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BREAKING: The LA Times, the largest news site in California, just released an article confirming that President Trump's orders are entirely responsible for the massive new water flow into Californian cities.

- The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers abruptly increased the amount of water flowing from two California dams.
- After President Trump signed an order calling for increased water deliveries.
- Local water managers, who were caught off-guard by the decision, said they convinced Army Corps officials to release less water than originally planned.
☝️In other words, Democrat leaders in California deliberately screwed the people over.

The next time you Liberal Californians turn on your showers or drink water, please take a moment to thank God for giving you Trump to undo the damage the Democrats have done to your state.
 
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🇺🇸TRUMP UNLEASHES CALIFORNIA’S WATER—BIDEN AND NEWSOM LET WILDFIRES BURN!

For years, California suffered from artificial droughts and raging wildfires, while Biden and Newsom ignored obvious solutions—more WATER. Now, Trump has stepped in, ordering the Army Corps of Engineers to open the floodgates at Lake Kaweah and Lake Success, sending billions of gallons downstream.

Trump declared: “I just opened the water in California.” Meanwhile, California Democrats are panicking, with Sen. Alex Padilla demanding answers, and Newsom scrambling to manage storm runoff instead of celebrating a massive win for farms and fire prevention.

Biden’s drought mismanagement and environmental restrictions left forests dry as tinder, fueling deadly wildfires year after year. Trump’s action could prevent the next catastrophe—but instead of thanking him, California officials tried to slow the water release!

Farmers win. Firefighters win. Californians win. The only ones losing? The bureaucrats who kept this crisis going for years.

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🇺🇸TRUMP UNLEASHES CALIFORNIA’S WATER—BIDEN AND NEWSOM LET WILDFIRES BURN!

For years, California suffered from artificial droughts and raging wildfires, while Biden and Newsom ignored obvious solutions—more WATER. Now, Trump has stepped in, ordering the Army Corps of Engineers to open the floodgates at Lake Kaweah and Lake Success, sending billions of gallons downstream.

Trump declared: “I just opened the water in California.” Meanwhile, California Democrats are panicking, with Sen. Alex Padilla demanding answers, and Newsom scrambling to manage storm runoff instead of celebrating a massive win for farms and fire prevention.

Biden’s drought mismanagement and environmental restrictions left forests dry as tinder, fueling deadly wildfires year after year. Trump’s action could prevent the next catastrophe—but instead of thanking him, California officials tried to slow the water release!

Farmers win. Firefighters win. Californians win. The only ones losing? The bureaucrats who kept this crisis going for years.

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This is so fvcking stupid

- That water will not make it to Southern California
- This is winter and farmers will need this water in August, not January
- They were going to release it with no warning for those downstream that might have had farm equipment near the banks or people camping beside it.
- These types of releases are normally coordinated with state and local officials but not this time and when they caught wind of it they were alarmed and asked him to hold off a day
- This water will be wasted
- Donald Trump is the dumbest and most dangerous mfer ever to hold office



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This is so fvcking stupid

- That water will not make it to Southern California
- This is winter and farmers will need this water in August, not January
- They were going to release it with no warning for those downstream that might have had farm equipment near the banks or people camping beside it.
- These types of releases are normally coordinated with state and local officials but not this time and when they caught wind of it they were alarmed and asked him to hold off a day
- This water will be wasted
- Donald Trump is the dumbest and most dangerous mfer ever to hold office

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Lame excuses. Trump is winning.
 
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Yeah, the LA Times was never really objective even before this, but I am interested to see how this all plays out as the year goes by. We’re getting an atmospheric river this weekend, so that will help the snow pack, as we had fallen a little behind.

As I’ve mentioned, unlike electricity in CA, where the bulk of the generation, transmission & distribution is in the hands of Southern California Edison, Pacific Gas & Electric, San Diego Gas & Electric, LA Dept. of Water & Power, and SMUD (Sacramento Municipal Utility District), the water utility side is a multitude of fragmented little fiefdoms struggling to maintain their precious control. I’ve interviewed with some of them over the years…the pearl-clutching was amusing. It’s part of what unnecessarily complicates CA water. Also, you have disconnects between USACE (their true acronym), the Bureau of Reclamation—both Federal—and the State Water Project.

Should be fascinating once the rains stop, the snow melts and August gets here.

