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FEMA sent $59 million to high end hotels last week

It’s not an opinion. Read his comments. He is unequivocally a liberal left wing dingbat. There’s no other way to interpret his words.

He attempted to make an argument that spending 59 million on housing for illegals in one week was cool bc it wasn’t spent on a five star hotel. That’s insane. His literal argument was over whether it was an upscale hotel or a motel 6. Wtf does that matter? What sensible person do you know, lib or not, that would say that openly and repeatedly?

For transparency I am 74 YO Christian Conservative God Bless America Clemson Grad from the Low Country Moderately Successful now retired serving in community activism as a volunteer, donor and in a government elected position. Have lots of contacts to government officials up and down the chain. Also do lots of talking to the folks on the street so I don't care what polls say as I listen to what people say.

With that mouthful I am 100% against DEI as a racist method and 100% in on supporting equality, opportunity and meritocracy and earning not being anointed one's success.

Independent voter but will usually vote Republican on national and sometimes Democratic on local to specific candidates.

Am open minded but also like to always hear both sides of an argument.

Am 100% in on Trump because if I were elected President I would do EXACTLY what he is doing if not more.

Recognize the USA has a deep state problem that must be culled from the government.

So now to deal with @dpic73

I respect his right to speak and listen , but I am thinking he is not really all in or really committed to what he writes.

I think he is somewhat wandering searching for a place to feel comfortable with.

He usually seems to be left wing liberal Democrat, but I think he is NOT COMFORTABLE with that and is looking to make an ideology move.

As the saying goes we shall see.

In his case he has at this time been branded with his present style and is struggling to get a foothold on finding himself that new home.

OK That is my 2 cents worth. LOL
 
That was cute @Spencer_York

This is from congress and not google. Is that an acceptable source?


The literal first sentence:

Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than
they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have
high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The
fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average
education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large
share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born
children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of
illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create.
Key Points
• The current surge of illegal immigration is unprecedented. Some 2.7 million inadmissible
 
It’s not an opinion. Read his comments. He is unequivocally a liberal left wing dingbat. There’s no other way to interpret his words.

He attempted to make an argument that spending 59 million on housing for illegals in one week was cool bc it wasn’t spent on a five star hotel. That’s insane. His literal argument was over whether it was an upscale hotel or a motel 6. Wtf does that matter? What sensible person do you know, lib or not, that would say that openly and repeatedly?


On the hotels for immigrants.

I agree that we are doing too much.

Put them in temporary housing on larger military bases.

Field kitchens and such. Labor required.

No fun all work. No nonsense. No money or handouts.
 
On the hotels for immigrants.

I agree that we are doing too much.

Put them in temporary housing on larger military bases.

Field kitchens and such. Labor required.

No fun all work. No nonsense. No money or handouts.
Gitmo Or send them back where they came from. The only reason they are here is because of our generosity and social programs. I have no problem helping people in need. But they do not belong here or on a tax payer dime. Period

No where in the us constitution does it claim that we are responsible for the entire world. And certainly when we are in debt to the tune of trillions and there are tax paying citizens suffering. I will always stand up for my fellow Americans in these circumstances.
 
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That was cute @Spencer_York

This is from congress and not google. Is that an acceptable source?


The literal first sentence:

Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than
they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have
high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The
fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average
education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large
share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born
children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of
illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create.
Key Points
• The current surge of illegal immigration is unprecedented. Some 2.7 million inadmissible
No, because it's from a guy who works at a think tank that is virulently pro-immigration. A source as biased as they come
 
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No, because it's from a guy who works at a think tank that is virulently pro-immigration. A source as biased as they come
But google, who’s Gemini AI depicts black nazis, is very unbiased right?

What a dumb argument as well. Illegals with no ssn or any way to track them pay more taxes. Are you serious?
 
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I think what republicans should be worried about is fixing the price of groceries, and getting those poor white folks off opiates. Shit has destroyed a generation of workers.
It'd be a lot easier to cut inflation if a handful of inane Dems weren't fighting DOGE at every angle to cut govt spending... The main cause of inflation= govt over-spending.

The handful of logical dems in my inner circle are pissed off about this fight against DOGE and the vast majority of Americans want it (the election results bolster this.)

We should be unified as a country in the desire to root out useless spending/corruption/fraud.


