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I’ll say their name. Gang violenceI gotta tell you, I’d be able to take the Republican talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 632 mass shootings in America last year. You are far, far more likely to be killed by an American citizen with a gun than you are to be killed by an illegal immigrant at all. Over 100 Americans die every day from gun violence. Say their names.
I gotta tell you, I’d be able to take the Republican talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 632 mass shootings in America last year. You are far, far more likely to be killed by an American citizen with a gun than you are to be killed by an illegal immigrant at all. Over 100 Americans die every day from gun violence. Say their names.
Do you ever do any homework before you form an opinion?Gang and drug violence is an awful thing for sure. Responsible for the vast majority of the 632 shootings you reference. Most committed by minorities, against minorities. We should definitely do something about that.
Do you ever do any homework before you form an opinion?
Mass shootings by shooter’s race in the U.S. 2024 | Statista
Between 1982 and June 2024, 81 out of the 150 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters.www.statista.com
Strict national gun laws.Gang and drug violence is an awful thing for sure. Responsible for the vast majority of the 632 shootings you reference. Most committed by minorities, against minorities. We should definitely do something about that.
Do you?
From your link: Between 1982 and December 2023, 80 out of the 149 mass shootings...
@dbjork6317 referenced 632 in the US last year, which likely uses this definition:
U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”
Using the stats and implied definition in the post I referenced, my post is accurate.
You stated that most mass shootings were committed by minorities against minorities. I showed you statistics that highlighted that was wrong. Then you reply without any data or statistics saying you are accurate.
You are throwing out assumptions with no evidence. “Vast majority are gang and drug related” and “most by minorities against minorities” yet have provided no evidence to support this.You replied with a totally different statistic than what I was replying to. 632 in one year vs 149 across 40 years.
Not hard to extrapolate the answer here when many of those are gang and drug related, and when the FBI gives us simple statistics like 51.2% of murders are committed by AAs, not to mention other minorities. Then adjust for per capita and well...
You are throwing out assumptions with no evidence. “Vast majority are gang and drug related” and “most by minorities against minorities” yet have provided no evidence to support this.
You reply with a 2019 statistic about arrests for murder and non-negligent homicide which is not shootings. Nor does it indicate minority on minority crime. Or that it drug or gang related.
If you wanted to argue that violent crimes are more prevalent in Black communities I would agree with you. We would disagree on the reason as I have provided studies that show crime is linked to poverty whereas you say it is “culture” and provide no research to support.
You are throwing out assumptions with no evidence. “Vast majority are gang and drug related” and “most by minorities against minorities” yet have provided no evidence to support this.
You reply with a 2019 statistic about arrests for murder and non-negligent homicide which is not shootings. Nor does it indicate minority on minority crime. Or that it drug or gang related.
If you wanted to argue that violent crimes are more prevalent in Black communities I would agree with you. We would disagree on the reason as I have provided studies that show crime is linked to poverty whereas you say it is “culture” and provide no research to support.
I never disagreed with minority on minority crime. I believe that is due to most communities being segregated. What I’m challenging are your two original statements that the vast majority of shootings is gang and drug related, as well as most bing minority on minority. I have provided data saying that is not true and that actually whites are the leading race for mass shootings.And here are your stats on minority on minority crime. I don't want to keep going down this road, but the stats are obvious.
I never disagreed with minority on minority crime. I believe that is due to most communities being segregated. What I’m challenging are your two original statements that the vast majority of shootings is gang and drug related, as well as most bing minority on minority. I have provided data saying that is not true and that actually whites are the leading race for mass shootings.
I assume that is a difference in the definition of mass shooting. One may be two or more people. The source I cited was 4 or more people shot.Perhaps @dbjork6317 can cite his source on the 632 mass shootings. Because your citation referenced 149 across 41 years, or 3.6 per year. Off by a factor of 176X. So we're clearly talking about different things.
I assume that is a difference in the definition of mass shooting. One may be two or more people. The source I cited was 4 or more people shot.
But that still doesn’t address your statements that the vast majority are drug/gang related and most are minority on minority. If you want to retract your statement, I would respect the humility in doing so.
You are wagering without any evidence. And yes, you were responding to a statistic that includes school shooters. The original post referenced mass shootings, which include school shooters. See below.Using whatever definition arrives at 632 per year, I would wager my statements are correct.
I'm not disputing that more school shooters, etc were white. But that's not the statistic I was responding to.
I gotta tell you, I’d be able to take the Republican talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 632 mass shootings in America last year.
You are wagering without any evidence. And yes, you were responding to a statistic that includes school shooters. The original post referenced mass shootings, which include school shooters. See below.
