. It's not an argument for why financially supporting illegals is okay.

Yes yes, legal, vetted immigrants are a good thing for the country. Subsidized illegal immigrants are not.
 
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Well a state isn't a person ("everyone"), so I'm not sure how that is relevant. But regardless, we know that it is mostly dem voters even in those red states who are taking most of those resources (lower income voters favor dems 58-36 over republicans).

Paying in more taxes than what you take out isn't an accomplishment. That's table stakes. It should be a requirement unless you are mentally or physically disabled. It's not an argument for why financially supporting illegals is okay.

Yes yes, legal, vetted immigrants are a good thing for the country. Subsidized illegal immigrants are not.
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I didn't say anything about skin color. Why did you make it about race?

Nevertheless, looks like white people make up 61% of the country, but only 43% of social assistance recipients. Were you trying to make the point that they are less likely to need social assistance?
 
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Well a state isn't a person ("everyone"), so I'm not sure how that is relevant. But regardless, we know that it is mostly dem voters even in those red states who are taking most of those resources (lower income voters favor dems 58-36 over republicans).

Paying in more taxes than what you take out isn't an accomplishment. That's table stakes. It should be a requirement unless you are mentally or physically disabled. It's not an argument for why financially supporting illegals is okay.

Yes yes, legal, vetted immigrants are a good thing for the country. Subsidized illegal immigrants are not.
Illegal immigrants arent subsidized. They pay more in taxes than they take out
 
Well a state isn't a person ("everyone"), so I'm not sure how that is relevant. But regardless, we know that it is mostly dem voters even in those red states who are taking most of those resources (lower income voters favor dems 58-36 over republicans).

Paying in more taxes than what you take out isn't an accomplishment. That's table stakes. It should be a requirement unless you are mentally or physically disabled. It's not an argument for why financially supporting illegals is okay.

Yes yes, legal, vetted immigrants are a good thing for the country. Subsidized illegal immigrants are not.
Ok if it’s mostly dem voters then why do red states pay less than they take than blue voters?
 
I didn't say anything about skin color. Why did you make it about race?

Nevertheless, looks like white people make up 61% of the country, but only 43% of social assistance recipients. Were you trying to make the point that they are less likely to need social assistance?
I was only making the point that more poor whites receive social assistance than any other group and they tend to vote Republican. That's all...
 
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Are you ****ing high. I’m done with this one.

You are a liar. You’re a lying sociopath.
Take a chill pill man. I’m just telling the truth. Go look it up. Many studies have shown that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive. Typical conservative to not be able to have a conversation and for them to meltdown when they get pushback.
 
Dude, you got here from me saying everyone should contribute more than they take. Has nothing to do with states. Since you manufactured this tangent, I'll let you figure out the answer.
Because Republican policies make people poorer and republicans are fine with states being poor as long as they’re at the top. They aren’t interested in actually improving their states
 
Take a chill pill man. I’m just telling the truth. Go look it up. Many studies have shown that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive. Typical conservative to not be able to have a conversation and for them to meltdown when they get pushback.
Cite it.
 
Not if they have their asylum claim rejected. We will have just wasted money on their housing.

And again, paying more in than you take out isn't some impressive feat or rationale for handouts.
Well considering how long asylum claims take my point still stands
 
Another lone study from an organization that is incredibly biased against immigration/is immigration restrictionist? Yeah ok
This should do just fine.


Conclusion

Illegal immigrants are a significant net fiscal drain -- paying less in taxes than they use in public services. The primary reason they create more in costs than they pay in taxes is their relative low levels of education. Based on prior research, 69 percent of adult illegal immigrants have no education beyond high school, compared to 35 percent of the U.S.-born. As a result, they tend to earn modest wages and make modest tax contributions even when income and payroll taxes are taken out of their pay. This fact, coupled with the relatively heavy demands they make on public coffers -- especially for education, health care, and means-tested programs -- is the reason they are a net fiscal drain.