Why does bringing down costs have to be a one team issue?

We need the pendulum to swing back towards the center, so both sides can get their heads out of their asses and focus on fixing the problem instead of spending 90% of their time blaming it on the other team.
 
It'd be a lot easier to cut inflation if a handful of inane Dems weren't fighting DOGE at every angle to cut govt spending... The main cause of inflation= govt over-spending.

The handful of logical dems in my inner circle are pissed off about this fight against DOGE and the vast majority of Americans want it (the election results bolster this.)

We should be unified as a country in the desire to root out useless spending/corruption/fraud.


Why does bringing down costs have to be a one team issue?

We need the pendulum to swing back towards the center, so both sides can get their heads out of their asses and focus on fixing the problem instead of spending 90% of their time blaming it on the other team.
What DOGE is doing is illegal is the problem. The executive branch cannot impound funds. Congress has the power of the purse. And no, I do not think a vast majority of Americans wanted or want an unelected billionaire, the richest man in the world, to break US law and govern as a shadow president while the real president's senile brains are leaking out of his ears.

Slashing government spending like this is not going to lower inflation. It is simply moronic to think that
 
What DOGE is doing is illegal is the problem. The executive branch cannot impound funds. Congress has the power of the purse. And no, I do not think a vast majority of Americans wanted or want an unelected billionaire, the richest man in the world, to break US law and govern as a shadow president while the real president's senile brains are leaking out of his ears.

Slashing government spending like this is not going to lower inflation. It is simply moronic to think that

Trump says suck his hairy balls;

 
It'd be a lot easier to cut inflation if a handful of inane Dems weren't fighting DOGE at every angle to cut govt spending... The main cause of inflation= govt over-spending.

The handful of logical dems in my inner circle are pissed off about this fight against DOGE and the vast majority of Americans want it (the election results bolster this.)

We should be unified as a country in the desire to root out useless spending/corruption/fraud.


Why does bringing down costs have to be a one team issue?

We need the pendulum to swing back towards the center, so both sides can get their heads out of their asses and focus on fixing the problem instead of spending 90% of their time blaming it on the other team.
I am certainly fine with cutting spending, finding waste, etc. And 100% on board with stopping kickbacks/fraud, etc. And there are certainly things that I do think the president has control over, etc when it comes to federal employees, offices, government spending. But I also don't think it's crazy to not want a billionaire to have carte blanche power to pick and choose himself what he finds worthy spending. I can't imagine the reaction here if Biden had given Soros that power. Believe the power of the budget is in the hands of congress.

Nuance is allowed. You can both want waste/fraud cleaned up, and not like how its being done.

Agree about blame etc.
 
I am certainly fine with cutting spending, finding waste, etc. And 100% on board with stopping kickbacks/fraud, etc. And there are certainly things that I do think the president has control over, etc when it comes to federal employees, offices, government spending. But I also don't think it's crazy to not want a billionaire to have carte blanche power to pick and choose himself what he finds worthy spending. I can't imagine the reaction here if Biden had given Soros that power. Believe the power of the budget is in the hands of congress.

Nuance is allowed. You can both want waste/fraud cleaned up, and not like how its being done.

Agree about blame etc.
people aren't happy that a billionaire is leading DOGE, they are not happy that "big balls" is only 20 something years old and is one of the DOGE key contributors. Those two are about as far apart on the wealth spectrum, experience as you can get. So who do you want doing this inspection? Can they not be rich, can they not be young? Do they have to be a certain gender or color? What would make you happy?

My understanding is that the DOGE team is just finding the data......It is up to Trump and other leaders to determine what to do about it. Musk may have some opinions (such as USAID should be shut down), but that is just his opinion.

Marco Rubio definitively said that the work would continue under the state department. So USAID may be shut down, but we are not completely wiping out foreign aid. It makes no sense to me that judges are allowed to stop presidential activities. Biden ignored the Supreme Court (student loans) and NONE of you screamed about it and that was a judicial branch vs executive branch (not a circuit court).
 
people aren't happy that a billionaire is leading DOGE, they are not happy that "big balls" is only 20 something years old and is one of the DOGE key contributors. Those two are about as far apart on the wealth spectrum, experience as you can get. So who do you want doing this inspection? Can they not be rich, can they not be young? Do they have to be a certain gender or color? What would make you happy?

