Joe Rogan Show - COVID related

[nytigerfan]

Sorry for another coronavirus thread, but if this guy is right, holy crap.

• You get the virus if someone who has it breathes on you, even if that person does not know they have it
• he expects 400K+ americans to die
• good news: kids are basically immune, they carry the virus but do not seem to be very affected by it.
• Obese americans are more likely to die
• Lack of generic drugs from china means more people will die of other issues without drugs

 

[SDTiger9]

If true, represents a 14% increase of annual death rate.

2017 annual USA data
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf

• Total Number of deaths: 2,813,503
  Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
  
• 
  
• Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
  • Heart disease: 647,457
  • Cancer: 599,108
  • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
  • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
  • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
  • Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
  • Diabetes: 83,564
  • Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
  • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
  • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

 

[CU Alumnus]

Haven't watched the video yet but where is he getting his info? I know his occupation but is he involved with the effort to contain this thing?

Not sure what all we can do at this point. Get plenty of rest, perhaps take a multivitamin, eat right, and try to get as healthy as you can. Maybe avoid visiting Nana at the nursing home if you don't feel well.

And stock up on toilet paper.

 

[clemsonu0219]

Basically any Epidemiologist worth their weight in water says this thing is going to get really bad unless something changes dramatically. The reason for all the shutdowns is attempting to mitigate/delay hoping something changes.

People relying on low numbers CURRENTLY are missing the entire problem...

 

[CU Alumnus]

Basically any Epidemiologist worth their weight in water says this thing is going to get really bad unless something changes dramatically. The reason for all the shutdowns is attempting to mitigate/delay hoping something changes.

I've heard that warmer weather will slow it's growth.

If true, then global warming might indeed save our lives!

 

[athigpe]

I thought it was pretty good, measured and not overly hyperbolic. If I remember he said it could be about 10x worse than typical flu influenzas. That doesn’t surprise me. Certainly not good, but also not worth nationwide meltdown.

The stuff about those crazy deers freaked me out. I also have been to way too many Chinese and Thai markets to know that they’re definitely going to be eventual end of the world. Those places are germ orgies. Every time I go it blows my mind that they still exist in modern day.

 

[clemsonu0219]

I've heard that warmer weather will slow it's growth.

If true, then global warming might indeed save our lives!

There is absolutely zero guarantee on that. It could, absolutely, but they don’t know.

The R0 will have to drop to well below what it is currently. The warmer weather will help some just because people naturally distance themselves more but there is zero definitive evidence regarding viral shift.

Plan for the reasonable worst case and do all we can to get the best case.

 

[nytigerfan]

Haven't watched the video yet but where is he getting his info? I know his occupation but is he involved with the effort to contain this thing?

Not sure what all we can do at this point. Get plenty of rest, perhaps take a multivitamin, eat right, and try to get as healthy as you can. Maybe avoid visiting Nana at the nursing home if you don't feel well.

And stock up on toilet paper.

Not sure, I will have to look him up. If what he is saying is correct, it seems odd that we are being told to wash our hands all the time, when it is an airborne illness. Maybe the government wants us to feel that we have some level of control when we have none.

 

[Gruntmaster]

Not sure, I will have to look him up. If what he is saying is correct, it seems odd that we are being told to wash our hands all the time, when it is an airborne illness. Maybe the government wants us to feel that we have some level of control when we have none.

Watched the video yesterday. He seems to know what he's talking about.
It's interesting what he says about our obese population having more of a problem with this, considering 45% of the US population falls in that category, which is disgusting on it's own.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Not sure, I will have to look him up. If what he is saying is correct, it seems odd that we are being told to wash our hands all the time, when it is an airborne illness. Maybe the government wants us to feel that we have some level of control when we have none.

Could be to allay panic. Which is a real concept. But I would think that hand washing would at the least have some affect on limiting the virus' movement.

The thing is - if you tell everyone that the big bad virus is coming to get them and there's nothing they can do, and you could have absolute pandemonium. Tell them there is something they can do to limit it, and you can maybe keep some semblance of order. At least buy some time.

I admit I'm a lot more concerned than I was before.

 

[Maverick369]

Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

I'd say he knows a little about the subject matter. He's not fear-mongering but lays it out there based on his very professional opinions. He has a book he put out 3 years ago that foretold the scenario pretty much as it's playing out now.

 

[clemsonu0219]

Could be to allay panic. Which is a real concept. But I would think that hand washing would at the least have some affect on limiting the virus' movement.

The thing is - if you tell everyone that the big bad virus is coming to get them and there's nothing they can do, and you could have absolute pandemonium. Tell them there is something they can do to limit it, and you can maybe keep some semblance of order. At least buy some time.

I admit I'm a lot more concerned than I was before.

Very true re: pandemonium. I think they are delivering the info in stages.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Joe Rogan should not be your first or main source of information on anything, even if his guest is a serious person like this one was. He's the first person I've seen who's suggested that the disease is airborne, rather than being spread by water droplets. I would take what he says seriously, but also take what the CDC and your local health department is saying seriously.

