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[ClemsonCO14]

I think that the current administration downplaying COVID and playing defense on it instead of running into the fire and fighting hard - which is really what Trump's strength is, he's a fighter - is going to go down as one of the greatest political miscalculations of all time.

Trump should have thrown the kitchen sink at it, looked strong. He could have shown great leadership. They got it a thousand percent completely wrong and lost the election on pissed off suburban voters tired of kids being at home and old folks who thought the president didn't fight for them on it.

They had the election won and they blew it.

I love reading these kind of posts on any forum. Trump is a fighter? The man that used educational then physical deferments to avoid military service is a fighter? The man who has sued his lenders for his bankruptcies (Atlantic City casinos, CRE, golf courses, etc) is a fighter?

You, sir, are simply dumb. Present any evidence that Trump is a fighter, and I’ll gladly Venmo you 2x your salary tomorrow.

 

[purple2]

no more than twice anyways

he said "died", not "voted"

 

[acwill07]

That would be good, but it also isn’t close to enough to open everything back up.

LOL wut? Everything should be open and most everything is it seems to me.

 

[FallsChurchTiger]

I love reading these kind of posts on any forum. Trump is a fighter? The man that used educational then physical deferments to avoid military service is a fighter? The man who has sued his lenders for his bankruptcies (Atlantic City casinos, CRE, golf courses, etc) is a fighter?

You, sir, are simply dumb. Present any evidence that Trump is a fighter, and I’ll gladly Venmo you 2x your salary tomorrow.

Whatever. I won't insult you since you perceive you are so much smarter and apparently wealthier than me.

Trump's strength as a political figure is the perception that he fights for his base. This is pretty effectively undisputed. Just ask any of them. His political positioning is that stands up to the elites on behalf of a swath of Americans who believe they have been left behind economically and culturally in today's society. I mean, I could post several pages of articles where his base says that, books have been written about it, but whatever.

I mean I get it that you don't buy it. That's fine. I don't buy it either. But its unassailably how he is perceived by his base and is his strength as a populist politician. You simply lack the objectivity to have the conversation.

 

[ClemsonGentleman]

No company got money from OWS to develop a vaccine. You had to have a vaccine ready for phase 1 trials to even qualify. OWS sped up the govt review by allowing concurrent data submissions and review and it paid for the manufacture of the doses while the vaccine was going through clinical trials taking the risk off the company if it failed during testing.

Then it got money from the feds for development of a usable vaccine.

 

[tigerrb]

I love reading these kind of posts on any forum. Trump is a fighter? The man that used educational then physical deferments to avoid military service is a fighter? The man who has sued his lenders for his bankruptcies (Atlantic City casinos, CRE, golf courses, etc) is a fighter?

You, sir, are simply dumb. Present any evidence that Trump is a fighter, and I’ll gladly Venmo you 2x your salary tomorrow.

Ill do it for him, and simply...your weak argument is easy to refute...and would love to see you pay 2 x my salary

He fought against the traditional political bullshit that has sapped our country for years, he fought against basically every primary media outlet that exists today, he fought against a politically and falsely derived impeachment effort levied by the Clinton’s, he fought against the most powerful/wealthiest families that are politically entrenched in the fabric of American society today throughout his presidency.

He fought against those countries that have pillaged America jobs and wages for years, he fought against those powers in the Middle East that your (admitted assumption here) previous saviors allowed to thrive and take American life after American life and he shut them down, he spoke for those Americans that didn’t have a voice and are stuck labeled as “rednecks”, “whitetrash”, and similar stereotypical classifications of other races that I am not allowed to utilize because of my race.

He fought against constant personal attacks on his person and his family to the degree no former president has ever had to endure. But yet through all that, he stayed the course and delivered on most all of his campaign promises... He didn’t do it with grace, and he didn’t do it in a manner that was becoming to a lot of America and certainly not with a methodology of past presidents, but change ain’t easy and sometimes has to be forced into action instead of eased. But he did fight for what he believed would make America better...He took a different path in an effort to better America in his eyes...agree with it or don’t, but that is the definition of a fighter...whether right or wrong.

