Is it just my perception or are "liberals" taking this virus
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I would say yes because a lot of it has to do with where they get their news from (i.e. CNN vs Fox News).
Liberals understand science and aren’t afraid to sacrifice for the greater good. Conservatives don’t understand science and don’t care about others.
Some of it has to do with where they get their news, some of it has to do with Trump's initial reaction (which relates to #1), some has to do with the general attitude toward science. IMO, of course.
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“Conservatives” are just defending Trump and parroting whatever he says. “Liberals” are feasting on the fact that Trump completely bumbled this and are over politicizing it for the hell of it. Vicious cycle.
Such as the climate change scientific community?
It's fairly straightforward.
Left tends to gravitate towards humanism, Right more towards theism.
Also, left by definition places higher value on emotion while right is more wired to let logic dominate their perspective.
I'm not certain which one of these 2 factors is the main driver of the differing perspectives, but it is something I enjoy thinking about.
That's certainly false.
I do think there's a little something more to individual rights vs collective group.
Your observation is entirely correct, and I've noticed it with my friends and family as well. I have an idea about why that is, but I'm not interested in getting into a partisan bickering match over this, so I'll just say it's about money.
I'm looking forward to the links you're going to provide to support these asinine statements.
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So if I took it seriously in the beginning does that mean I am actually a liberal?
No, these are just broader social trends. There are plenty of conservatives taking it very seriously, it's just that the people who aren't seem to be overwhelmingly conservatives.
?? Asinine? Really? What part of what I said do you find invalid? I wasn't making any statements about right/wrong, superior/ inferior, just simple stereotypical definitions.
Okay, so provide something to support your "stereotypical definitions." We both know those were just your opinions.
Hey, I like you. I'm not trying to be an ass here. I don't think our communication is on the same page in this conversation. If you want to mention what you didn't agree w/ about my post, good, maybe I'll learn something. Otherwise, it seems to continue along this line would be a waste of both our times.
Okay, fair enough. I'm sorry, I guess I'm a little on edge from some of these all is well, business as usual opinions I keep reading here.
I've thought a lot about this and I would disagree with you. I think liberals have a better ability to interpret science and think about things at a population level. Conservatives have a great role to play at the family and local community level.
Lots of times I think liberals are more likely to recycle, thinking of population level help. But conservatives often driven by local groups like church level things, are out feeding the homeless. Nobody is better, and both groups are needed.
Nobody is "wrong" per se, it's just a matter of favoring the global population vs. the local populations. Certainly it's more nuanced than that, but I think these are the sort of social behaviors driving things.
All of that said, it's different in 2020 technology environment and conservatives, as I have often identified, are being abused by their lack of tech knowledge.
The part about right leaning people being more driven by logic is what I disagreed with.
Some would argue that Republicans (if that is what you mean by conservatives) have leveraged technology particularly social media way better than the democrats the last two elections cycles. Facebook even noted before 2016 it shared info with both parties and the GOP ran with it.
Oh yeah. In what sense? Logic can be kind of a 'catch all' word. So, we could be using the word from a different perspective. .
I'm using it more in the sense of the antithetical relationship emotion and logic have to one another.
Left, of course, more associated w/ political correctness. PC places an emphasis on emotion, and so, by default, in relative terms the right... more logical.
Or in a biological sense, People high in openness (associated w/ more emotional) more often vote left leaning candidates/ identify w/ left leaning ideology. And, people high in conscientiousness (not associated w/ emotional) tend to lean right.
I'm not using the terms in a superior/inferior way. Using it more in a biological predisposition way.
In terms of electability I would agree. In terms of honesty I would disagree.