 

[TigerDentGuy]

Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

I'd say he knows a little about the subject matter. He's not fear-mongering but lays it out there based on his very professional opinions. He has a book he put out 3 years ago that foretold the scenario pretty much as it's playing out now.

You never leave your house anyway. Unless some fat old sob comes to your house you'll probably escape death this time.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

I'd say he knows a little about the subject matter. He's not fear-mongering but lays it out there based on his very professional opinions. He has a book he put out 3 years ago that foretold the scenario pretty much as it's playing out now.

He's a credible guy who people should pay attention to, but also Minnesota only has 5 cases right now out of 222 tested. it's not exactly an epicenter.

 

[clemsonu0219]

Joe Rogan should not be your first or main source of information on anything, even if his guest is a serious person like this one was. He's the first person I've seen who's suggested that the disease is airborne, rather than being spread by water droplets. I would take what he says seriously, but also take what the CDC and your local health department is saying seriously.

Medical Centers have all been taking airborne precautions as they can from the onset. Problem is, most of them don’t have the capacity on any meaningful scale.

They have discovered droplets in air vents. Think it was in China but can’t remember.

It’s primarily spread thru droplets however.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Medical Centers have all been taking airborne precautions as they can from the onset. Problem is, most of them don’t have the capacity on any meaningful scale.

They have discovered droplets in air vents. Think it was in China but can’t remember.

It’s primarily spread thru droplets however.

This is from UChicago a few days ago:

Is COVID-19 airborne?
In infection control, we draw a line between things that are transmitted by traveling in the air briefly in respiratory droplets and things that are actually aerosolized and float around for a while. Think of droplets as small bits of fluid that you can feel and see when someone sneezes. You sneeze or cough and these droplets get on surfaces and then you touch them and get them on your hands, or they can fly right into your mouth or nose or eyes. That’s how most coronaviruses are transmitted and that’s how we think this one is too.

Aerosols are different. Think of hairspray after you use it in the bathroom. When you go back to the bathroom later, you may still be able to smell it because it’s lingering in the air. Obviously, we’re learning a lot about this virus, but most coronaviruses aren’t airborne that way. Generally speaking, there may be times when some of these droplets or particles are airborne, but it’s limited.

CDC recommends "Standard Precautions," as well as the following:
If admitted, place a patient with known or suspected COVID-19 in a single-person room with the door closed. The patient should have a dedicated bathroom.

• Airborne Infection Isolation Rooms (AIIRs) (See definition of AIIR in appendix) should be reserved for patients who will be undergoing aerosol-generating procedures (See Aerosol-Generating Procedures Section)

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

Sorry for another coronavirus thread, but if this guy is right, holy crap.

• You get the virus if someone who has it breathes on you, even if that person does not know they have it
• he expects 400K+ americans to die
• good news: kids are basically immune, they carry the virus but do not seem to be very affected by it.
• Obese americans are more likely to die
• Lack of generic drugs from china means more people will die of other issues without drugs

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If I wrote a book about and impending pandemic, I would probably be pulling for the coronavirus as well.

 

[BigPapaWhit]

And stock up on toilet paper.

I've been pushing my wife to get a bidet for years.

 

[RUBDROC]

Rogan is Bernie supporter.....all i need to know.

 

[cjtiger300]

Not sure, I will have to look him up. If what he is saying is correct, it seems odd that we are being told to wash our hands all the time, when it is an airborne illness. Maybe the government wants us to feel that we have some level of control when we have none.

He mentioned that later in the interview.

 

[TigerEE91]

It fascinates me that there is a very large male audience out there that will totally believe Joe Rogan on this, but has been ignoring reputable scientists for the past 6-8 weeks.

Anyways, a somewhat conservative assumption of impact is that 70 million Americans will get it. Assuming a mortality rate of .5% (i.e. much lower than seen in some other first world countries and lower than the U.S right now), that comes to 700K. So Rogan is stating a fairly conservative estimate.

 

[afadams]

It fascinates me that there is a very large male audience out there that will totally believe Joe Rogan on this, but has been ignoring reputable scientists for the past 6-8 weeks.

Anyways, a somewhat conservative assumption of impact is that 70 million Americans will get it. Assuming a mortality rate of .5% (i.e. much lower than seen in some other first world countries and lower than the U.S right now), that comes to 700K. So Rogan is stating a fairly conservative estimate.

.5 mortality rate would be 350k dead, big difference

 

[jimbob1019]

Basically any Epidemiologist worth their weight in water says this thing is going to get really bad unless something changes dramatically. The reason for all the shutdowns is attempting to mitigate/delay hoping something changes.

People relying on low numbers CURRENTLY are missing the entire problem...

It won’t get bad..sure, there will be cases popping up daily but it won’t be “bad” on the scale that you’re talking...
Take China for example...they’re already getting things under control & seeing a decline in the number of cases...& they practically live shoulder to shoulder over there...we’ll be fine...
I’m one to two months, we will have moved on from this & found something else to freak out about.

 

[clemsonu0219]

It won’t get bad..sure, there will be cases popping up daily but it won’t be “bad” on the scale that you’re talking...
Take China for example...they’re already getting things under control & seeing a decline in the number of cases...& they practically live shoulder to shoulder over there...we’ll be fine...
I’m one to two months, we will have moved on from this & found something else to freak out about.