My understanding is that the DOGE team is just finding the data......It is up to Trump and other leaders to determine what to do about it. Musk may have some opinions (such as USAID should be shut down), but that is just his opinion.

Marco Rubio definitively said that the work would continue under the state department. So USAID may be shut down, but we are not completely wiping out foreign aid. It makes no sense to me that judges are allowed to stop presidential activities. Biden ignored the Supreme Court (student loans) and NONE of you screamed about it and that was a judicial branch vs executive branch (not a circuit court).
To be clear, you would have been fine with a liberal right out of college and Soros having access to all of the nations data and payment system under Biden? I am also not generally going to say that all gripes from the left are valid lol. The left has its illogical loons just like the right does. And I would bet that most on the left think the right has more, and I am positive most on the right think the left has more. Kind of the deal with partisanship.

Personally, if they were just completing an audit, providing information on where the money is going, where they believe fraud or waste is happening, I wouldn't have an issue. And a lot of what they are doing I think is likely the executive branch's prerogative. I may not agree with all of it, but if the executive branch wants to fire a bunch of people, and they are federal employees under the executive, then they have that power. They have the power to bring whoever is under them back in the office. I don't have to agree with it, but I agree they have the power. But my understanding is they have actually stopped payments for foreign aid, which was already budgeted by Congress, etc. Are you saying no payments have been stopped? And that they are just being sent by someone other than USAID? (Admittedly, I have no researched etc so am not going to act like an expert). The executive branch has no power to shut down any foreign aid, except they likely have some power in the case of fraud, etc. Which sending money you don't agree with is not fraud. Not liking DEI and thinking some money is going to a DEI program is not fraud. Money going to a charity that supports a policy you don't agree with is not fraud. They may ultimately be wasteful, you may think the money can be used better at home, etc, and I would likely agree on some of the items. But they were all in the budget that Congress set. So unless actual fraud is proven, I don't think the executive branch should be able to stop it. If actual fraud, illegal kickbacks, etc are found, I would expect there to be charges, and I would support them regardless of party affiliation.
 
people aren't happy that a billionaire is leading DOGE, they are not happy that "big balls" is only 20 something years old and is one of the DOGE key contributors. Those two are about as far apart on the wealth spectrum, experience as you can get. So who do you want doing this inspection? Can they not be rich, can they not be young? Do they have to be a certain gender or color? What would make you happy?

My understanding is that the DOGE team is just finding the data......It is up to Trump and other leaders to determine what to do about it. Musk may have some opinions (such as USAID should be shut down), but that is just his opinion.

Marco Rubio definitively said that the work would continue under the state department. So USAID may be shut down, but we are not completely wiping out foreign aid. It makes no sense to me that judges are allowed to stop presidential activities. Biden ignored the Supreme Court (student loans) and NONE of you screamed about it and that was a judicial branch vs executive branch (not a circuit court).
Will also add, that a lot of the boards liberals said they didn't support wiping out student loans. FYI
 
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It'd be a lot easier to cut inflation if a handful of inane Dems weren't fighting DOGE at every angle to cut govt spending... The main cause of inflation= govt over-spending.

The handful of logical dems in my inner circle are pissed off about this fight against DOGE and the vast majority of Americans want it (the election results bolster this.)

We should be unified as a country in the desire to root out useless spending/corruption/fraud.


Why does bringing down costs have to be a one team issue?

We need the pendulum to swing back towards the center, so both sides can get their heads out of their asses and focus on fixing the problem instead of spending 90% of their time blaming it on the other team.
We can't be united as a country rooting our wasteful spending and corruption if the person in charge of doing so is one of the largest receivers of federal money. He's not trustworthy, none of these leaders are that you put in charge. Thats the problem. No one trusts them to do what they say. Just ask the famers who's funding was cut recently.....

Is he doing project 2025? Who knows? He says he isn't but he clearly is and no one trusts Trump to speak truth to what he's doing.
Musk is a billionaire soon to be trillionaire who's been crashing out for 4 years now having some kind of mental break down fueled by ketamine. He's made so many promises to investors that he hasn't fulfilled. IF Trump cuts his carbon tax program (which I would have thought conservatives would be against) his whole house of cards tumbles.