Tell me that isn’t a fighter...if not, I’ll send you my last W-2 and K-1 and await ur payment


Ohhh... and while I’m at it, I love hearing uneducated (in the realm of business tax law) individuals discuss Trumps tax burden as if they have a damn clue...what tax breaks do you think the City of Garner, NC gave to get an Amazon warehouse in their jurisdiction? Other examples? Why aren’t we yelling at them???...cause it’s smart business...I mean, Give me a break...now compare that to a Trump casino...they basically forgive tax dollars for these guys to build their massive buildings, which create thousands of jobs...then Trump ends up getting blamed for not paying taxes because he took advantage of the legal rules, like any smart business man...also, uneducated ones...so you know how much money it cost to build a 50-story building in Chicago...yeah...that’s all a write off...good lawd use your damn common sense...I assume you all are aware of projected quarterly tax payments as well...or you can just follow the media’s lead, that is easier I guess

 

[jeffcoat]

They could have still voted even dead.

Many of them did

 

[FallsChurchTiger]

Ill do it for him, and simply...your weak argument is easy to refute...and would love to see you pay 2 x my salary

He fought against the traditional political bullshit that has sapped our country for years, he fought against basically every primary media outlet that exists today, he fought against a politically and falsely derived impeachment effort levied by the Clinton’s, he fought against the most powerful/wealthiest families that are politically entrenched in the fabric of American society today throughout his presidency, he fought against those countries that have pillaged America jobs and wages for years, he fought against those powers in the Middle East that your (admitted assumption here) previous saviors allowed to thrive and take American life after American life and he shut them down, he spoke for those Americans that didn’t have a voice and are stuck labeled as “rednecks”, “whitetrash”, and similar stereotypical classifications of other races that I am not allowed to utilize because of my race, he fought against constant personal attacks on his person and his family to the degree no former president has ever had to endure. But yet through all that, he stayed the course and delivered on most all of his campaign promises... He didn’t do it with grace, and he didn’t do it in a manner that was becoming to a lot of America and certainly not with a methodology of past presidents, but change ain’t easy and sometimes has to be forced into action instead of eased. But he did fight for what he believed would make America better...He took a different path in an effort to better America in his eyes...agree with it or don’t, but that is the definition of a fighter...whether right or wrong.

Tell me that isn’t a fighter...if not, I’ll send you my last W-2 and K-1 and await ur payment


Ohhh... and while I’m at it, I love hearing uneducated (in the realm of business tax law) individuals discuss Trumps tax burden as if they have a damn clue...what tax breaks do you think the City of Garner, NC gave to get an Amazon warehouse in their jurisdiction? Other examples? Why aren’t we yelling at them???...cause it’s smart business...I mean, Give me a break...now compare that to a Trump casino...they basically forgive tax dollars for these guys to build their massive buildings, which create thousands of jobs...then Trump ends up getting blamed for not paying taxes because he took advantage of the legal rules, like any smart business man...also, uneducated ones...so you know how much money it cost to build a 50-story building in Chicago...yeah...that’s all a write off...good lawd use your damn common sense...I assume you all are aware of projected quarterly tax payments as well...or you can just follow the media’s lead, that is easier I guess

The defense rests.

 

[nytigerfan]

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Huge win for Biden. Thank you Uncle Joe!

 

[ArmyTiger27]

They think 20-40M doses will be available. So that is enough to inoculate approx. 10-20M people.

Basically, this should be enough to cover frontline hospital workers, nursing homes and large swaths of the first responder community.

General population is not likely to see the vaccine until March at earliest, most likely estimates I have seen are April-June. Keep in mind the Pfizer vax is a bitch to distro bc the cold chain storage is hard - requires -94F cold storage until shortly before administration. Get the temp wrong you have to throw it out. Somewhere between 10-25% of traditional vaccines are trashed annually due to cold chain snafus.

