Grocery cost question

[hopefultiger13]

BTW- @hopefultiger13, so not to start a completely new thread. Ever tried the Delta 9 Space Cruise chews?

I have not. You've got to remember that it's totally illegal here in Idaho. So I'm a minimalist (which could also be an old guy's way of excusing himself from keeping up with the times)... I'll buy < 1 oz at a time (usually 1/4 to 1/2) and a pack of wraps. I toss the container and use a cheap sandwich bag... not even zip lock. That's it. No pipes, bongs, grinders, edibles... nothing. That way, a quick flush and I'm 100% legal.

That being said, I've tried edibles from friends quite a few times, but honestly, I don't really notice the brand. But I'm interested. Give me the low down!

 

[moradatiger70]

I have not. You've got to remember that it's totally illegal here in Idaho. So I'm a minimalist (which could also be an old guy's way of excusing himself from keeping up with the times)... I'll buy < 1 oz at a time (usually 1/4 to 1/2) and a pack of wraps. I toss the container and use a cheap sandwich bag... not even zip lock. That's it. No pipes, bongs, grinders, edibles... nothing. That way, a quick flush and I'm 100% legal.

That being said, I've tried edibles from friends quite a few times, but honestly, I don't really notice the brand. But I'm interested. Give me the low down!

I'll report back. I've tried D8's from the company that used to advertise here. Not bad. Waiting on delivery.

 

[fatpiggy]

nm

He claims to be the founder of TSLA. Thats a lie

You don't care that a man you claim has good motives and is the richest in the world, whom you are ready to sign over power of our governmetn to, with its access to our tax dollars, you don't care that he's a ****ing liar? Oh ok

Need a welfare check on @firegiver if this goes through 😂😂😂

No chance. They must be trolling you fire.

 

[fatpiggy]

I think china has already denied this. Im posting anyway to get firegivers era panties in a wad.

 

[fatpiggy]

smh go back read again. He's promising nonesense to you, you are falling for it as it relates to the government and what he's going to do.

He didn't invent tsla, he didnt' invent spaceX. He lies about being a world class video gamer. He's just a salesman. He's good at it, and he got you pretty good.

Now he is just trolling you directly. He may as well have written "Hey @firegiver, ligma johnson"

 

[firegiver]

Now he is just trolling you directly. He may as well have written "Hey @firegiver, ligma johnson"

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Hilarious, love our new oligarch's sense of humor. Man its so great he gets my tax money.

how is he going to lower our grocery prices? Trickle down tax cuts? Where they get all the tax cuts, we get ours raised and they will decide who to give money to based on who glorifies them the most?

Is anyone going to address the grocery price question that started this thread?

 

[fatpiggy]

Hilarious, love our new oligarch's sense of humor. Man its so great he gets my tax money.

how is he going to lower our grocery prices? Trickle down tax cuts? Where they get all the tax cuts, we get ours raised and they will decide who to give money to based on who glorifies them the most?

Is anyone going to address the grocery price question that started this thread?

I actually did research to answer your question but you won't read it!

Tariffs are going to pay for a lot of it. Spending cuts. Economic growth

See the Tariff & economic consequences thread. Have you heard about the External Revenue Service?

 

[firegiver]

I actually did research to answer your question but you won't read it!

Tariffs are going to pay for a lot of it. Spending cuts.

See the Tariff & economic consequences thread

How is a Tarriff, which raises the prices of items coming into the country, going to lower grocery prices. How?

 

[dpic73]

I actually did research to answer your question but you won't read it!

Tariffs are going to pay for a lot of it. Spending cuts. Economic growth

See the Tariff & economic consequences thread. Have you heard about the External Revenue Service?

“It’s sort of nonsensical to say that I am worried about high food prices, so I want to put a tax on food imports,” said Clausing, who is also a UCLA economist specializing in tax policy. “As you tax them, the food in the grocery store absolutely gets more expensive.”

A huge proportion of food consumed in the United States — about 60% of fresh fruit and 38% of vegetables — are imported, according to Department of Agriculture data. Less than 1% of the bananas Americans eat are grown domestically. The vast majority are imported. The United States grows less than 1% of the coffee it consumes. It imports more than 70% of its seafood.

“Trump is using tariffs as a political device to signal his strong skepticism around globalization broadly — ‘America First,’ ” said Zandi of Moody’s Analytics. “That this policy stance is inflationary is very difficult for most voters to grasp, especially when they are being told the opposite.’'

