LA Fires

[dpic73]

dpic73, even you know that your post above is total BS!! Preparation for potential incidents like is going on in California is what MAGA folks are talking about. There was no preparation and in fact there were things done by the "know nothing" libs that enhanced the possibility of a catastrophe like is happening there now. Guess who will be on the hook for the cost of this disaster in the end? Total incompetence by the liberal elites in charge of California!

Do you have proof for your belligerent, partisan talking points that you heard on FoxNews?


"President Joe Biden is supporting state and local responses to the fire with federal resources. Today, he approved a major disaster declaration, which enables people and towns to access funds immediately in order to jump-start their recovery. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) will reimburse California for some of the costs of fighting the fires. Five U.S. Forest Service large air tankers and ten federal firefighting helicopters have been deployed to support the local firefighters; ten Navy helicopters with water delivery buckets are joining them. California governor Gavin Newsom has deployed the California National Guard, and the Nevada National Guard is standing by.

Canada, too, has sent water-dropping helicopters and a pair of planes, which are part of a firefighting contract with California that’s been in place for 14 years.

At a fire station in Santa Monica, Biden stood beside Newsom and said: “We’re prepared to do anything and everything for as long as it takes to contain these fires.”

In contrast to federal support for California under Biden, in the midst of the ongoing crisis President-elect Donald Trump blamed California governor Gavin “Newscum and his Los Angeles crew” for the fires, suggesting he had put the needs of fish over the people of California. He posted: “Governor Gavin Newscum refused to sign the water restoration declaration put before him that would have allowed millions of gallons of water, from excess rain and snow melt from the North, to flow daily into many parts of California, including the areas that are currently burning in a virtually apocalyptic way.” "Let this stand as a symbol of the gross incompetence and mismanagement of the Biden/Newsom duo,” Trump posted. “January 20th cannot come fast enough!"

Newsom’s office responded: “There is no such document as the water restoration declaration—that is pure fiction. The Governor is focused on protecting people, not playing politics, and making sure firefighters have all the resources they need.”

Trump is apparently claiming that water that could be used to fight the fires has been diverted to protect the endangered Delta smelt. But the water systems in California are complicated, and importing water from northern California would make no difference for the wildfires.

Los Angeles water doesn’t come from northern California. It comes from an aqueduct east of the Sierra Nevada, from groundwater, and from the Colorado River. Right now, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has more water stored than it has ever had before, according to Mark Gold, a board member. “It’s not a matter of having enough water coming from Northern California to put out a fire,” he told Alastair Bland of CalMatters. “It’s about the continued devastating impacts of a changing climate.”

Hydroclimatologist Peter Gleick told Taryn Luna, Liam Dillon, and Alex Wigglesworth of the Los Angeles Times that Trump’s linking of water policy to the raging fires was “blatantly false, irresponsible and politically self-serving.”

The two different responses of the current president and the incoming one reveal dramatically different approaches to the presidency."

January 8, 2024

At least four wildfires tearing across Los Angeles have killed at least five people and forced the evacuation of at least 130,000 more, and have flattened about 42 square miles (109 square kilometers).

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

 

[dpic73]

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[hopefultiger13]

You and your bud hopeful provoked me so its your fault.....LOL!!

I "provoked" you by pointing out that you posted yet another a total BS claim w/o even checking to see if it's true? REALLY? Why would my panties be in a wad about it? Just pointing out that you post stuff that simply isn't true and instead of simply saying "Oh, my bad." and moving on, you try and double down by saying that there's some sort of conspiracy theory of backdating the proclamation, even though FoxNews had a story on it day before yesterday.

I have no information one way or the other on the people reportedly setting fires in and around LA. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they were. Just as it wouldn't surprise me if this not true... you know, like the fire hydrants not working or the Governor not activating the NG. At least this time you said "If true" and the folks you are quoting are saying "reports of" and things that at least let you know that this isn't confirmed fully.

 

[dpic73]

@TigerGrowls

 

[hinds62]

Do you have proof for your belligerent, partisan talking points that you heard on FoxNews?


"President Joe Biden is supporting state and local responses to the fire with federal resources. Today, he approved a major disaster declaration, which enables people and towns to access funds immediately in order to jump-start their recovery. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) will reimburse California for some of the costs of fighting the fires. Five U.S. Forest Service large air tankers and ten federal firefighting helicopters have been deployed to support the local firefighters; ten Navy helicopters with water delivery buckets are joining them. California governor Gavin Newsom has deployed the California National Guard, and the Nevada National Guard is standing by.

Canada, too, has sent water-dropping helicopters and a pair of planes, which are part of a firefighting contract with California that’s been in place for 14 years.

At a fire station in Santa Monica, Biden stood beside Newsom and said: “We’re prepared to do anything and everything for as long as it takes to contain these fires.”

In contrast to federal support for California under Biden, in the midst of the ongoing crisis President-elect Donald Trump blamed California governor Gavin “Newscum and his Los Angeles crew” for the fires, suggesting he had put the needs of fish over the people of California. He posted: “Governor Gavin Newscum refused to sign the water restoration declaration put before him that would have allowed millions of gallons of water, from excess rain and snow melt from the North, to flow daily into many parts of California, including the areas that are currently burning in a virtually apocalyptic way.” "Let this stand as a symbol of the gross incompetence and mismanagement of the Biden/Newsom duo,” Trump posted. “January 20th cannot come fast enough!"