We estimate that 59 percent of illegal immigrant households use one or more major welfare programs, costing roughly $42 billion a year. At the local level, the largest single cost is for public education. We estimate the cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants, most of whom are U.S.-born, totals $69 billion per year. While illegal immigrants often receive other services for their U.S.-born children, even when we estimate the net fiscal impact of just the illegal immigrants themselves, excluding their U.S.-born children, we still find they create a lifetime net fiscal drain of $68,000 on average (taxes paid minus benefits received).

Even though illegal immigrants are net fiscal drains, they do pay a significant amount in taxes. We estimate illegal immigrants pay $25.9 billion a year to the federal government. Unfortunately, their tax contributions do not cover their consumption of public services.

The net fiscal drain is not the result of illegal immigrants being unwilling to work. In fact, we find that illegal immigrant households are significantly more likely to have at least one worker than households headed by the U.S.-born, and there is little evidence that immigrants come specifically to get welfare.

Legal immigrants and U.S.-born Americans who have relatively few years of school are also a net fiscal drain on average because they too tend to earn modest wages, make modest tax contributions, and use social services extensively. None of this should be seen as a moral failing on the part of low-income people. Nonetheless, it is the reason why communities across the country worry so much about losing their middle-class tax base, as it is primarily middle- and upper-income people who keep public coffers full.

The fiscal situation today is very different from the situation more than 100 years ago during the last great wave of immigrants, when federal, state and local government was a much smaller share of GDP. Also, at that time industrial jobs for the less educated were plentiful and paid, by the standards of the day, relatively high wages. But none this is the case today. We need an immigration policy that reflects current realities, and we need to rigorously enforce it. Otherwise, the fiscal costs will be significant, as many communities across the country are currently finding out.
 
This should do just fine.


Conclusion

Illegal immigrants are a significant net fiscal drain -- paying less in taxes than they use in public services. The primary reason they create more in costs than they pay in taxes is their relative low levels of education. Based on prior research, 69 percent of adult illegal immigrants have no education beyond high school, compared to 35 percent of the U.S.-born. As a result, they tend to earn modest wages and make modest tax contributions even when income and payroll taxes are taken out of their pay. This fact, coupled with the relatively heavy demands they make on public coffers -- especially for education, health care, and means-tested programs -- is the reason they are a net fiscal drain.

We estimate that 59 percent of illegal immigrant households use one or more major welfare programs, costing roughly $42 billion a year. At the local level, the largest single cost is for public education. We estimate the cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants, most of whom are U.S.-born, totals $69 billion per year. While illegal immigrants often receive other services for their U.S.-born children, even when we estimate the net fiscal impact of just the illegal immigrants themselves, excluding their U.S.-born children, we still find they create a lifetime net fiscal drain of $68,000 on average (taxes paid minus benefits received).

Even though illegal immigrants are net fiscal drains, they do pay a significant amount in taxes. We estimate illegal immigrants pay $25.9 billion a year to the federal government. Unfortunately, their tax contributions do not cover their consumption of public services.

The net fiscal drain is not the result of illegal immigrants being unwilling to work. In fact, we find that illegal immigrant households are significantly more likely to have at least one worker than households headed by the U.S.-born, and there is little evidence that immigrants come specifically to get welfare.

Legal immigrants and U.S.-born Americans who have relatively few years of school are also a net fiscal drain on average because they too tend to earn modest wages, make modest tax contributions, and use social services extensively. None of this should be seen as a moral failing on the part of low-income people. Nonetheless, it is the reason why communities across the country worry so much about losing their middle-class tax base, as it is primarily middle- and upper-income people who keep public coffers full.

The fiscal situation today is very different from the situation more than 100 years ago during the last great wave of immigrants, when federal, state and local government was a much smaller share of GDP. Also, at that time industrial jobs for the less educated were plentiful and paid, by the standards of the day, relatively high wages. But none this is the case today. We need an immigration policy that reflects current realities, and we need to rigorously enforce it. Otherwise, the fiscal costs will be significant, as many communities across the country are currently finding out.
Report prepared by a guy at Center for Immigration Studies, an incredibly biased source and called out for being full of crap by everyone across the political spectrum. They aren't a legitimate source in the slightest
 
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