Recently, the right seems to have a lot more skepticism towards experts than the left. The left acknowledges the consensus on climate change while the right does not. The left on the whole is better educated than the right. The right is disproportionately religious (which is kinda explicitly anti-rational). We are more grounded on facts with our policies (drug testing for food stamps is a waste of time, supply side economics does not work the way most Republicans say it does, marijuana doesn't turn you into a killer, voter ID's don't prevent any fraud and are only there to make it less likely for black people to vote, etc etc). I guess, big picture, I just don't see your point on this at all. I'll grant you that the left is emotionally driven on things like gun control but the right's distaste for abortion and gay people (speaking relatively) is entirely values based. Like, what's very mainstream left wing position that you consider to be emotionally driven (that's not gun control. I already admitted some people aren't rational actors on this).
Political correctness is a problem on the both sides, it's just about different things.
Don't know how I overlooked this but sex education is another one where the left is based on logic and the right (disproportionately) emotion. You won't find my blue states trying to pass abstinence only sex education laws or trying to limit access to contraception. Medically accurate sex education and free effective contraception is the best thing you can do to reduce abortions. Opposition to either is based off of NOTHING but emotion because the facts very plainly show that contraception and sex Ed work.
Sorry, this particular subject gets me quite worked up.
I think we're thinking about logic in different ways. I'm steering clear of mixing in things like intelligence/ values/ education too anecdotal, too subjective.
I'm using logical in more of a biological sense. Like say you raised a statistical significant group of humans in a bubble, gave them a test to determine who among them was more hardwired to think along a more linear path, then let them loose on society. The smart money is betting those scoring higher on that test end up gravitating towards a more right leaning ideology. Of course, smart money will not win 100%, but will win enough to still be smart money.
Now, I freely admit, like you touched on, Nurture(education/values, etc.) can have some say in the matter, but betting against nature is a loser in the long run.
No, no. Not my theory. I don't know that is really even controversial or debated anymore. Just google something like openeness/ conscientiousness/ emotional instability and political ideology. You'll find something w/out much trouble I'm sure.
Yeah but "conscientious" is not the same as "logical". They're not even related. I can see where you're coming from with neurotocism but still don't agree with your premise - emotional and logical are not opposite ends of the same spectrum.
Even if you're right, I believe the preponderance of evidence suggests that right leaning people are less likely to use logic in determining what policy they support. I'm a lot more concerned with what people do than how there "hard wired".
I think you've gotten some terms twisted and have drawn some conclusions that are not accurate.
Depends on what you mean by more serious.
Are there more self quarantined liberals? Are there more liberals complaining about not being able to get a test with no symptoms. Are there more liberals partying on spring break?
or are there just more making soundbites in mainstream media or social media. Lots of conservative politicians are taking this pretty darned serious.
Nothing is ever always and nothing is ever never.
Not everyone is liberal or conservative.
I tend to be a tech savy anarchist too timid to overthrow anything.
Just wasting air till kickoff.
Not everyone is liberal or conservative.
I tend to be a tech savy anarchist too timid to overthrow anything.
Just wasting air till kickoff.
One should be wary of those that speak in absolutes.
Which is basically Trump's main vernacular.
Doesn't sound like you are all that impressed w/ nature. As for me, I don't think nurture ever beat nature. I just think the time ran out. Maybe ur right though? more fun your way.
Anyway, nice chatting w/ you
I still can't buy the logic argument when the majority of conservatives in this country are Christians. There is absolutely nothing logical or "conscientious" about faith. Faith is entirely emotional.
I believe that liberal-leaning people are more supportive of government programs and regulation.
Conservatives are more supportive of most individual freedoms.
This situation falls squarely between the two issues.
Conservatives are more supportive of most individual freedoms.
This situation falls squarely between the two issues.
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My point was that you never even made a compelling case that conservatives were, by nature, more logical. The best you came up with is that liberals tended to be more emotionally volatile but, as I said, emotional and logical are not opposite ends of the same spectrum. A person can be very angry and very rational. They can also be calm and irrational.
He doesn't have to provide any links, have you not watched any news over the past year? No fewer than 3 elected officials, all on the democratic side mind you, have told the American people that the truth is more important than facts. Talk about asinine!
