Let's Discuss the Origins of Conspiracy Theories

[SconnyTiger25]

According to this peer reviewed Dr. it was the CIA, according to snopes this is a lie. So, do we believe the peer reviewed doctor specializing in politics or the snopes.com people who we have no idea as to their credentials and typically utilize left leaning articles to prove their fact checks?

Honest questions and some people who care more than we do have taken the time to explain these things if we care to listen.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Who is the House of Wettin? To understand the present you must understand the past.

House of Wettin (geni.com)

 

[SconnyTiger25]

You may want to do some digging on the following... before you start believing that I am the conspiracy theorist.

www.glamiscalling.org

Lady Somerset Belanoff

Bloody Rise to Power - Somerset Belenoff-Illuminati Queen (whoissomersetbelenoff.com)

 

[TheValley91]

How about we don't and say we did lil fella.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

How about we don't and say we did lil fella.

That's fine, don't do it then, all you internet tough guys think you know so much, you don't know shvt. At least I attempt to learn from other people even if I don't agree. Further pussification of America when you shut people down instead of looking for the truth.

 

[TheValley91]

That's fine, don't do it then, all you internet tough guys think you know so much, you don't know shvt. At least I attempt to learn from other people even if I don't agree. Further pussification of America when you shut people down instead of looking for the truth.

Someone is easily rustled I see.

 

[okclem]

OP will you indulge a question of mine? In your opinion, why has there never been a conspiracy theory about the attempted assassination of Reagan?

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Someone is easily rustled I see.

I hope so, I do like it when it gets rustled with

 

[SconnyTiger25]

OP will you indulge a question of mine? In your opinion, why has there never been a conspiracy theory about the attempted assassination of Reagan?

Why don’t you tell me since you are so smart, I’ll hang up and listen

 

[iceheart08]

According to this peer reviewed Dr. it was the CIA, according to snopes this is a lie. So, do we believe the peer reviewed doctor specializing in politics or the snopes.com people who we have no idea as to their credentials and typically utilize left leaning articles to prove their fact checks?

Honest questions and some people who care more than we do have taken the time to explain these things if we care to listen.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org

Out of curiosity, why does this matter at all?

 

[acwill07]

That's fine, don't do it then, all you internet tough guys think you know so much, you don't know shvt. At least I attempt to learn from other people even if I don't agree. Further pussification of America when you shut people down instead of looking for the truth.

Yep you read everything and believe everything. You’re the quintessential conspiracy theorists....you want to believe things, so you do.

 

[DaTater]

There was a long thread about conspiracy theories that took a couple turns and chased a few rabbits. started by a handsome dude. Sadly the Penny stock thread overtook it as the longest non sports related thread.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Out of curiosity, why does this matter at all?

Because you use conspiracy label for everything that does not fit in your little boxes. Truth is not always where you can see it and I’m tired of having to educate you tarheads that everything is not as it seems. Run through the Covid timeline over and over and what GeoPolitical events have taken place since. Some weird sh..it, unexplainable with Occams Razor, and I staunchly believe there is explanations. The folks who allow themselves to believe in the unseen are labeled and these are the folks we should be listening to, because they know something the average bear doesn’t.

that’s why, people allow their ignorance to the unexplainable, too difficult to understand that some things just cannot be explained by facts. Or the facts have been erased over time, ie book burning and religious witch hunts. Do we really think the supernatural just disappeared?

 

[jakefest]

The CIA and the military use conspiracy and reverse propaganda in just about every US lead foreign conflict, coup or government disruption we participate in. It’s a valuable tool to soften the opposition by creating divide amongst the people, confusion and distrust. See Iraq, see Afghanistan, see Bosnia/Balkans, etc etc. We have people on the ground months before we ever drop a bomb in most circumstances.

