And then this today from WYFF4 in Greenville
https://www.wyff4.com/article/green...ing-coronavirus-outbreak-nyt-reports/32017430
***Hope in San Francisco
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And then this today from WYFF4 in Greenville
https://www.wyff4.com/article/green...ing-coronavirus-outbreak-nyt-reports/32017430
Newsome does seem to have done a good job of controlling the chaos. They were likely hit first, but had time to see it blow up in Washington and had a ton of lessons learned. They are a different animal from the metros in the northeast. The San Fran area pretty much pioneered the tele-work concept and don't have nearly the multi-family residency as NYC, Chicago etc. Not to mention that the travel ban from Asia really helped the west coast.
I bet you those in California aren't complaining about the east coast media bias now.
When the history of all this is looked at I think you'll find that the places that come out the best will be the places where there was 1 central coordinator. NYC and the entire northeast had way too many cooks in the kitchen to make coordinated decisions and guidance.
These 2 are absolute bullshit without any context of normal. I haven't been anywhere but the grocery store in the last week, but the grocery store is 3 miles from my house. The whole borough of Manhattan is only 2 miles across. So a 2 mile radius from anywhere in Manhattan actually covers 70% of all of Manhattan. 40% of the Bronx and 25% of Brooklyn. A 2 mile radius 2% of Greenville county.
The Gville news article actually shows that G'ville residents (and most of SC) had already cut their normal travel by 20-25% without a shelter in place order.
If you're going to post cherry picked crap, at least make it a little challenging to refute.
This they have been horrid their test failing set this way back . Then the us needs to stop funding The WHO because they’ve been worse and are just a bloated bureaucracy.
The CDC was the primary culprit in fumbling and delaying the development of COVID-19 testing. Private companies later saved the day.... to some degree.
FDA had a role in this as well as delaying vaccine development and approval. It got better with firm White House intervention.
"Cherry picked crap"
Greenville county is still the highest in the country. I have been deemed essential but seeing parking lots full of cars, which most of them arent grocery stores mind you, then there is something to this.
What hurt nyc you had Cuomo and Deblasio fighting among themselves on what actions to take when the virus started ramping up in the city .
CA, really? I'm not sure how much differently they've done things as a state than other places. Either way, I hope what they've done works. I know testing in CA has lagged behind a lot of other places.
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San Fran was shutdown like 2 weeks before other cities. They actually listened to scientists and took it seriously before anyone else. This is from March 17th
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireS...co-area-screeches-halt-amid-shutdown-69635596
haha did you read the piece that LW posted that started this thread? There is plenty out there clearly showing that California, and SF especially, are way ahead of other places. What do you possibly have to call bullshit? Or, what places do you think have handled this better?
Other places were shut down that week as well. SF was the first by a few days, but SF also isn't all of California. SF also isn't the only place showing signs of curve-flattening.
Also, California has been behind other states in testing, and has had problems with reporting testing results (whether that's because of their own reporting, or because of slow turnaround times from labs).
All this to say that the actions SF took were mostly the right ones, but it wasn't just "California liberals" doing the right things for reasons you like.
I don't believe this is a competition. And I damn sure don't believe there is a cookie cutter answer to everyone's living environment. I've read umpteen success stories across the country. I expect to see this country win the war. And that each state contributes from their battles to help the whole.
Let's not give the WH all the credit here, because the guy in charge there seemed committed to the idea that this wasn't a big deal for a long time. I'm not sure how much that mattered, though, since the people who were actually accomplishing things seemed to take it all more seriously. That said, the people who could've intervened early on (the CDC and the FDA) screwed up, especially the CDC.
Maybe so, but "shelter in place" orders don't mean you can't go anywhere, despite what's suggested by the phrase. I'm guessing some of that travel is due to the fact that people in those states live further from the places they need to go (like the grocery), so they're going to be traveling more.
Also saw this shared, which seems equally meaningless. @deshaunwatson4 , notice that quite a few places did almost completely stop traveling around the same time as SF. And CA isn't the only place where people slowed down early on.
haha ok dude- read the damn story that started this thread. Amazing how hard it is to simply give credit where credit is due - and if you read my other comments, I don't support most of the California government's decisions. But it's pretty clear they are handling this well. It's ok to say job well done sometimes and not have to have a reason to argue it. Especially in times like this when we should all be on the same team
Also saw this shared, which seems equally meaningless. @deshaunwatson4 , notice that quite a few places did almost completely stop traveling around the same time as SF. And CA isn't the only place where people slowed down early on.
That's it for me
I agree with the story. I don't agree with your post, which was about how everybody likes to bash liberal Californians and their government, but they've handled this better than anybody else so far.
