Just beat up the cops . One chasing had a concussion. Guy points something at him. He is shot while he is turning from shooting the taser. Murder? Please.
I know of one member here who's an ATL cop. What's going on?
- Thread starter gardentiger
- Start date
Just beat up the cops . One chasing had a concussion. Guy points something at him. He is shot while he is turning from shooting the taser. Murder? Please.
You’re in favor of shooting to kill someone if they brandish a brick or a metal pipe in a threatening manor?
I’m sorry my friend. That’s a bridge too far for me.
So you are a police officer with a gun. A person who has already hit you finds a metal pipe and approaches you in a threatening manor. You know that this person could gain possession of your weapon if you are even temporarily stunned. What do you think you should do?
Unless I am mistaken, officers are required to complete and continually recertify in defensive tactics, which includes weapon retention techniques.
So your answer is they should try to defend themselves and hope for the best? Remember, whatever the rule is applies to every situation. So you are saying that if a female officer is being approached by a man with a baseball bat that out weighs her by 50-100 lbs who she has already been struggling with and may go to jail for an extended period of time if apprehended, should just try her best not to relinquish her weapon and see how it goes?
That's not how escalation of force works. Let's take police out of it. What if someone breaks into your house with a pipe? You going to pick up your pipe and go at it? I am not. I am going to pick up my gun and end the threat. You come at a cop with a weapon they are trained to use a greater force (in this case a gun) to end the threat.
The taser had already been fired. He couldn't re-use it. It's not like a 6-shooter or he had a clip of tasers. I've seen the video 20 times.He turns around and fires it at the officer and you see the electrodes in the air. He couldn't re-use it. So yes, he was unarmed.
I usually agree with you scar, but in this instance, he should have had more charges added on for resisting arrest and whatever, but no reason to shoot him in the back.
Or maybe she could just pepper spray or tase him (again, not a deadly weapon in my opinion). Going straight to trying to kill him seems like an unreasonable escalation IMO.
I’m not a cop and I don’t have that defensive training, so yeah I’m holding him at gunpoint and am prepared to act to ensure my family’s safety if he advances on me.
It's the maybe part that is unacceptable. Maybe she can try to pepper spray him and maybe she doesn't miss and maybe they are not strung out on something where the effect of pepper spray or a taser is enough. The people attacking police officers know they have a gun. It is a reasonable assumption that someone attacking someone else who has a gun may intend death upon/to that person. Imo, once you show intent to harm and the possibility of death is involved, all bets are off. What should not be forgotten in all this is that the other person is putting themselves in harms way in every one of these situations. They are not innocent bystanders. They are choosing to put their life in danger.
Back in 2009 they came out with a new taser that could discharge 3 times. I'm sure some in law enforcement could verify if that is what law enforcement use now.
Either way the man should not have been shot in the back three times and killed. He was drunk and he was an idiot for causing a physical confrontation and taking the cop's stun gun. They had his info and his vehicle. There were two cops in pursuit of a drunk man, and he had to be killed? Give me a fvcking break. If they had caught him and kicked his ass I would understand that, but they killed his ass.
I support the police 100% and wouldn't have their job for all the money in the world. I watched the entire video and the man was very respectful towards the police and the police officers were extremely professional and respectful as well. Everything went well until they tried to cuff him and then he fvcked up and fought them and tried to get away. It's a shame this turned out the way it did. I just dont see the justification of taking the man's life in this situation.
Last edited:
Use of deadly force comes down to threat of life. A pipe, a rock, a knife, a gun. Could all meet deadly force criteria. There are tons of what ifs you can do, but the question is whether the cops felt there was enough of a threat to their life.
a guy who just forcibly escaped and stole and fired a taser could be a threat to life. But it sounds like his primary motivation was escape. So maybe he was no longer a threat.
But maybe given the other influences of his being drunk, his previous record, his fighting maybe other events that day for the cops all lead them to believe he was a threat. Or maybe they overreacted.
i know in the Navy we trained that a bomber that launches a weapon and then turns outbound is possibly no longer a threat. But maybe they are repositioning for a other attack.
a guy who just forcibly escaped and stole and fired a taser could be a threat to life. But it sounds like his primary motivation was escape. So maybe he was no longer a threat.
But maybe given the other influences of his being drunk, his previous record, his fighting maybe other events that day for the cops all lead them to believe he was a threat. Or maybe they overreacted.
i know in the Navy we trained that a bomber that launches a weapon and then turns outbound is possibly no longer a threat. But maybe they are repositioning for a other attack.
Again that is not how law enforcement is trained. Doing that kind of thing is how cops die in the line of duty.
Confucius says
resist arrest, fight with a cop, shoot a weapon at a cop-
high likelihood you will get shot and maybe die.
resist arrest, fight with a cop, shoot a weapon at a cop-
high likelihood you will get shot and maybe die.
Good opinion piece in AJC on Paul Howard:
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/opin...-will-keep-him-office/PChwPPpA4OZNe7UH5qzUYK/
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/opin...-will-keep-him-office/PChwPPpA4OZNe7UH5qzUYK/
Sincerely hope Paul Howard is criminally charged in this case...in addition to his other shit.
This is a huge deal. This cop was in fear for his life. Good grief! No wonder Atlanta cops refuse to go to certain areas!
It’s true, the legally drunk Brooks never presented himself as a threat — until he suddenly started fighting two cops, punched one, gave another a concussion, stole one of their Tasers, ran and then tried to shoot it at Garrett Rolfe, the cop being charged with murder.
Garrett Rolfe has every right to defend himself. If not, what would have happened if in the fight Brooks took his firearm and used it on him?! I personally would say Fvck that to being a cop in any major metro area.
You can Donate here to help Officer Rolfe
https://www.georgialeo.org/post/apd...9whPXboikxpUV3_3E-jbztW7HiXOQ1EQaR1u9k2SX7x0I
Can you kill someone with a brick or metal pipe. Yes of course you can. First one is shot, there will be no second one. Promise.
You can ram someone's head into the pavement until they die as well.
If the argument is that the use of deadly force should always be allowed to subdue a suspect, just say so.
For all the “they had his ID and vehicle” people - say this incident occurred at the entrance to your neighborhood. A drunk, convicted felon fights off two cops and runs into your neighborhood - then, the cops say “Oh well, let him go - we'll just tow his vehicle and try to find him another day.” Would you seriously be good with that situation?
There has to be a reasonable element to this. It takes several hits to kill someone that way, especially a trained law enforcement officer.
It takes one hit with a brick or pipe.
But people do need to understand that if you decide to fight a police officer, you could end up dead. He may go to jail for it, but unless he's making the cure to death as part of his sentence you will still be dead.
Being drunk is no excuse. If you cannot hold your liquor, don't drink.
A wise man once said "Comply with the police on the street, fight them in court."
Similar threads