Trump's economic plans would worsen inflation, experts say

Donald Trump has vowed that if voters return him to the White House, “inflation will vanish completely.”

apnews.com

 

[firegiver]

I actually did research to answer your question but you won't read it!

Tariffs are going to pay for a lot of it. Spending cuts. Economic growth

See the Tariff & economic consequences thread. Have you heard about the External Revenue Service?

I replied to your Tarriff thread, you misunderstood the point of that persons paper. THe whole point was to lower the value of the dollar to attack the trade deficit.
Lowering the value of hte dollar is literally inflation. I don't think we need more of that do you?

 

[fatpiggy]

How is a Tarriff, which raises the prices of items coming into the country, going to lower grocery prices. How?

Well, we know you did not read the paper.

But, the tariff, does not have to raise the price of goods coming into the country. Read the paper, or better yet, I had AI summarize the paper for you and i posted it in that thread. Read it and get back to us.

 

[fatpiggy]

“It’s sort of nonsensical to say that I am worried about high food prices, so I want to put a tax on food imports,” said Clausing, who is also a UCLA economist specializing in tax policy. “As you tax them, the food in the grocery store absolutely gets more expensive.”

A huge proportion of food consumed in the United States — about 60% of fresh fruit and 38% of vegetables — are imported, according to Department of Agriculture data. Less than 1% of the bananas Americans eat are grown domestically. The vast majority are imported. The United States grows less than 1% of the coffee it consumes. It imports more than 70% of its seafood.

“Trump is using tariffs as a political device to signal his strong skepticism around globalization broadly — ‘America First,’ ” said Zandi of Moody’s Analytics. “That this policy stance is inflationary is very difficult for most voters to grasp, especially when they are being told the opposite.’'

Trump's economic plans would worsen inflation, experts say

Donald Trump has vowed that if voters return him to the White House, “inflation will vanish completely.”

apnews.com

Did you read the paper from the incoming, phd harvard trained, economist?

Again with your "experts say".

Im not giving you an anonymous kook and quoting them as an expert. This is somone withe credibility, who will be making the policy. So, this is the source we are discussing, because whether we like it or not he will be the one making policy. Let's debate his ideas.

 

[fatpiggy]

I replied to your Tarriff thread, you misunderstood the point of that persons paper. THe whole point was to lower the value of the dollar to attack the trade deficit.
Lowering the value of hte dollar is literally inflation. I don't think we need more of that do you?

The whole point of the paper is that you can implement tariffs without causing inflation or raising prices. Additionally, you can implement tariffs in a way that it is not zero-sum and the wealth of the tariffed nation decreases.

He admits it is a "narrow path", meaning that it's not guaranteed to work and there are several things that must be done in concert to make it work.

I read the paper and one of the things that he says that needs to be done to make it work is to gradually implement the tariffs instead of all at once. And guess what was reported by the likes of CNBC et al yesterday? "Trump to slowly implement tariffs 3-5% per month."

So, my guess is they are going to try and walk that narrow path.

 

[dpic73]

Did you read the paper from the incoming, phd harvard trained, economist?

Again with your "experts say".

Im not giving you an anonymous kook and quoting them as an expert. This is somone withe credibility, who will be making the policy. So, this is the source we are discussing, because whether we like it or not he will be the one making policy. Let's debate his ideas.

Anonymous kook is a UCLA economist specializing in tax policy. Let's not get sidetracked by a murky, long-term tariff policy, Trump said grocery prices would be coming down quickly.

How?

 

[fatpiggy]

Anonymous kook is a UCLA economist specializing in tax policy. Let's not get sidetracked by a murky, long-term tariff policy, Trump said grocery prices would be coming down quickly.

How?

Read the paper. It's probably too far over your head to be honest.

It's all placed out there for you to read. It's up for you to read and interpret how it will affect the markets and economy.

It's the incoming economic advisor. I'd listen to him before some random UCLA economist. One will have much more influence than the other.

 

[dpic73]

Read the paper. It's probably too far over your head to be honest.

LULZ, short-hand version is TRUMP LIED

Just say it

 

[fatpiggy]

LULZ, short-hand version is TRUMP LIED

Just say it

It's over your head. He lays it out right there in the paper for you.

 

[dpic73]

It's over your head. He lays it out right there in the paper for you.

I don't have time right now because I have a job. I just pop in and out for quick hits....but I assure you I will understand it,

 

[fatpiggy]

I don't have time right now because I have a job. I just pop in and out for quick hits....but I assure you I will understand it,

OK, then take the time to read it when you can and then we can discuss about it. But it just seems like you are trolling when i can tell you haven't read the paper.