When Washington and California were working toward shutting everything down, Trump was making tweets like this... Fortunately Fauchi has helped him to see the light this week.
A few points to mention are that most of California was quite warm and sunny from March 1-12 with high temps over 70 (closer to 70 in San Jose but higher in LA/San Diego) and then most of CA saw a significant rains for 7-10 days with a rainy pattern that affected social distancing.
Feds 15 Days to Slow the Spread started March 16 and California Stayathome started March 19. It is a good chance, in my opinion, that this weather pattern might have mitigated effects in California (social distancing/washing) and then we went straight into the stayathome. Feels like we were in a longer mitigation due to the weather (rain).
Newsome might be lucky although the stayathome on March 19 was good. Certainly we are in a better situation than expected.
the story is about how well SF has done...
You're clearly bored during this whole thing and need something to argue about
If you didn't want to talk about the government of California and whether it's actually handled this better than everybody else, maybe you should've said something else.
Dr. Gauche is the media rock star. He seems pretty knowledgeable but my question is where has he been? He has been the head of the NIH for 38 years through Ebola, sars mers, swine flu, bird flu. Why hasn't he been more influential in preparing this country, along with the CDC, for this current pandemic?
In fact, he was influential in preparing us for the coronavirus, too. There was a rating of countries based on how prepared they were for a pandemic not long before this all started, and the US came out on top. Fauci also has consistently said that Trump listens to expertise, despite whatever he says to contrary. The problem is the virus just overwhelmed all our preparations, and the CDC and FDA failed to coordinate the roll-out of testing as planned. Sometimes bad outcomes can't be avoided, despite all the planning and expertise we have.
What's hard to do with Trump is figuring out when the idiotic things he says are important and when they aren't. There are still lots of competent people working behind the scenes in government even when Trump is tweeting out stupid stuff. Other times, what Trump says reflects a policy of his administration, or it directly affects things like markets, foreign policy, or electoral politics. I think there's more of the former going on with this than the latter. And you have to give Trump credit for shutting down or slowing international travel when there was still some resistance to that, even if maybe some of the motivation for that came from treating the problem as a foreign threat. He also finally put Pence in charge of the task force, which gave is more authority to act.
It's not the ideal kind of leadership, for sure, but I do think we should remember that Trump's not the only one in the Trump administration.
The buck stops with the leader. Accept responsibility. No excuses. He either needs to accept it or go back to watching TV and let someone else lead.
Of course it does, but if we're trying to understand what's actually going on in the government, we should get beyond Trump's twitter feed. As far as what's going on now: it's a virus. It hasn't been contained anywhere, and I'm not sure it really could've been. If anything, this should make us recognize how fragile life is and how limited our power to control nature is. And, of course, the proximal cause of all of this is Chinese malfeasance.
I was buying what you were selling up to the last sentence. No one is to blame for the virus, just the response and readiness. Looks like a relatively common virus family which mutate and jump species all the time. The Chinese screwed up the response first no doubt, but we are screwing it up worse- with a 6 week heads up.
I guess I just don't see us as doing anything especially wrong that led to the outbreak here. We had plans in place, and yes, some of the execution of those plans was delayed by the CDC/FDA screw-up. I'm just not sure what could've been done differently by US leaders. It's not like they lied and covered things up like the Chinese, who still seem more concerned with jockeying for international power and prestige than preventing the spread of the virus.
As far as the whole "6 week period" in which nothing was done, consider that even during that time, public health officials and experts still believed the risk of community spread was low. The Illinois Department of Public Health was still telling people the risk of spread was low in early March, and the cancellation of St. Paddy's parades and events went down to the wire in places like Chicago, Boston, and Savannah. Meanwhile, in February, NYC held large events for Chinese New Year and New Orleans held big Mardi Gras events. We just didn't have the information that would've allowed us to make the kinds of decisions we needed to make to have prevented what's currently happening.
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I’m a republican, but the administration was/is epically ill prepared to handle this. He is in way over his abilities. Picking fights with reporters asking legitimate questions to deflect responsibility is too much. They give him plenty to fairly rail against, but some tough questions need answers.
El Presidente wasted 6 weeks of potential preparation time, how many masks, PPE and ventilators could have been acquired? His messaging confused the 45% of the country that solidly backs him into taking no action and basically lied to the citizens to reduce impact on the stock market. I’m not seeing much difference between China and the US as far as preparation and communication. China eventually shut everything down. We should have shut down in early February and this may have been essentially over.
Then, we likely wouldn’t be at 300k cases and 8k deaths as of too day- but no “it’s just one case”, “ we’ve got this under control”, “ it’s just like the flu”, “it’s 15 cases, soon to be zero”, “anybody can get tested”...... His response to this event has been historically poor based on any president this country has had- “not a 10/10”. His head was/is in the sand, ignoring the biggest problem facing the nation. He will be remembered as a once a century leader- the James Buchanan or Herbert Hoover of his time.