Vax goes into vials, then trays, then boxed and dry iced. GPS shipped/tracked via fedex and UPS. When it gets there, has to be kept in cold storage in limited kinds of ways and in certain types freezers so can only go certain places that can properly handle it. And fact is, there are not that many sub 80 freezers out there outside of labs. Problem. Not to mention no one has yet been trained to give it (intramuscular so shouldn't be too hard) and trained to store it.

This is complicated stuff, and people should not expect that there is a chance you will get a shot until March at earliest. If the Moderna vax pops, that will help as it is also cold chain but not nearly as cold as Pfizer vax, easier to manage.

Don't mean to be Debbie Downer just don't want people to get the wrong idea that the Amazon smile truck is coming to your door at Christmas with an inhalable vaccine you can self administer. What we have is good, but supply chain and admin is complicated as hell.

what’s the name of a company that distributes sub 80 freezers?

asking for a stock friend.

 

[rtiger]

Phizer was not part of Warp Speed. They did it themselves

Not true. They have specifically been outed as not being entirely honest by documents produced earlier by their own PR people referencing warp speed.

 

[BigTimeTiger]

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Not gonna get it

 

[BigTimeTiger]

I’m in for all the my body my choice people

FYI an unborn baby is not a mothers body. The baby is inside the mothers body. Not gonna get it!

 

[BigTimeTiger]

The US is supposed to get 20M doses per month starting in December and a total of 100 doses.

US Plans To Distribute Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine In December

If Pfizer Inc submits the positive initial data from its COVID-19 vaccine trial to health regulators as quickly as expected, the U.S. government plans to begin vaccinating Americans in December, Health Secretary Alex Azar said on Tuesday.

www.ndtv.com

Convenient That all this information was held till after the election.

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

Ill do it for him, and simply...your weak argument is easy to refute...and would love to see you pay 2 x my salary

He fought against the traditional political bullshit that has sapped our country for years, he fought against basically every primary media outlet that exists today, he fought against a politically and falsely derived impeachment effort levied by the Clinton’s, he fought against the most powerful/wealthiest families that are politically entrenched in the fabric of American society today throughout his presidency.

He fought against those countries that have pillaged America jobs and wages for years, he fought against those powers in the Middle East that your (admitted assumption here) previous saviors allowed to thrive and take American life after American life and he shut them down, he spoke for those Americans that didn’t have a voice and are stuck labeled as “rednecks”, “whitetrash”, and similar stereotypical classifications of other races that I am not allowed to utilize because of my race.

He fought against constant personal attacks on his person and his family to the degree no former president has ever had to endure. But yet through all that, he stayed the course and delivered on most all of his campaign promises... He didn’t do it with grace, and he didn’t do it in a manner that was becoming to a lot of America and certainly not with a methodology of past presidents, but change ain’t easy and sometimes has to be forced into action instead of eased. But he did fight for what he believed would make America better...He took a different path in an effort to better America in his eyes...agree with it or don’t, but that is the definition of a fighter...whether right or wrong.

Tell me that isn’t a fighter...if not, I’ll send you my last W-2 and K-1 and await ur payment


Ohhh... and while I’m at it, I love hearing uneducated (in the realm of business tax law) individuals discuss Trumps tax burden as if they have a damn clue...what tax breaks do you think the City of Garner, NC gave to get an Amazon warehouse in their jurisdiction? Other examples? Why aren’t we yelling at them???...cause it’s smart business...I mean, Give me a break...now compare that to a Trump casino...they basically forgive tax dollars for these guys to build their massive buildings, which create thousands of jobs...then Trump ends up getting blamed for not paying taxes because he took advantage of the legal rules, like any smart business man...also, uneducated ones...so you know how much money it cost to build a 50-story building in Chicago...yeah...that’s all a write off...good lawd use your damn common sense...I assume you all are aware of projected quarterly tax payments as well...or you can just follow the media’s lead, that is easier I guess

Seriously, if you are going to take a man behind the woodshed, at least tell him. Rofl. My goodness gracious.

 

[dickerj]

ITT I learned that if Biden thanks Trump for the Pfizer vaccine then the world will be a better place and we can all be friends again.

I'll take it.