I will say that I’ve seen some nasty droughts out here. Still remember heading to an annual policy conference at Squaw Valley in 2014 and as I’m driving along Hwy. 89, I can see the Truckee River (a very large alpine River) with completely dry stretches. It was stunning to me…just never saw that growing up back east. Never. The feast/famine of CA water isn’t new…I’ve fly fished smaller creeks like the one that feeds Convict Lake in Mammoth, that I’ve seen completely dry up in some years; other years, it’s full of wild rainbows.
 
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Suck on this.



The water is flowing in California. These once empty “halfpipes” are now brimming with beautiful, clean water, and heading to farmers throughout the State, and to Los Angeles. Too bad they refused to do this during my First Term - There would have been no fires! I want to thank our Great Military, and the Army Corps of Engineers, for their LOVE of our Country, and SPEED in getting this Emergency DONE!

Donald Trump Truth Social Post 06:31 PM EST 02/02/25
 
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“There would have been no fires.” Yeah. Ok.

Tell me one more time how you’re making the colossal leap from more water availability to prevention of wildfires sparked by aging electric utility infrastructure arcing on dry San Gabriel mountainsides.

Let’s pretend that I don’t know shit about either subject; I’ll hang up and listen.

Potential for less damage? Faster control of the fire perimeter? Yea, I can agree with that, in principle.
 
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“There would have been no fires.” Yeah. Ok.

Tell me one more time how you’re making the colossal leap from more water availability to prevention of wildfires sparked by aging electric utility infrastructure arcing on dry San Gabriel mountainsides.

Let’s pretend that I don’t know shit about either subject; I’ll hang up and listen.

Potential for less damage? Faster control of the fire perimeter? Yea, I can agree with that, in principle.
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I can agree with that part. Trump loves to talk sh1t of course and stretch statements to the limit.
 
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Suck on this.

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The water is flowing in California. These once empty “halfpipes” are now brimming with beautiful, clean water, and heading to farmers throughout the State, and to Los Angeles. Too bad they refused to do this during my First Term - There would have been no fires! I want to thank our Great Military, and the Army Corps of Engineers, for their LOVE of our Country, and SPEED in getting this Emergency DONE!

Donald Trump Truth Social Post 06:31 PM EST 02/02/25
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Can you remind me why wasting all this water that will be needed in the summer is a good thing? And while you're at it, explain why farmers need it in the dead of winter and how it will make it to Los Angeles since it can't be captured.
 
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🚨CORRUPTION IN CALIFORNIA🚨

This is Steve Soboroff.

He has just been named the “Recovery Czar” for the fires in the Palisades that ravaged Los Angeles.

He is going to be paid $500,000 over the next three months, and that money is coming from charities that were set up to help fire victims.

The corrupt, communist Democrat Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass appointed Soboroff.

Talk about political corruption. Why does he need to be paid nearly $167,000 PER MONTH for 3 MONTHS to “consult” the Mayor of LA on how to rebuild?

@MayorOfLA
 
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Sorry for late reply; just now saw this.

Not sure. Will have to research. This much I know first-hand…some of the smaller hydroelectric dams in the Sierra foothills (both the west side and the east side) are nearing the end of their “useful lives”, so to speak. PG&E and SCE have to decide whether they want to divest of them or go through the permit renewal process. To no one’s surprise, Environmental NGO’s see this as an opportunity to push for removal of the dams. If that pic is accurate, I can already see a fish ladder, so that means it is likely to be argued that its removal will enhance native fish populations.

I know some of ours in the Bishop Creek drainage need some significant upgrades as they are pretty old. Not just technology upgrades, but structural upgrades in the form of concrete injection & replacements.
 
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Hmm. The State Water Board meets twice a month and is actually meeting this morning. When he says “yesterday”, some greater specificity would be nice to see in these kinds of posts so I could ground-truth some of this.

Emergency regs, by law, can only last one year without an hearing/vote to extend them and I don’t see anything on today’s agenda or the agendas from February. Last restrictions were passed in 2022 and expired. I did see at least one “Closed Session” (on the last agenda) where discussions/decisions are not open to the public, so it may have been done during that.

