Just a reminder…

[Orange&Purple]

For all you clowns that have trashed and bashed the man…tomorrow is going to be beautiful day!!

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Hope you feel better.

 

[Orange&Purple]

Hope you feel better.

I’m getting there. Bronchitis and RSV were awful, still got a bad cough though. Thanks bro!

 

[hopefultiger13]

For all you clowns that have trashed and bashed the man…tomorrow is going to be beautiful day!!

This is actually hilarious coming from a Trump supporter given your reaction to the 2020 election. I agree the Trump is my President. HOWEVER, everyone on the board knows that you Trumpians would be crying like little bitches if he would have lost. So I'm unclear on why you are making fun of someone who acts EXACTLY like you all did just 4 year's ago.

 

[SGTiger]

This is actually hilarious coming from a Trump supporter given your reaction to the 2020 election. I agree the Trump is my President. HOWEVER, everyone on the board knows that you Trumpians would be crying like little bitches if he would have lost. So I'm unclear on why you are making fun of someone who acts EXACTLY like you all did just 4 year's ago.

Speaking of crying like a little bitch... Your tears are delicious

 

[hopefultiger13]

Speaking of crying like a little bitch... Your tears are delicious

No tears from me. You guys know how I feel about Trump... I think he's a bad bad man. I hate that he won. But I don't get to pick the President, we all do. And Trump won the election and gets to do things his way. That's Democracy in action and IF I could go and somehow change the result so that Harris won, I wouldn't do it. Because that's not my place.

MY POINT, was at the folks posting about Dems bitching about Trump not being their President. Trump is their President, just like he's my President. But I DID think that it was a bit hypocritical for folks that have been crying, pissing, and moaning for 4 years about Trump losing a fair election in 2020 (just like he won a fair election in 2016 and 2024) would be throwing THAT particular stone.

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[dpic73]

 

[WapPride]

No tears from me. You guys know how I feel about Trump... I think he's a bad bad man. I hate that he won. But I don't get to pick the President, we all do. And Trump won the election and gets to do things his way. That's Democracy in action and IF I could go and somehow change the result so that Harris won, I wouldn't do it. Because that's not my place.

MY POINT, was at the folks posting about Dems bitching about Trump not being their President. Trump is their President, just like he's my President. But I DID think that it was a bit hypocritical for folks that have been crying, pissing, and moaning for 4 years about Trump losing a fair election in 2020 (just like he won a fair election in 2016 and 2024) would be throwing THAT particular stone.

It's funny that the one main theme I've seen from MAGA since the election has been grievances. Every non-MAGA I've seen post on here since the election has said "hate the man, but he won, and i'm hoping for the best" (more or less.) Every MAGA post i've seen has been some sort of grievance fueled shitposting. They care more about libs being upset than about really anything else.

Sad, really.

 

[hopefultiger13]

It's funny that the one main theme I've seen from MAGA since the election has been grievances. Every non-MAGA I've seen post on here since the election has said "hate the man, but he won, and i'm hoping for the best" (more or less.) Every MAGA post i've seen has been some sort of grievance fueled shitposting. They care more about libs being upset than about really anything else.

Sad, really.

But not surprising at all. One of the reasons I don't like Trump is that he's a solid "rules for thee, but not for me" kind of guy. And his followers are the same.

Case in point on the birthright citizenship executive order directly contradicting the 14th amendment. Can you imagine what Trump and MAGA would have said if Biden had done something similar (say to the 1st or 2nd amendment)? They would be up in arms and rightfully so. The truth is that I don't really have a hard and fast opinion on birthright citizenship. I can see why you would or would not like it. But there's no doubt that this is part of the constitution and no Executive Order by the President of the US should be able to overrule that. There's a process to change the constitution and that's what you need to do to change it.

But this is DONALD TRUMP. And his supporters are 100% behind him and the constitution be damned.

 

[TigerGrowls]

But not surprising at all. One of the reasons I don't like Trump is that he's a solid "rules for thee, but not for me" kind of guy. And his followers are the same.

Case in point on the birthright citizenship executive order directly contradicting the 14th amendment. Can you imagine what Trump and MAGA would have said if Biden had done something similar (say to the 1st or 2nd amendment)? They would be up in arms and rightfully so. The truth is that I don't really have a hard and fast opinion on birthright citizenship. I can see why you would or would not like it. But there's no doubt that this is part of the constitution and no Executive Order by the President of the US should be able to overrule that. There's a process to change the constitution and that's what you need to do to change it.

But this is DONALD TRUMP. And his supporters are 100% behind him and the constitution be damned.

This will be determined by scotus eventually. We will see.

 

[ANEW]

This will be determined by scotus eventually. We will see.

Yes it wil. But there is only one decision that makes any sort of sense. Allowing people to come here termporarily to have kids and make those kids citizens is just plain stupid, and even dumber are that people want to argue that it makes sense.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Yes it wil. But there is only one decision that makes any sort of sense. Allowing people to come here termporarily to have kids and make those kids citizens is just plain stupid, and even dumber are that people want to argue that it makes sense.