 

[fatpiggy]

I don't have time right now because I have a job. I just pop in and out for quick hits....but I assure you I will understand it,

I think it's an interesting paper because the general consensus has been that tariffs are a zero-sum game. However, he has a theory that it is not and lays out exactly how he would implement his theory. It would make for an interesting discussion.

 

[moradatiger70]

I read the paper, which is way over my head, honestly but the key takeaway from the summarizations is that U.S. economy bears the burden of providing global liquidity, which can strain its manufacturing sector and overall economic health.

More on the Triffin dilemma highlights the inherent tension between national economic policies and global financial stability when a single currency serves as the world's primary reserve asset. It underscores the challenges faced by the U.S. in balancing domestic economic health with its role in the global financial system.

I assume this is the reason for tariffs?

 

[firegiver]

I read the paper, which is way over my head, honestly but the key takeaway from the summarizations is that U.S. economy bears the burden of providing global liquidity, which can strain its manufacturing sector and overall economic health.

More on the Triffin dilemma highlights the inherent tension between national economic policies and global financial stability when a single currency serves as the world's primary reserve asset. It underscores the challenges faced by the U.S. in balancing domestic economic health with its role in the global financial system.

I assume this is the reason for tariffs?

The TLDR version is: If we raise tarriffs, then the costs saved by exploiting people with slave wages in foreign countries won't be as high. Thus the trade deficit will be COULD be lowered with that economic change to the model.

None of his paper addresses anything this ding bat ole fastball posted. It doesn't address working wages or the prices of consumer goods. Its literally about world trade defecits. He addresses inflation concerns by hamming it up that if we do it juuuust right, yah sure buddy.

So again @fatpiggy, how are we going to lower grocery prices. I at least appreciate the one guy's honesty in this thread where he stated: IDGAF about it. Because he knows, it aint happening.

 

[fatpiggy]

The TLDR version is: If we raise tarriffs, then the costs saved by exploiting people with slave wages in foreign countries won't be as high. Thus the trade deficit will be COULD be lowered with that economic change to the model.

None of his paper addresses anything this ding bat ole fastball posted. It doesn't address working wages or the prices of consumer goods. Its literally about world trade defecits. He addresses inflation concerns by hamming it up that if we do it juuuust right, yah sure buddy.

So again @fatpiggy, how are we going to lower grocery prices. I at least appreciate the one guy's honesty in this thread where he stated: IDGAF about it. Because he knows, it aint happening.

Ok. I’m done with you. You aren’t making honest arguments.

 

[firegiver]

Ok. I’m done with you. You aren’t making honest arguments.

yes i am. I honestly believe what I wrote because I read the bs 'essay'. YOu don't even understand the document you shared, and you have no clue how tarrifs would lower grocery prices, because they wont.
Just admit: There is no plan.

 

[fatpiggy]

yes i am. I honestly believe what I wrote because I read the bs 'essay'. YOu don't even understand the document you shared, and you have no clue how tarrifs would lower grocery prices, because they wont.
Just admit: There is no plan.

You sir are full of shit.

I showed you the plan, you just don't like the plan or you don't understand simple economics. I think you are being willfully ignorant or trolling. 4/10. Good work.

 

[firegiver]

You sir are full of shit.

I showed you the plan, you just don't like the plan or you don't understand simple economics. I think you are being willfully ignorant or trolling. 4/10. Good work.

You are too stupid to discuss issues with. Please leave this thread. I will leave it open to others to discuss an actual plan to lower grocery prices.


Just throwing this out there:
Put back the regulations to stop companies from buying back there own stock. By doing so the companies will no longer be able to artificially inflate their stock prices and will be forced to spend that money in actual investments within or pay taxes on it. This will generate revenue for innovation as well as salaries for their employees which will ease the 21.2% inflation shock we have had since 2020.

See how a plan works @fatpiggy ? There's a clear line of action causation and outcome. NOt your stupid dribble about instigating tarrifs will magically fix the problem. Are you in charge of cleaning dishes somewhere? Can't imagine you plan with large teams on outcomes.

 

[dpic73]

 

[DW4_2016]

You sir are full of shit.

I showed you the plan, you just don't like the plan or you don't understand simple economics. I think you are being willfully ignorant or trolling. 4/10. Good work.

Showed him the plan by telling him to read the thing you admit you don’t understand? How did trump hoodwink all you brainiacs?

 

[fatpiggy]

Showed him the plan by telling him to read the thing you admit you don’t understand? How did trump hoodwink all you brainiacs?

Hoodwinked?