I didn’t even quantify bad. I would use epidemiologists predictions for that.

China has not come remotely close to moving on. They are NOT “living shoulder to shoulder”. The majorly impacted areas in China are under total quarantine and just now beginning a transition process. The disease has NOT been defeated there. It’s not over, unfortunately. Once they go back to “shoulder to shoulder” things will change...though certainly I hope not.

I hope you’re right, I really do, but we should NOT be downplaying it. Panic? Of course not, that doesn’t help anyone.

 

[Chinedu Ohan Fan]

It fascinates me that there is a very large male audience out there that will totally believe Joe Rogan on this, but has been ignoring reputable scientists for the past 6-8 weeks.

Anyways, a somewhat conservative assumption of impact is that 70 million Americans will get it. Assuming a mortality rate of .5% (i.e. much lower than seen in some other first world countries and lower than the U.S right now), that comes to 700K. So Rogan is stating a fairly conservative estimate.

I don’t think Rogan has really stated anything. His guest is the expert and the one making predictions.

 

[NorthStateTiger]

I think there's a big urban rural divide on this.

If you live in Springfield, SC you probably don't think its a big deal. If you live in Atlanta or DC or Denver, probably more nervous.

 

[bizlat]

I wouldn't call this dude a clown, but he brings the typical ' if you would have waited 5 more minutes we would have had to amputate ' doctor speak.

Some folks lap that stuff up (chicks), but it's just a predisposition to see things from a worst case scenario that you kind of have to filter. You can't really blame doctor/ government types for taking an overly cautious approach when you're dealing w/ people's lives.

One question Joe asks for best case scenario. Dude gives pretty much a worst case scenario. He just cant help himself.

Also, he spun the numbers when talking about flu of 1918, predictably trying to subtly imply that the 2 are comparable. In reality, they aren't comparable in any way, shape, or form.

 

[clemsonu0219]

For the Trump lovers, this is his hand-selected guy for COVID19.

 

[Maverick369]

You never leave your house anyway. Unless some fat old sob comes to your house you'll probably escape death this time.

I've been preparing for years. Thank goodness for good air filtration systems too.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I don’t think Rogan has really stated anything. His guest is the expert and the one making predictions.

I think the point he was making is that a lot of people didn't care about this until Rogan had somebody on to talk about it.

 

[nytigerfan]

I think there's a big urban rural divide on this.

If you live in Springfield, SC you probably don't think its a big deal. If you live in Atlanta or DC or Denver, probably more nervous.

I had not thought of that, but you are probably right. There is also seems to be a divide based on political affiliation.

 

[Chinedu Ohan Fan]

I think the point he was making is that a lot of people didn't care about this until Rogan had somebody on to talk about it.

Fair enough. However, I can see how that would be the case for a lot of people who are tired of trying to filter through all the garbage CNN, Fox News, and the like put on the air in short segments.

 

[BigPapaWhit]

Since we are referencing internet celebrities, anybody follow Nassim Nicholas Taleb?

twitter - @nntaleb author of The Black Swan, AntiFragile, Skin in the Game

Guy has some interesting thoughts on the outbreak.

Why its better to panic early.

 

[BigPapaWhit]

I think there's a big urban rural divide on this.

If you live in Springfield, SC you probably don't think its a big deal. If you live in Atlanta or DC or Denver, probably more nervous.

If one don't have it or catch it Springfield may be a great place to be. If one did catch it, one would probably rather be near top rate medical care.

But on the surface there seems to be truth to what you type.

 

[clemben]

This should never have been a political issue but for the folks on here and everywhere making it a dem/repub thing and bad dems spreading hysteria--get ready...

China didn't release real info. Japan wanted the Olympics to happen and suppressed. Italy had been a disaster. South Korea has an excellent health care system and was aggressive in testing and stopping the spread but it still hit hard. SK govt/health care system even delivers food to your door if quarantined.

I don't like to be the guy who has a source but I wouldn't be surprised to hear in the next few weeks that all federal employees are working remotely.

It is happening. Don't panic or buy toilet paper but be prepared for changes and economic impacts (see overnight delivery, and no gatherings over 1k or even 100 people, and a myriad of other changes).

I think cpac dude and tracking his infection rate spread finally convinced the uppers to wake up. But with our awful health care system it is already too late--the real problem is going to be the lack of hospital beds and vulnerable populations. Sad.

Also airlines should have been forced to improve ventilation systems and hospitals/doctors office should never have had waiting rooms that were just there to improve margins and numbers of patients.

 

[mpresr01]

The University of Tennessee (also heard Wisconsin) is in testing phase for a cure for it... red tape and all slowing the process

 

[Smiling_Tiger]

They just canceled my son’s school for the rest of the month

 

[scott in nashville]

Rogan is Bernie supporter.....all i need to know.

Interesting, he's usually a libertarian.

 

[WinstonW101]

Interesting, he's usually a libertarian.

Bernie stated he endorsed him but that wasn’t true