 

[okie_tiger]

Idk what Pfizer has said, but it’s impossible to develop a product for vaccinating Americans without drastic coordination with the US government. For Pfizer to say anything else would be the height of hypocrisy.

The vaccine was developed by a smaller German company. They got Pfizer involved afterwards since they didn't have the capability to conduct the fast paced trials. trump wasn't involved in any way with the vaccine development.

 

[okie_tiger]

Whatever. I won't insult you since you perceive you are so much smarter and apparently wealthier than me.

Trump's strength as a political figure is the perception that he fights for his base. This is pretty effectively undisputed. Just ask any of them. His political positioning is that stands up to the elites on behalf of a swath of Americans who believe they have been left behind economically and culturally in today's society. I mean, I could post several pages of articles where his base says that, books have been written about it, but whatever.

I mean I get it that you don't buy it. That's fine. I don't buy it either. But its unassailably how he is perceived by his base and is his strength as a populist politician. You simply lack the objectivity to have the conversation.

Why do so many people reference the "elites", when all that means to them is "college graduates".

 

[tigerGUY]

They could have still voted even dead.

And did.

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

I agree absolutely....except when the news comes from someone is inaccurately giving credit where it isn’t due, specifically for political gain.

That political gain has lost.

 

[FallsChurchTiger]

Why do so many people reference the "elites", when all that means to them is "college graduates".

In this context I mean it more generally as the governing elites. People in DC and NY and CA who control political power and capital.

 

[clemben]

Pfizer completely developed the vaccine on their own (and as someone stated above they got it from a German company). Operation Warp Speed, the billions and billions of taxpayer dollars down the sinkhole of bogus companies and investments that lined the elite (SWAMP), isn't going to help with the distribution of the Pfizer vaccine. It is a disaster. Needs to be in sub zero temperatures and just isn't feasible.

It was a great PR move by Pfizer to boost their stock.

Moderna is what will save the economy and society. Thank the good folks and public employees at NIH who repubs (and many dems) have tried to screw out of funding and salary increases for decades. Should be approved by the first week in Dec. and that will have easy, mass distribution. And I know no one on here wants to hear it but Fauci is largely the hero here (unfortunately the radical right of the banana republican party will go anti-vaxxer on it and turn Moderno into a QAnon conspiracy...smh...).

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

That political gain has lost.

Pretty sure there’s a large part of this country that still disagrees with that statement (unfortunately) and probably will continue to do for at least 4 years.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I think that the current administration downplaying COVID and playing defense on it instead of running into the fire and fighting hard - which is really what Trump's strength is, he's a fighter - is going to go down as one of the greatest political miscalculations of all time.

Trump should have thrown the kitchen sink at it, looked strong. He could have shown great leadership. They got it a thousand percent completely wrong and lost the election on pissed off suburban voters tired of kids being at home and old folks who thought the president didn't fight for them on it.

They had the election won and they blew it.

They did, although I think it was largely an attitudinal and messaging failure. Sort of par for the Trump course.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Pfizer completely developed the vaccine on their own (and as someone stated above they got it from a German company). Operation Warp Speed, the billions and billions of taxpayer dollars down the sinkhole of bogus companies and investments that lined the elite (SWAMP), isn't going to help with the distribution of the Pfizer vaccine. It is a disaster. Needs to be in sub zero temperatures and just isn't feasible.

It was a great PR move by Pfizer to boost their stock.

Moderna is what will save the economy and society. Thank the good folks and public employees at NIH who repubs (and many dems) have tried to screw out of funding and salary increases for decades. Should be approved by the first week in Dec. and that will have easy, mass distribution. And I know no one on here wants to hear it but Fauci is largely the hero here (unfortunately the radical right of the banana republican party will go anti-vaxxer on it and turn Moderno into a QAnon conspiracy...smh...).

This is partisan BS.

