Forget it.
- Thread starter Joe Cobb
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Tommy, I appreciate this response very much. I know you are a good man which is why I was taken aback by the post. Thanks for owning it. There are many folks on this board than could learn a lot from you. Be well, sir.
Hell, if Trump can do it...why the hell not.
Bottom line is that this isn't going away any time soon. IMHO we can't leave the country closed until we get a vaccine (even if that's early next year). But Jesus H Christ there's a middle ground here that makes a ton more sense than either extreme. If you can work from home, do that. Wear a freaking mask. It's not about protecting YOU. It's about protecting other people FROM you if you get infected. And since apparently about half of folks don't have symptoms, there's a decent chance that if you ARE infected, you don't know it. Don't go places where tons of people are unless you just can't help it. Don't travel unless you have to. Don't go on vacation. Wash your hands. Do everything you can online... Hell, I call whatever store I need to drop by and pay for my stuff and they bring it out to my car. That's NICE.
This is not that hard.
While i dont agree with the comment its hard to feel for some with underlying conditions, your reply is insane. Most small business owners have risked everything to start their endeavor. Many have borrowed or mortgaged everything to live the American dream.
They are not reliant on an employer, they have assumed ALL the risk. And to be FORCED to close their doors and not make a dime while still incurring much of the fixed costs is insane. Not only are they not making money for the risk, they are actually losing thousands (or more) every day they are forced to idle. Thats akin to you being told to maintain your house but you cant live there. Multiply that feeling by a thousand and thats what business owners are feeling. To take that lightly and be told to basically "suck it up" is bs.
In lieu of millions dying and ALL(young, healthy, old, sick) at risk, it wasnt worth it.
That being said, i own a business so my opinion is slighted to be sure. Fortunately mine was considered essential but know many that weren't and the repercussions were dramatic.
I dont know a sole or even a friend of a friend that suffered anything worse than a bad cold or flu. Perhaps if knew many that died i would feel differently.
Man, im just ready to get this behind us so we can talk about things we all AGREE on. The Tigers kicking ass!
Will not happen. Not with myself or anyone I know. I will be going on vacation multiple times.
I feel like where we are now is the middle ground. So yeah I agree. The only things that aren't open are Movie theaters, Bowling alleys , events venues..
I am sure some of those will open soon with certain restrictions..
nope, not doing any of this. I don’t fall for manipulated data like the rest of the sheep. Like I said, find me one doctor thats ever administered a posthumous flu test on someone that died of heart attack, stroke, cancer, ect, and then labeled it a flu death. You won’t find one because it’s never happened, and yet most of the country keeps bending the knee to your government overlords. Pathetic.
Now that we've identified those most at risk, wouldnt it make more sense for the 1% that are most vulnerable to self quarantine and take extra precautions vs the other 99% having to quit travel, go to ballgames, eat out etc until a vaccine is discovered. Then those most at risk can resume normal living.
What u suggest has economic consequences for all of us.
I also own a business. I saw some competitors of mine fold during this shutdown. I took a 50% drop in revenue in April, and a 25% drop in May. The difference was how we ran our businesses. They were over-leveraging themselves by hiring too many people and buying commercial real estate. I kept a smaller team and we were already working virtually when this hit. I am just saying that many businesses were in trouble three weeks in, and that means they were running their business like most american's live their lives... on credit.
Aren't we all socialists now? Didn't our government cut checks to people making less than $70K (and trump signed them)? I didnt get a check b/c I am successful. so if you did get one then I resent you calling me a socialist.
I can agree with your point many were/are overleveraged. That's not a smart way to operate. Have to have a plan to be successful in the good times and the bad.
My bigger issue is being forced by politicians to close.
you mean like the 600 doctors that wrote Trump a letter telling him it’s time to open up because we are looking at a mass casualty event if we don’t? Or do you mean the same health professionals that told us mask dont work but now tell us we have to wear them? Oh wait, you mean the health professionals that were saying there is nothing to worry about in late February and early March, right?
health professionals have been consistently wrong on this from the beginning, and that furthers the theory that this entire thing has been politicized from the beginning.
no chance I got one either. Have fun always wearing a mask and never traveling.
You know... I read shit like this and I have to say I have a unique perspective on this board now. I've had the honor of serving over 100 of you with your mortgages and I've talked to even more of you. The way people go at each other here is stupid. Sorry to sound all kumbaya but we all have a lot more in common than we have that's different. Everyone sees what's going on through a very personal lens. Might be better if we treated each other in a more civil manner. I really like almost everyone I have met from TI. Good people and a lot of great success stories here. Maybe keep that in mind. I know I will in the future.
you definitely got a check. I have been traveling and wearing a mask. I’m not such a little bitch like you that wearing a mask indoors in public is a problem.