Cutting the soft power that the USAID does, is a large risk, that may cost us tax payers MORE in the long run. We don't TRUST these people who have not stuided these matters for more than a couple months to make good decisions. You shouldn't either.

Yes, lets root out corruption and bad spending. But lets not send in the clowns to do serious work.
 
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You clearly haven’t seen San Francisco or Bay Area California. The most liberal state in the world, run and managed by the most liberal government, is a cesspool of vagrants, criminals and homeless fentanyl addicts. All subsidized by the state. And to that they’re completely inept at keeping their population safe. They literally allow looting of businesses. They let the infrastructure that supports wildfires rot. They wouldn’t clean the dead fall. Rampant voter fraud. Rampant waste. Why?

People and businesses are leaving in droves. People have spoken.

Those areas have huge amounts of tax revenue. Springfield OH doesn't, and when it brought in non drug user workers to actually get everything back on track in the community, the white folks screamed about them eating pets. Ooogie booogie scary brown folks.
Hey white guys in springfield, stop doing drugs and screwing your cousin and get back to work you degenerates.
 
I notice that this post was yesterday 2/9/2025. So FEMA sent money to immigrants. Who is the President now? How could Trump and Musk let this happen? Sounds like they are no better than Biden.

Of course it COULDN'T be Trump's fault, right?
Dems delaying voting on Trumps people. The result is Bidens people still running a lot of the Gov atm... You cant have it both ways...
 
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To be clear, you would have been fine with a liberal right out of college and Soros having access to all of the nations data and payment system under Biden? I am also not generally going to say that all gripes from the left are valid lol. The left has its illogical loons just like the right does. And I would bet that most on the left think the right has more, and I am positive most on the right think the left has more. Kind of the deal with partisanship.

Personally, if they were just completing an audit, providing information on where the money is going, where they believe fraud or waste is happening, I wouldn't have an issue. And a lot of what they are doing I think is likely the executive branch's prerogative. I may not agree with all of it, but if the executive branch wants to fire a bunch of people, and they are federal employees under the executive, then they have that power. They have the power to bring whoever is under them back in the office. I don't have to agree with it, but I agree they have the power. But my understanding is they have actually stopped payments for foreign aid, which was already budgeted by Congress, etc. Are you saying no payments have been stopped? And that they are just being sent by someone other than USAID? (Admittedly, I have no researched etc so am not going to act like an expert). The executive branch has no power to shut down any foreign aid, except they likely have some power in the case of fraud, etc. Which sending money you don't agree with is not fraud. Not liking DEI and thinking some money is going to a DEI program is not fraud. Money going to a charity that supports a policy you don't agree with is not fraud. They may ultimately be wasteful, you may think the money can be used better at home, etc, and I would likely agree on some of the items. But they were all in the budget that Congress set. So unless actual fraud is proven, I don't think the executive branch should be able to stop it. If actual fraud, illegal kickbacks, etc are found, I would expect there to be charges, and I would support them regardless of party affiliation.

Some spending is called discretionary. Not specified so the head of the agency has the discretion to pick and choose.

That executive is still under the leadership of Trump. So what Trump wants is it. The agency executive has no authority over Trump.

That covers everything in your post with the results are TRUMP IS THE HEAD OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH and has the power.

These judges and congress are limited. Biden had that same power but was demented and his staff made the decisions, and Jill Biden was a big figure in the choices.
 
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Some spending is called discretionary. Not specified so the head of the agency has the discretion to pick and choose.

That executive is still under the leadership of Trump. So what Trump wants is it. The agency executive has no authority over Trump.

That covers everything in your post with the results are TRUMP IS THE HEAD OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH and has the power.

These judges and congress are limited. Biden had that same power but was demented and his staff made the decisions, and Jill Biden was a big figure in the choices.
So the executive controls the budget? And the budget can list out programs etc, and the executive can just choose not to?

What do you think the Executive should be limited by?
 
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The judge has no real power over the POTUS. He can call for US Marshals Service to enforce his mandate. The US Marshals Service operates under the direction of the US Attorney General.
Attorney General Pamela Bondi




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I notice that this post was yesterday 2/9/2025. So FEMA sent money to immigrants. Who is the President now? How could Trump and Musk let this happen? Sounds like they are no better than Biden.