I gotta tell you, I’d be able to take the Democrat talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 112,000 fentanyl deaths in America last year. You are far, far more likely to be killed by fentanyl than in a mass shooting. Over 306 Americans die every day from fentanyl. Say their namesI gotta tell you, I’d be able to take the Republican talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 632 mass shootings in America last year. You are far, far more likely to be killed by an American citizen with a gun than you are to be killed by an illegal immigrant at all. Over 100 Americans die every day from gun violence. Say their names.
Who's more likely to promote public access to Narcan? Your garden variety Democrat or your garden variety Republican?I gotta tell you, I’d be able to take the Democrat talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 112,000 fentanyl deaths in America last year. You are far, far more likely to be killed by fentanyl than in a mass shooting. Over 306 Americans die every day from fentanyl. Say their names
Interesting to note that those stats indicate AA's are much more likely to be mass shooters than white's.Do you ever do any homework before you form an opinion?
Mass shootings by shooter’s race in the U.S. 2024 | Statista
Between 1982 and June 2024, 81 out of the 150 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters.www.statista.com
If poverty is the driving force in crime and AA culture/community is not a driving factor, how can you possibly explain the fact that the latino community has a much smaller % representation in violent crime stats even though they share similar socioeconomic status?You are throwing out assumptions with no evidence. “Vast majority are gang and drug related” and “most by minorities against minorities” yet have provided no evidence to support this.
You reply with a 2019 statistic about arrests for murder and non-negligent homicide which is not shootings. Nor does it indicate minority on minority crime. Or that it drug or gang related.
If you wanted to argue that violent crimes are more prevalent in Black communities I would agree with you. We would disagree on the reason as I have provided studies that show crime is linked to poverty whereas you say it is “culture” and provide no research to support.
I full understand the conversation. You are bouncing around from different arguments and data sets. I provided the data on mass shootings by race. If you have a better data set, then show it. If not, then this is what we have to base the argument on.I don't know how you aren't understanding this. Your stat was on the few school-type shootings per year (3.6 average). @dbjork6317 was making a point about the prevalence of "mass shootings," which included far more than that (176 times more per year). My comment was in reference to that stat, not yours, and not exclusive to Columbines. You can try to disprove it if you wish, but I doubt you will. I have other things to do with my day.
I full understand the conversation. You are bouncing around from different arguments and data sets. I provided the data on mass shootings by race. If you have a better data set, then show it. If not, then this is what we have to base the argument on.
I do not know @dbjork6317 ’s source, so can’t reference that.
This discussion has centered on your statement that the vast majority of mass shootings are gang/drug, though you have provided zero evidence. Then you said most mass shootings were minority on minority and provided zero evidence. I provided evidence that that wasn’t true, and you continue to move the goalposts.
I gotta tell you, I’d be able to take the Democrat talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 112,000 fentanyl deaths in America last year. You are far, far more likely to be killed by fentanyl than in a mass shooting. Over 306 Americans die every day from fentanyl. Say their names
It’s only exhausting because you keep dodging your original narrative. Not my problem!I didn't move the goalposts - they were always set on the 632 figure. You provided zero evidence that my assertion wasn't true using that data as the anchor point, but rather jumped to an unrelated data set.
Heck, even your data says AAs are more likely that white people to be mass shooters (which I wasn't even trying to assert in reference to things like school shootings). 13% responsible for 17.4% (more shootings than population) vs. ~60% responsible for 53.7% (less shootings than population). I don't care about that, but let's not pretend that white people are somehow more diabolical than anyone else.
You're exhausting dude. If you need anything else, you can research it on your own.
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And let's not forget the funds allocated to advanced technology to detect fentanyl in the border bill that was voted down.
I'm only addressing your quote "I’d be able to take the Democrat talking points about safety/violence etc a lot more seriously if they gave one single shit about the 112,000 fentanyl deaths in America last year."The house passed a bill last may that had even more funding to get control of the border. Sadly, it died in the democrat senate.
What do you believe those “other factors” are and how do you think we could solve for them?I haven't disagreed that it's correlated to poverty. But poverty rates alone don't make up the massive statistical gap in violent crime per capita. So there are other factors at play.
A very large factor is whatever is being valued in the AA community. There are multiple possible culprits there, but I suspect lack of education and lack of two parent homes are the main ones.What do you believe those “other factors” are and how do you think we could solve for them?
He still didn't. The dumbass said Lincoln Riley.
Gang and drug violence is an awful thing for sure. Responsible for the vast majority of the 632 shootings you reference. Most committed by minorities, against minorities. We should definitely do something about that.
He still didn't. The dumbass said Lincoln Riley.
Strict national gun laws.