He was very complimentary of President Trump. Just about crushed Joy Behar when he answered her bitter question with a positive affirmation of the job the president is doing.
I don't think your timeline is right...please read through following actual timeline of relevant data....there is much more information that this in the following non political link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_from_November_2019_to_January_2020. It is not fair to think any administration could have done much better without being able to have firsthand access to all the information. Look at when the WHO determined it was a Pandemic and when the US CDC raised travel to level 4 ...January 30th and then on the 31st the President restricted all travel. Only 3 people had died in China on January 19th, that is hard to classify as a Pandemic don't you think?
On 14 January, Maria Van Kerkhove, acting head of WHO's emerging diseases unit said that there had been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus, mainly small clusters in families, adding that "it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission
On 19 January, the first confirmed cases were reported in China, outside Wuhan, one in the southern province of Guangdong and two in Beijing.[99] Wuhan reported 136 additional laboratory-confirmed cases, bringing the total number of laboratory-confirmed cases in China to 201. A new death was also reported in Wuhan, bringing the total number of fatalities in China to three
21 January[edit]
The World Health Organization announced that it would hold an emergency meeting on the virus the following day to determine if the virus is a "public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC)".[
22 January[edit]
WHO's emergency committee was unable to reach a consensus—with one member stating that the vote was "50/50. Even."—on whether the outbreak should be classified as a PHEIC due to lack of information.[402] The committee will resume discussion the next day.[403]
25 January[edit]
The United States announced plans to evacuate US citizens out of Wuhan by charter jet.[419] The US government later clarified that it only had limited capacity for private citizen evacuations.
27 January[edit]
On 27 January, the WHO assessed the risk of COVID-19 to be "high at the global level".[422]
The USCDC expands travel advisory from Wuhan to the whole of Hubei Province.[433] Later that day, the US State Department raised the travel advisory for China to Level 3 ("Reconsider Travel: Avoid travel due to serious risks to safety and security.") due to the coronavirus.[434] The same day, the USCDC again updates its travel health notice to Warning - Level 3, Avoid All Nonessential Travel to China.[
29 January
The WHO announces that its director-general has decided to reconvene their international health regulations emergency committee on 30 January to reconsider declaring a global health emergency, technically a "public health emergency of international concern" (PHEIC). The reconvening is due "mainly on the evidence of increasing number of cases, human-to-human transmission outside of China, and the further development of transmission."[452][453
30 January[edit]
The WHO director-general declares the coronavirus outbreak a "Public Health Emergency of International Concern" (PHEIC), reversing two previous decisions after emergency committee meetings in the last week.[462][463][464] WHO also issued a warning that that "all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread" of the virus.[465]
The US State Department issued an updated travel advisory as "Level 4: Do Not Travel to China."
31 January
The United States government declares a Public Health Emergency due to the coronavirus, and is closing its borders to all foreign nationals "who pose a threat of transmitting the virus from entering the country and would quarantine U.S. citizens returning from Hubei province in China, the epicenter of the outbreak, for up to 14 days," starting Sunday, February 2 at 5 p.m. The 195 Americans on the Air Force base in California whom were recently evacuated from Wuhan recently will also be quarantined.[495][496][497]
I think he’s an incompetent boob who’s going to set the conservative movement way back, I just don’t think the silliness he’s said about the virus has had much effect on our preparedness. I also think lots of people didn’t take this very seriously to begin with.
Thanks. I have read multiple timelines from Trump's responses to the CDC to different governor's timelines ie DeSantis, DeWine, Cuomo, McMaster and a few others. I find it interesting and dangerous the lip service, non aggressive action and stupidity from some government officials compare to others.
Your timeline should start on Dec 31 and also have this nugget from the CDC on January 8th
https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/han00424.asp
do you think his leadership (lies) have had anything to do with people not taking it seriously?
It is hard to put all the information in a response to a blog without boring everyone. I don't like to present anything without having some corroboration from other sources. There is a ton of information coming from multiple sources and I think more is being added to the timeline as we speak even to what happened in November and December....The Chinese government released some information and hid some information....the WHO and our CDC had limited to no access to the situation....The possible 1st patient was in November and with the US and China having 14,000 people per day traveling between the 2 countries and the travel between other countries has to be enormous. It is hard to believe that this pandemic didn't start sooner. It would be interesting to do a study on the travelers in November and December and see how many were sick in that time period and do an antibody test to determine if they were sick with Covid 19. I would not want to be any president during this time period, because rarely, even with all the experts could you ever make all the right decisions and your enemies are always trying to bring you down.