Lol - your president was literally brain dead and you were still supporting him. And then, you fell for the worst candidate in US political history, and were forced to support her. And you did. Don't talk to us about hoodwinked.

 

[dpic73]

Hoodwinked?

Lol - your president was literally brain dead and you were still supporting him. And then, you fell for the worst candidate in US political history, and were forced to support her. And you did. Don't talk to us about hoodwinked.

Have you never even listened to who and what he supports? It's not like he hasn't told you a thousand times already.

 

[WapPride]

lol at Jamie Dimon telling people to get over inflation rising due to Trump's policies. Didn't take long for them to backtrack on all the bullshit they promised.

 

[DW4_2016]

Hoodwinked?

Lol - your president was literally brain dead and you were still supporting him. And then, you fell for the worst candidate in US political history, and were forced to support her. And you did. Don't talk to us about hoodwinked.

I voted for neither of them. Biden, like trump, was regrettably my president. They’re owning you if you think the goal is to beat the other party.

 

[fatpiggy]

I voted for neither of them. Biden, like trump, was regrettably my president. They’re owning you if you think the goal is to beat the other party.

So you don't think the people that were arresting their political opponents were trying to beat the other party? Calling their opponent Hitler wasn't trying to beat the other party? Spare me.

 

[fatpiggy]

lol at Jamie Dimon telling people to get over inflation rising due to Trump's policies. Didn't take long for them to backtrack on all the bullshit they promised.

Nobody has backtracked on anything.

We will keep it under Joes 5% inflation rate despite the highly mediocre economy yall left behind.

 

[dpic73]

Nobody has backtracked on anything.

We will keep it under Joes 5% inflation rate despite the highly mediocre economy yall left behind.

LOL, so the goalposts have moved from lowering prices to keeping inflation under 5%, where it's been for a couple years now?

 

[firegiver]

lol at Jamie Dimon telling people to get over inflation rising due to Trump's policies. Didn't take long for them to backtrack on all the bullshit they promised.

2. Issues and the 2024 election

Most voters name several issues as very important to their vote. Economy is the top issue. Other important issues: health care, Supreme Court, foreign policy, crime, immigration, guns, abortion.

www.pewresearch.org

The TOP issue for voters was the economy. And when we drill into that the top issue with republicans was the economy and inflation. The salary band of white americans earning 30k - 60k ENORMOUSLY went to donald trump.

As good Americans we should ensure he is serving his constituents don't you think?
This thread will never die. It serves as a reminder to us all, that the reason DJT was put in office was to ease the financial burdern of the very very lower middle class. I don't really think you can call someone earning 30k middle class anymore.

Anyway, I went to the grocery store today, eggs are still really expensive. When are the tariffs and deportations going to start helping that?

 

[DW4_2016]

So you don't think the people that were arresting their political opponents were trying to beat the other party? Calling their opponent Hitler wasn't trying to beat the other party? Spare me.

The people I vote for never did that. That’s part of why I voted for them. Don’t want me to say mean things about the democrats? Fine, shame democrats. You meanie heads did poopie things and I don’t like it.
And, to be fair; shame republicans. You meanie heads did poopie things and I don’t like it.
Now you feel better?

 

[fatpiggy]

LOL, so the goalposts have moved from lowering prices to keeping inflation under 5%, where it's been for a couple years now?

Oh no, both will happen. Inflation will come down, and so will grocery prices.

CPI will be gauge for inflation and I’m sure you have noted that it was at about 3.5% for the last year and reached a high of 9% under Joe Biden

What is your preferred measuring stick for grocery prices? put them in this thread so we can come back and revisit it one year from now.

 

[dpic73]

Oh no, both will happen. Inflation will come down, and so will grocery prices.

CPI will be gauge for inflation and I’m sure you have noted that it was at about 3.5% for the last year and reached a high of 9% under Joe Biden

What is your preferred measuring stick for grocery prices? put them in this thread so we can come back and revisit it one year from now.

Down means down, not under a ROI we already have. If you want to keep a spreadsheet of prices in different food categories, knock yourself out but since we know you're not one to be completely trusted, if those numbers start to look shady, we expect you to have corroborating evidence...like a screen shot of price tags perhaps.

 

[firegiver]

Oh no, both will happen. Inflation will come down, and so will grocery prices.

CPI will be gauge for inflation and I’m sure you have noted that it was at about 3.5% for the last year and reached a high of 9% under Joe Biden

What is your preferred measuring stick for grocery prices? put them in this thread so we can come back and revisit it one year from now.

Why are you still in this thread. As OP I've told you to stay out.