Wrong, it's 75k then up to 99k it's prorated, which I do think is a socialist shat scheme... as many Americans that have higher mortgages and bills are struggling just as much as people making less money. https://www.cnet.com/personal-finan...ifications-payment-status-taxes-prepaid-card/\
To think you made a 115k last year and you do not need help...makes as much since as a wet fart on a cold sunny July day. Then they decide to give an extra $600 dollars to unemployment wages which is normally 350/week.....now is around 950/week....and now wonder why unemployment is so high... It makes more sense not to work; you're getting paid more. I don't blame them. And the system is so bogged down right now that it cannot be regulated....by government officials....lol
We're officially living in an age of Idiocracy...and both parties are responsible....screw that we're all responsible. Vote a Clemson professor for president: https://joj2020.com/
@nytigerfan I under stand your differences on this virus. Assuming that you do live in New York...your state and city has been hit much harder than the rest of us. I just want to put things in perspective. I live in Georgia. And I have been going to restaurants and my gym for weeks now...maybe close to a month. I've have been given a good risk assessment by the CDC and other health organizations. I'm more likely to die from a car accident than covid-19. I do have older family members that I love and come in contact with, but I will not hug and get around 6' from them. I make the in-laws wear masks. There's clearly a regional difference on this virus. I've gotten a haircut. Worked out for 4 weeks at public gym. I feel sorry for the people in oppressive states that will not let the young and healthy go about their lives. This virus has been more about politics than stats. NYC is different than ATL. It's more densely populated. However, given the statistics, the young and healthy need to be out. It's not fair to them. It's not fair to our country. Not fair to our retirement accounts. It's not fair to the cancer and cardiac patients seeking help when the hospital is half empty and they cannot maybe admitted due to fear of overrunning the hospital system. I know a fair amount of doctors in Atlanta that are pissed about this. It's not fair to infected members of the greatest generation that fought WW2 for our freedom to be sent back to nursing homes to infect others that also are from our greatest generation. We're lacking clear leadership right now. This is so political that scientific analysis is being used as political fodder. We have the numbers now. It's not some new and novel virus anymore. Let the the young and healthy eat; and let them provide for the old and weak.
We live in a free country. You can think anything you want. I guarantee you you’re one of those guys wearing a mask inside of their own vehicle.
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so lets grade all levels of civic duties-
1- origination china. china worked with who which delayed response by up to 6 weeks. grade F
2- WHO- worked with china to cover up reality. again, costed us 6 weeks. grade F
3-CDC- seemed lost in the wind for first month or so. didnt seem to have a good handle on situation. grade C
4- executive branch- started off slow due to information coming in corrupted along with political pressure from the left put behind 8 ball. made halftime changes and finishing strong. grade B
5-house of rep- attacked trump as a racist and bigot when he was saying he was gonna close the border to china. cost us another week. held up original aid that was past needed. grade f
6- senate- grade c. only because mitch outmanuevered nancy.
7-state govts- depends on state
8- county govt-
9- local govt-
1- origination china. china worked with who which delayed response by up to 6 weeks. grade F
2- WHO- worked with china to cover up reality. again, costed us 6 weeks. grade F
3-CDC- seemed lost in the wind for first month or so. didnt seem to have a good handle on situation. grade C
4- executive branch- started off slow due to information coming in corrupted along with political pressure from the left put behind 8 ball. made halftime changes and finishing strong. grade B
5-house of rep- attacked trump as a racist and bigot when he was saying he was gonna close the border to china. cost us another week. held up original aid that was past needed. grade f
6- senate- grade c. only because mitch outmanuevered nancy.
7-state govts- depends on state
8- county govt-
9- local govt-
I have family, friends and a lot of clients in GA (clients who can only pay me when they are open). If you review my post history, you'll see that I was never against reopening (although I did and still do argue that it needs to be done responsibly). The view that I am against reopening is just attributed to me because I am a "lib" ( I am in fact a registered independent).
I 100% believe that people should be wearing masks in public places. My sister in GA tells me that when she goes out, all the young healthy people are wearing masks, while old fat people are not. Strange. It will be interesting to see if GA has a significant spike this weekend, given all of the memorial day festivities last weekend.
Admittedly I may have the math wrong, I never had a chance of getting one of those checks so I didnt may any attention to it. My point still stands though. I dont appreciate being called a socialist by someone who received government assistance checks when I did not.