The reason we are seeing these crazy ideas spread through the masses now vs say the late 90’s/early 2000’s is the ease of access to information. A published statement on Twitter, FB, a news source, etc gets shipped to millions of screens in milliseconds. The internet has become the nuclear warhead of disinformation, often without the ability to pinpoint the actual source or at least a credible one.

It’s feasible that something like Q’anon could have been the creation of a clandestine org to create divide and distraction (Trojan horse). Just look at the outcome.......if you’re openly a Trump voter/supporter, you’re now lumped in with far right extremism, Q, white supremacy, etc etc which is largely true on this board. So if the idea was to use something like Q to label or disenfranchise an entire pool of voters in efforts to make them less relevant or shunned to flip the more central leaning conservatives to blue votes, then mission accomplished. I’m not suggesting that’s what happened but you can’t ever underestimate the power of a CIA, NSA or even the state department.

Also worth mentioning the far right would be an easy target as they are equally, if not more anti-government than the extreme far left.

 

[okclem]

Why don’t you tell me since you are so smart, I’ll hang up and listen

Just humor me. It all ties into the title of your thread.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Just humor me. It all ties into the title of your thread.

I’ve humored and laughed, neither makes a difference. You’re lazy it’s ok, love ya mean it

 

[okclem]

I’ve humored and laughed, neither makes a difference. You’re lazy it’s ok, love ya mean it

Okay, sorry you aren't interested in having your question answered.

 

[firegiver]

According to this peer reviewed Dr. it was the CIA, according to snopes this is a lie. So, do we believe the peer reviewed doctor specializing in politics or the snopes.com people who we have no idea as to their credentials and typically utilize left leaning articles to prove their fact checks?

Honest questions and some people who care more than we do have taken the time to explain these things if we care to listen.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org

So you read Paul Craig Roberts? What are your thoughts on his theories about the Holocaust?

 

[SconnyTiger25]

So you read Paul Craig Roberts? What are your thoughts on his theories about the Holocaust?

You mean this guy?

9/11: Finally the Truth Comes Out?

Every informed person is aware that elements of the US government were involved either in the perpetration or a coverup of the 9/11 attacks.

www.foreignpolicyjournal.com

From his credentials he doesn’t seem like much of a conspiracy theorist, but from someone that is an economist and former under secretary, he likely has some pretty good insight

 

[firegiver]

You mean this guy?

9/11: Finally the Truth Comes Out?

Every informed person is aware that elements of the US government were involved either in the perpetration or a coverup of the 9/11 attacks.

www.foreignpolicyjournal.com

From his credentials he doesn’t seem like much of a conspiracy theorist, but from someone that is an economist and former under secretary, he likely has some pretty good insight

Yah I mean the guy who's article you posted at the start of the thread. I'm asking you what you think of his holocaust theories, since now you've double downed with 2 articles from him.
I suppose you know he's a holocaust denier?

 

[HumasButthole]

The CIA and the military use conspiracy and reverse propaganda in just about every US lead foreign conflict, coup or government disruption we participate in. It’s a valuable tool to soften the opposition by creating divide amongst the people, confusion and distrust. See Iraq, see Afghanistan, see Bosnia/Balkans, etc etc. We have people on the ground months before we ever drop a bomb in most circumstances.

The reason we are seeing these crazy ideas spread through the masses now vs say the late 90’s/early 2000’s is the ease of access to information. A published statement on Twitter, FB, a news source, etc gets shipped to millions of screens in milliseconds. The internet has become the nuclear warhead of disinformation, often without the ability to pinpoint the actual source or at least a credible one.

It’s feasible that something like Q’anon could have been the creation of a clandestine org to create divide and distraction (Trojan horse). Just look at the outcome.......if you’re openly a Trump voter/supporter, you’re now lumped in with far right extremism, Q, white supremacy, etc etc which is largely true on this board. So if the idea was to use something like Q to label or disenfranchise an entire pool of voters in efforts to make them less relevant or shunned to flip the more central leaning conservatives to blue votes, then mission accomplished. I’m not suggesting that’s what happened but you can’t ever underestimate the power of a CIA, NSA or even the state department.