Newsom’s office responded: “There is no such document as the water restoration declaration—that is pure fiction. The Governor is focused on protecting people, not playing politics, and making sure firefighters have all the resources they need.”

Trump is apparently claiming that water that could be used to fight the fires has been diverted to protect the endangered Delta smelt. But the water systems in California are complicated, and importing water from northern California would make no difference for the wildfires.

Los Angeles water doesn’t come from northern California. It comes from an aqueduct east of the Sierra Nevada, from groundwater, and from the Colorado River. Right now, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has more water stored than it has ever had before, according to Mark Gold, a board member. “It’s not a matter of having enough water coming from Northern California to put out a fire,” he told Alastair Bland of CalMatters. “It’s about the continued devastating impacts of a changing climate.”

Hydroclimatologist Peter Gleick told Taryn Luna, Liam Dillon, and Alex Wigglesworth of the Los Angeles Times that Trump’s linking of water policy to the raging fires was “blatantly false, irresponsible and politically self-serving.”

The two different responses of the current president and the incoming one reveal dramatically different approaches to the presidency."

January 8, 2024

At least four wildfires tearing across Los Angeles have killed at least five people and forced the evacuation of at least 130,000 more, and have flattened about 42 square miles (109 square kilometers).

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

You look at process and I look at results! Do you think that the liberal leaders in California did a good job of preparation for the possibilities of a situation they are experiencing now?

 

[dpic73]

You look at process and I look at results! Do you think that the liberal leaders in California did a good job of preparation for the possibilities of a situation they are experiencing now?

Bill, you're not rational because you're hell-bent on making this political.

If you looked at my posts this morning you will see that the fire department's budget was increased by $50 million, the water holding facilities were at their highest level since 1979 and they brought in the National Guard, tankers, helicopters and even Canadian fire teams to assist. No matter what you do, Mother Nature can find a way to destroy your best laid plans, just like she does in red-state Florida every year.

What should he have done - require that every home and business be sheathed in asbestos with a ten foot moat circling every property?

And don't talk to me about results when Democrats have been telling you for decades that if we didn't take stronger action on climate change, this would be the result.

They prepared as best they could but this time Mother Nature said hold my beer and she won.

Have some damn sympathy instead of constantly trying to destroy people your president doesn't like.

 

[DW4_2016]

That x post represented the on the ground viewpoint of a citizen of California. You do not live there. You just like to run your yap. I am right much more than you. LOL!! Dont be a hater because I am right more than you bro.

As someone who is also on the ground you’re wrong

 

[DW4_2016]

You look at process and I look at results! Do you think that the liberal leaders in California did a good job of preparation for the possibilities of a situation they are experiencing now?

Do you think conservative leaders in Texas do a good job preparing their residents for the inevitable cold snap that forces grannies to pay million dollar electric bills or die?

 

[DW4_2016]

dpic73, even you know that your post above is total BS!! Preparation for potential incidents like is going on in California is what MAGA folks are talking about. There was no preparation and in fact there were things done by the "know nothing" libs that enhanced the possibility of a catastrophe like is happening there now. Guess who will be on the hook for the cost of this disaster in the end? Total incompetence by the liberal elites in charge of California!

There was no preparation? How retarded can you be? Impressive even for this forum.

 

[moradatiger70]

This is just part of what I am referring to and our company is helping with. Just think this is purified drinking water. It would be much less expensive and feasible to use this same principle for irrigation/fire water.

Leadership at the top for funding is a HUGE issue!

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[hopefultiger13]

Interesting thread for sure but kind of pointless when viewed through a political point of view.

Personally, I've no idea whether the folks in charge of the LA fires are doing a good job or did a good job in prepping for it. I seriously doubt that anyone in this thread actually knows this either.

I think there's lots of folks that started off with the attitude that they didn't like the Democrats in California and this was an opportunity to say they they sucked because of <insert reason here>. You don't have to look far to see the opposite was true in Texas with their power problems. Lots of folks don't particularly like the folks that run Texas (and honestly, that includes me) and their power trouble was an opportunity to say they sucked because of <insert reason here>.

Anyway, the only reason I was in this thread was because the entire reason that the thread was started was a post that the Governor hadn't even activated the NG yet and that the Dems sucked. That was not the case. There's been other examples in this thread of the same things that turned out not to be true either, like the storage tanks not having any water when in fact they were full or the fire budget being cut when it wasn't.

From what I can see from local media, there were some problems with fire hydrants in the pacific palisades going dry. This was apparently b/c the water storage in this area had been depleted (3 tanks that each held 1 million gallons of water), and the city did not have the infrastructure to pump enough water up there to meet the firefighting demands, once the reserve tanks were dry. The result was low water pressure and the hydrants not delivering the water needed.

Now is this somehow a sign of people being asleep at the switch? IMHO, maybe. After all, why wasn't there MORE water stored up there if this was possible? Why weren't there 4 tanks... 6, 10, 100, 1000 tanks? Well the obvious answer is that the taxpayers are paying for those tanks and the upkeep and the infrastructure associated with them. At some point a decision was made that the amount of resources put into this was "enough". Obviously, it wasn't in this case.

But just like Texas during their cold snap... The power grid wasn't good enough to support demand during that event. But again, the resources that support having enough reserve power generation during peek events isn't free. At some point a decision was made that the amount of resources put into this was "enough". Obviously, it wasn't in that case.

I don't know that those choices made the people in charge wrong. You can't fund everything. You have to decide what amount of risk is acceptable vs the amount of money you have.