I'm not arguing for it (or against it). I'm saying that it's in the constitution. Period. The constitution is the document that we use to govern. IMHO, you don't get to pick and choose which parts of it you want to apply and which we can ignore. Should Trump revoke the right of women to vote (the 19th Amendment)? Of course not. What if Trump gave an executive order to remove the 21st amendment... making alcohol illegal again? Some folks wouldn't have a problem with that, but most probably would. There are plenty of folks that would LOVE Trump to remove the right to keep and bare arms? Should he do that? Maybe remove the right not to incriminate yourself (the 5th amendment)? What about religious freedom... maybe run those Muslims right out of the US? I'm sure some folks would be behind that one.

Point being, that when you start picking a choosing what parts of the constitution you want to follow, things can turn badly quickly. As I said, I don't love birthright citizenship. It wouldn't bother me personally if it weren't in the constitution. And there's a method to remove it. Namely, 2/3rds of the HoR and Senate have to vote for it, followed by 3/4ths of the State Legislatures voting for it. THAT'S the way you change it, not by executive order.

We do agree on the fact that there's only one decision that makes any sense. Section 1 of the 14th amendment:

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Section 1​

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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That's as simple as it gets, and I've no idea how even the most conservative SCOTUS justices (who style themselves as strict constitutionalist) can make any other decision regarding Trump's order.

 

[ANEW]

I'm not arguing for it (or against it). I'm saying that it's in the constitution. Period. The constitution is the document that we use to govern. IMHO, you don't get to pick and choose which parts of it you want to apply and which we can ignore. Should Trump revoke the right of women to vote (the 19th Amendment)? Of course not. What if Trump gave an executive order to remove the 21st amendment... making alcohol illegal again? Some folks wouldn't have a problem with that, but most probably would. There are plenty of folks that would LOVE Trump to remove the right to keep and bare arms? Should he do that? Maybe remove the right not to incriminate yourself (the 5th amendment)? What about religious freedom... maybe run those Muslims right out of the US? I'm sure some folks would be behind that one.

Point being, that when you start picking a choosing what parts of the constitution you want to follow, things can turn badly quickly. As I said, I don't love birthright citizenship. It wouldn't bother me personally if it weren't in the constitution. And there's a method to remove it. Namely, 2/3rds of the HoR and Senate have to vote for it, followed by 3/4ths of the State Legislatures voting for it. THAT'S the way you change it, not by executive order.

We do agree on the fact that there's only one decision that makes any sense. Section 1 of the 14th amendment:

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Section 1​

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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That's as simple as it gets, and I've no idea how even the most conservative SCOTUS justices (who style themselves as strict constitutionalist) can make any other decision regarding Trump's order.

It was never meant to encourage illegal immigration or to facilitate birth tourism and chain migration. The executive order is to force the issue and hopefully settle this jackassery on the side of common sense and the intent of the amendment. I don't have any faith that the SCOTUS will do that though.

 

[DW4_2016]

Yes it wil. But there is only one decision that makes any sort of sense. Allowing people to come here termporarily to have kids and make those kids citizens is just plain stupid, and even dumber are that people want to argue that it makes sense.

why don’t you change the constitution over it?

 

[DW4_2016]

It was never meant to encourage illegal immigration or to facilitate birth tourism and chain migration. The executive order is to force the issue and hopefully settle this jackassery on the side of common sense and the intent of the amendment. I don't have any faith that the SCOTUS will do that though.

So the executive order was illegal just to force someone to say it’s illegal?

 

[DW4_2016]

This will be determined by scotus eventually. We will see.

lol, the irony.

 

[ANEW]

So the executive order was illegal just to force someone to say it’s illegal?

No the EO is the EO. I like it. Glad he did it. Good for the country. Makes sense. Removes another incentive for illegals to try and come here. The amendment was not written with the intent of facilitating what is now happening. It was to ensure citizenship of decendents of slaves as part of the reconstruction. The wording of it (and the original intent) leaves room to challenge the basis by which we grant automatic citizenship for kids of people who come here temporarily (on vacation for example) , or illegally and have no other ties to this country.

 

[ANEW]

why don’t you change the constitution over it?

Because it's not up to me, and amending the constitution is hard as hell. Why go down that process unnecessarily? It would probably not get done anyway. Better to let the SCOTUS rule and if the EO turns out to be constitutional then great! Congress should then pass a law.

 

[DW4_2016]

No the EO is the EO. I like it. Glad he did it. Good for the country. Makes sense. Removes another incentive for illegals to try and come here. The amendment was not written with the intent of facilitating what is now happening. It was to ensure citizenship of decendents of slaves as part of the reconstruction. The wording of it (and the original intent) leaves room to challenge the basis by which we grant automatic citizenship for kids of people who come here temporarily (on vacation for example) , or illegally and have no other ties to this country.

Awesome. Now do 2A.

 

[DW4_2016]

Because it's not up to me, and amending the constitution is hard as hell. Why go down that process unnecessarily? It would probably not get done anyway. Better to let the SCOTUS rule and if the EO turns out to be constitutional then great! Congress should then pass a law.

Now do abortion.

 

[ANEW]

Awesome. Now do 2A.

And you are who to me?

 

[ANEW]

Now do abortion.

Nobody. So, nah.