 

[Woody1405]

Biden won 306 electoral votes which Trump defined as landslide 4 years ago. More importantly this was the most lopsided victory over a seated president since FDR beat Hoover in 1932. This makes Trump the biggest White House LOSER in 88 years. And that will be the fitting opening line of his obituary when he dies.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I love reading these kind of posts on any forum. Trump is a fighter? The man that used educational then physical deferments to avoid military service is a fighter? The man who has sued his lenders for his bankruptcies (Atlantic City casinos, CRE, golf courses, etc) is a fighter?

You, sir, are simply dumb. Present any evidence that Trump is a fighter, and I’ll gladly Venmo you 2x your salary tomorrow.

This is willfully misconstruing the post you were responding to. Whether you think Trump’s “fighting” is just juvenile and petty, or whether you think he’s doing something substantial by insulting the right people, the perception of him is that he doesn’t just lie down and take it. Plus, the poster you were responding to wasn’t even judging that as good or bad. If you can’t even acknowledge this very common perception of Trump, then you might was to take a few steps back from politics for a while.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

LOL wut? Everything should be open and most everything is it seems to me.

Stadiums are open at full capacity? Are restaurants and bars everywhere open at full capacity with normal hours? Concerts are happening? Everybody’s offices are open? Not even sure why you’d argue with this. You think everything is back to normal now?

 

[krfuquamd]

I guess if TI is any indication then like everything else connected to Covid-19 all discussions become clouded by politics, even news of a possible vaccine availability. SMH.

 

[tiger989]

There is going to be a lot of pressure to get the vaccine rolling (specially in Europe and here) next month.

There are about 45 millions retirees in USA and lets assume 2 millions are living in overseas eg Canada, Mexico etc.... We need 43 million doses in Dec/Jan so that we don't fill up hospitals as most deaths are 60+

 

[clemben]

This is partisan BS.

How?

OWS hasn't helped the Pfizer distribution problems that are a logistical nightmare and has been full of wasteful spending overall. Tons of wasted money with zero accountability. Does that make me too conservative for you?

Moderna is going to be the gamechanger.

 

[ForzaTigre]

Stadiums are open at full capacity? Are restaurants and bars everywhere open at full capacity with normal hours? Concerts are happening? Everybody’s offices are open? Not even sure why you’d argue with this. You think everything is back to normal now?

You obviously don’t live in SC or a state not run by morons. Greenville has been almost fully open for quite a while other than concerts.

My guess is you live in liberal shithole Chicago, run by dumbass Lori Lightfoot.

 

[PawsFan_]

Good stuff but....20 million in a country of 350 million. Drop in the bucket.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

You obviously don’t live in SC or a state not run by morons. Greenville has been almost fully open for quite a while other than concerts.

My guess is you live in liberal shithole Chicago, run by dumbass Lori Lightfoot.

So it’s not fully open? My guess is you probably don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

How?

OWS hasn't helped the Pfizer distribution problems that are a logistical nightmare and has been full of wasteful spending overall. Tons of wasted money with zero accountability. Does that make me too conservative for you?

Moderna is going to be the gamechanger.

OWS has been a huge success, and the fact that you’re touting Moderna while trashing OWS doesn’t make me think you’re being very objective here.

 

[Flying Elvis]

no more than twice anyways

But only after voting Democrat

 

[ForzaTigre]

So it’s not fully open? My guess is you probably don’t know what you’re talking about.

Yes, it’s open. My guess is that I live in the state of SC and know exactly what I’m talking about.

You won’t find one person that would tell you that SC really ever shut down. And if Biden tries to impose a mandate or shut down, SC won’t have it.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Yes, it’s open. My guess is that I live in the state of SC and know exactly what I’m talking about.

You won’t find one person that would tell you that SC really ever shut down. And if Biden tries to impose a mandate or shut down, SC won’t have it.

So there aren’t any restrictions? Everything is normal?

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

The vaccine was developed by a smaller German company. They got Pfizer involved afterwards since they didn't have the capability to conduct the fast paced trials. trump wasn't involved in any way with the vaccine development.

Lol. Hope not. He’s a great leader not a scientist. His job is the get the fat anus government out of the way. That’s what he did

 

[RJdent]

Great work Trump. When it happens, Biden needs to thank Trump!!!

Why should Trump get credit???