Edit: Found the briefing materials. These two rivers have, in recent history, had critically low flows causing fish die offs, so I can appreciate getting ahead of the curve on the Emergency Regs. Staff Presentation
I’ll also add that the Agricultural Lobby is very strong in California, only second to the Teachers Union & maybe the Oil Industry. The archaic water laws in California result in a lot of arrogance from Agriculture. I know; I’ve been in meetings with them trying to build consensus on changes to environmental regulations that would benefit all. You know, basic stuff like how about you have a water meter to track how much you’re pumping (in reality, over pumping) from the groundwater basin you’re in? “I have rights! That’s my water and I’ll pump as much as I want.” Ok dumbass, let me know when you have to re-drill your well because your pump has run dry from over extraction. After a while, you become tone deaf to their incessant whining.
 
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Hmm. The State Water Board meets twice a month and is actually meeting this morning. When he says “yesterday”, some greater specificity would be nice to see in these kinds of posts so I could ground-truth some of this.

Emergency regs, by law, can only last one year without an hearing/vote to extend them and I don’t see anything on today’s agenda or the agendas from February. Last restrictions were passed in 2022 and expired. I did see at least one “Closed Session” (on the last agenda) where discussions/decisions are not open to the public, so it may have been done during that.

Edit: Found the briefing materials. These two rivers have, in recent history, had critically low flows causing fish die offs, so I can appreciate getting ahead of the curve on the Emergency Regs. Staff Presentation
I’ll also add that the Agricultural Lobby is very strong in California, only second to the Teachers Union & maybe the Oil Industry. The archaic water laws in California result in a lot of arrogance from Agriculture. I know; I’ve been in meetings with them trying to build consensus on changes to environmental regulations that would benefit all. You know, basic stuff like how about you have a water meter to track how much you’re pumping (in reality, over pumping) from the groundwater basin you’re in? “I have rights! That’s my water and I’ll pump as much as I want.” Ok dumbass, let me know when you have to re-drill your well because your pump has run dry from over extraction. After a while, you become tone deaf to their incessant whining.
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I ask because you are there. What’s the deal with not giving folks permits? We can debate the infrastructure and mismanagement of the state all day but the people want to move on and rebuild. Why is the state not allowing these people to move forward. Second question is what would happen if these people ignored the fact they didn’t get a permit and started removing debris and rebuilding, is that a fine or an arrest? Thx.

Only 4 Permits have been issued 75 days after the Los Angeles, California wildfires burned 6,000+ homes in Pacific Palisades

“City Council Committee hearing — The Department of Building and Safety told the committee so far it has approved just 4 permits. Council member Tracy Park, who represents the Palisades says that's not acceptable.”
 
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I ask because you are there. What’s the deal with not giving folks permits? We can debate the infrastructure and mismanagement of the state all day but the people want to move on and rebuild. Why is the state not allowing these people to move forward. Second question is what would happen if these people ignored the fact they didn’t get a permit and started removing debris and rebuilding, is that a fine or an arrest? Thx.

Only 4 Permits have been issued 75 days after the Los Angeles, California wildfires burned 6,000+ homes in Pacific Palisades

“City Council Committee hearing — The Department of Building and Safety told the committee so far it has approved just 4 permits. Council member Tracy Park, who represents the Palisades says that's not acceptable.”
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Good questions. Not to be cynical, but having spent my career in the environmental field, I’m not surprised that only a handful of building permits have been granted. I’ve worked in many states from SC to CA…but no place is as difficult to obtain permits for anything, than CA. The scrutiny they apply to permit applications, whether real or imagined, is a source of pride. May sound corny, but I’ve seen it first hand too many times. Irrespective of anyone’s view of CA, know that they take pride in leading regulations. Here’s an example…you know the Clean Water Act? Landmark federal environmental reg, right? Yeah, guess what? It was patterned after and passed 3 years AFTER California’s Porter-Cologne Water Quality Act of 1969.

My take? Much of Pacific Palisades should never have been built on. It’s geologically unstable. This is one way to “thin the population” in that area. It’s a slower version of Eminent Domain. As I type this, I’m sitting in San Clemente (MIL’s house) in an old development called ShoreCliffs. Probably less than 1000’ feet to my NE is a slide area that took out several houses…again, permitted houses on land that shouldn’t have been allowed.

Something else to consider? Pacific Palisades is “rich people”—like it or not, the sympathy factor only goes so far. Eaton Canyon, where I volunteered for 15 years & was a weekend docent? Yeah, way, way different socioeconomically.

Yes, to your second question. I don’t have the statutes in front of me, but they likely call for fines up to imprisonment if you defy a cease & desist order. Not sure how the Building Permit works specifically, but it’s likely a progressive type of penalty up to some threshold value, leading to a cease & desist.
 