Of course it COULDN'T be Trump's fault, right?
You can’t be serious. You think the guy that’s taking a blow torch to waste would’ve authorized this?
 
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Everyone should contribute more than they take? So how do you feel about the biggest taker states all being GOP states while the states which give more than they receive are all Dem states.

And like I said, immigrants put more in in taxes than they take out in entitlements. We also need immigrants to keep the entitlement system running due to declining birth rates
It's only Congressional reports.....but hey, believe that guy on CNN.


"This chaos is also imposing record costs on Americans. Last year, FAIR published a report entitled the Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers. The study strives to illustrate the myriad of ways Americans pay for illegal immigration. Our estimate, which is a conservative one, is that Americans now pay $150.7 billion dollars annually due to illegal immigration. This figure represents a net cost. In terms of gross expenditures due to illegal immigration, we estimate that Americans pay $182 billion. Approximately $31 billion is received from illegal aliens in taxes, only 17 percent of the costs they create."




"Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create."
 
It's only Congressional reports.....but hey, believe that guy on CNN.


"This chaos is also imposing record costs on Americans. Last year, FAIR published a report entitled the Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers. The study strives to illustrate the myriad of ways Americans pay for illegal immigration. Our estimate, which is a conservative one, is that Americans now pay $150.7 billion dollars annually due to illegal immigration. This figure represents a net cost. In terms of gross expenditures due to illegal immigration, we estimate that Americans pay $182 billion. Approximately $31 billion is received from illegal aliens in taxes, only 17 percent of the costs they create."




"Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create."
It isn't an actual congressional report, as in a report generated and researched by Congress. The two things you linked are both congressional testimony (1) and then a report to share with congress (2) created by two outside organizations, Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and Center for Immigration Studies. The explicit purpose of these organizations is to severely limit immigration into the United States. They're full of crap. They're biased sources. Sorry, I'm not going to believe The Center for the 14 Words when it comes to immigration. This would be like a congressional committee on healthy eating having reps from Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory deliver testimony on how chocolate is a crucial part of a healthy diet.

And I'm not believing a guy on CNN, I'm basing this off dozens of studies from across the political spectrum.

None of you guys know how any of this stuff actually works, or what any of it is. It is embarrassing but expected. This is simple stuff, come on.
 
So the executive controls the budget? And the budget can list out programs etc, and the executive can just choose not to?

What do you think the Executive should be limited by?
They have no morals or beliefs, they only think the executive should be limited if it is a Democrat. Otherwise they're fine being ruled by a dictator
 
They have no morals or beliefs, they only think the executive should be limited if it is a Democrat. Otherwise they're fine being ruled by a dictator
I really don't get it sometimes. I didn't want Biden or Obama to have unlimited power either. I'm sure there were some things similar in their administrations that a lot of the left supported that they wouldn't support Trump doing. And there are a number of things right now where I disagree with what is being done, but I do believe he should have the power to do them.
 
I really don't get it sometimes. I didn't want Biden or Obama to have unlimited power either. I'm sure there were some things similar in their administrations that a lot of the left supported that they wouldn't support Trump doing. And there are a number of things right now where I disagree with what is being done, but I do believe he should have the power to do them.
I made peace with the truth that these people are hypocrites a good bit of time ago
 
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I made peace with the truth that these people are hypocrites a good bit of time ago
All you guys do is project. When you guys had the power you defended the abuse and still do. You used lawfare to go after people on the right. You used cancel culture and many other forms of attack against conservatives. Now that the shoe is on the other foot and MOST voters voted for Trump and side with him you cry just like a little piglet in the jaws of a lion. I warned you guys years ago the bill will come due and to remember you asked for this. Now its here so cope...
 
I really don't get it sometimes. I didn't want Biden or Obama to have unlimited power either. I'm sure there were some things similar in their administrations that a lot of the left supported that they wouldn't support Trump doing. And there are a number of things right now where I disagree with what is being done, but I do believe he should have the power to do them.
MAGA yearns for an authoritarian daddy. They don't want anything else except for Trump to do anything he wants. I'll never not be completely baffled how MAGA somehow deluded itself into thinking a billionaire real estate mogul from NYC gives a flying shit about anything beyond making himself more money.
 
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