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Good questions. Not to be cynical, but having spent my career in the environmental field, I’m not surprised that only a handful of building permits have been granted. I’ve worked in many states from SC to CA…but no place is as difficult to obtain permits for anything, than CA. The scrutiny they apply to permit applications, whether real or imagined, is a source of pride. May sound corny, but I’ve seen it first hand too many times. Irrespective of anyone’s view of CA, know that they take pride in leading regulations. Here’s an example…you know the Clean Water Act? Landmark federal environmental reg, right? Yeah, guess what? It was patterned after and passed 3 years AFTER California’s Porter-Cologne Water Quality Act of 1969.

My take? Much of Pacific Palisades should never have been built on. It’s geologically unstable. This is one way to “thin the population” in that area. It’s a slower version of Eminent Domain. As I type this, I’m sitting in San Clemente (MIL’s house) in an old development called ShoreCliffs. Probably less than 1000’ feet to my NE is a slide area that took out several houses…again, permitted houses on land that shouldn’t have been allowed.

Something else to consider? Pacific Palisades is “rich people”—like it or not, the sympathy factor only goes so far. Eaton Canyon, where I volunteered for 15 years & was a weekend docent? Yeah, way, way different socioeconomically.

Yes, to your second question. I don’t have the statutes in front of me, but they likely call for fines up to imprisonment if you defy a cease & desist order. Not sure how the Building Permit works specifically, but it’s likely a progressive type of penalty up to some threshold value, leading to a cease & desist.
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Thank you for your thorough response. That’s a great perspective and I appreciate it! How much responsibility can be put on the state for running out of water. Seems like a simple thing, to have the towers filled but I also know there’s got to be a lot more to that. Any input on that?
 
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Thank you for your thorough response. That’s a great perspective and I appreciate it! How much responsibility can be put on the state for running out of water. Seems like a simple thing, to have the towers filled but I also know there’s got to be a lot more to that. Any input on that?
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I’m sure that it probably doesn’t seem like it to those in other states, but since we moved back in 2005 (I was on assignment with Fluor at then-HQ in OC from late ‘95 to March ‘97), the state has moved to make itself more drought resilient. One of many issues that creates a hurdle to that is the legacy aerospace contamination of aquifers/groundwater storage basins. Chlorinated solvents and perchlorate contamination mostly ( as opposed to nitrate contamination from over-application of fertilizer in the Central Valley). There’s been more of a push to utilize these “local” subsurface storage options, so that helps. Personally, we need some more dams, as well. We still don’t capture as much as we should when it does rain.

Bottom line? Too much agriculture & too many people in a place (Southern California) that doesn’t get enough precipitation. Same is true for Phoenix & Lost Wages.
 
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I ask because you are there. What’s the deal with not giving folks permits? We can debate the infrastructure and mismanagement of the state all day but the people want to move on and rebuild. Why is the state not allowing these people to move forward. Second question is what would happen if these people ignored the fact they didn’t get a permit and started removing debris and rebuilding, is that a fine or an arrest? Thx.

Only 4 Permits have been issued 75 days after the Los Angeles, California wildfires burned 6,000+ homes in Pacific Palisades

“City Council Committee hearing — The Department of Building and Safety told the committee so far it has approved just 4 permits. Council member Tracy Park, who represents the Palisades says that's not acceptable.”
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The other thing to consider, which wife and i are currently waiting for, is IH testing on anything that is burned on the property to figure out what it is. Most of these houses built in the 40's 50's 60's and 70's had some less that scrupulous materials. Those materials are now ash in the houses that still stand and, snow on the sites where houses once were. To make sure we're taking the proper precautions they have to complete sampling and testing which will still take another month or two most likely.
 
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The other thing to consider, which wife and i are currently waiting for, is IH testing on anything that is burned on the property to figure out what it is. Most of these houses built in the 40's 50's 60's and 70's had some less that scrupulous materials. Those materials are now ash in the houses that still stand and, snow on the sites where houses once were. To make sure we're taking the proper precautions they have to complete sampling and testing which will still take another month or two most likely.
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Yeah, there’s a lot to unpack regarding what may/may not be in that ash. Lead, asbestos, mercury, hex chrome, PCBs from at least two sources I can think of…volatile organics are about the only thing that would have “burned off”. Not unlike decommmissioning a power plant…

Differences of opinion aside, I’m glad you're erring on the side of caution and genuinely sorry that you & your wife have to deal with all of this.
 
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