Also worth mentioning the far right would be an easy target as they are equally, if not more anti-government than the extreme far left.

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[firegiver]

The CIA and the military use conspiracy and reverse propaganda in just about every US lead foreign conflict, coup or government disruption we participate in. It’s a valuable tool to soften the opposition by creating divide amongst the people, confusion and distrust. See Iraq, see Afghanistan, see Bosnia/Balkans, etc etc. We have people on the ground months before we ever drop a bomb in most circumstances.

The reason we are seeing these crazy ideas spread through the masses now vs say the late 90’s/early 2000’s is the ease of access to information. A published statement on Twitter, FB, a news source, etc gets shipped to millions of screens in milliseconds. The internet has become the nuclear warhead of disinformation, often without the ability to pinpoint the actual source or at least a credible one.

It’s feasible that something like Q’anon could have been the creation of a clandestine org to create divide and distraction (Trojan horse). Just look at the outcome.......if you’re openly a Trump voter/supporter, you’re now lumped in with far right extremism, Q, white supremacy, etc etc which is largely true on this board. So if the idea was to use something like Q to label or disenfranchise an entire pool of voters in efforts to make them less relevant or shunned to flip the more central leaning conservatives to blue votes, then mission accomplished. I’m not suggesting that’s what happened but you can’t ever underestimate the power of a CIA, NSA or even the state department.

Also worth mentioning the far right would be an easy target as they are equally, if not more anti-government than the extreme far left.

Since day 1 I've said Qanon was a disinformation campaign from a foreign advisory. It may have started as a troll on 4chan but it became a weaponized radicalization effort over time. Why would anyone from USA want to radicalize people to such a degree? No, It was an effort to sow division to create as much chaos as possible and to make people question our democracy. It was very successful as something like 70% of republicans think the election was stolen. They believe unverifiable claims by Trump over what their own party leaders tell them. Its fractured republicans. I think Trump embraced it because it was flattering to him, and that super charged the effect.
China and Russia couldn't be happier with the division sowed by Qanon and its supporters.

 

[clemsontiger02]

I think Trump embraced it because it was flattering to him

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Since day 1 I've said Qanon was a disinformation campaign from a foreign advisory. It may have started as a troll on 4chan but it became a weaponized radicalization effort over time. Why would anyone from USA want to radicalize people to such a degree? No, It was an effort to sow division to create as much chaos as possible and to make people question our democracy. It was very successful as something like 70% of republicans think the election was stolen. They believe unverifiable claims by Trump over what their own party leaders tell them. Its fractured republicans. I think Trump embraced it because it was flattering to him, and that super charged the effect.
China and Russia couldn't be happier with the division sowed by Qanon and its supporters.

The Q Anon crowd came to the realization on the election same as donors like me to whom see verifiable statistical anomalies which when added up are so unlikely to be coincidences that they had to be planned.

Q Anon and Q drops were used to expose corruption, all the stuff happening today to Coumo for example was posted on Q in 2019, weird? If people actually took the time to research Q and the information they would realize it was all just a lead up to things that have happened and some which have not.

Some people seem to be more open than others is all. I think there are more on this board than will speak up also.

Check out the House of Wettin stuff I posted, that is much more interesting to me than Q

 

[firegiver]

The Q Anon crowd came to the realization on the election same as donors like me to whom see verifiable statistical anomalies which when added up are so unlikely to be coincidences that they had to be planned.

Q Anon and Q drops were used to expose corruption, all the stuff happening today to Coumo for example was posted on Q in 2019, weird? If people actually took the time to research Q and the information they would realize it was all just a lead up to things that have happened and some which have not.

Some people seem to be more open than others is all. I think there are more on this board than will speak up also.

Check out the House of Wettin stuff I posted, that is much more interesting to me than Q

You see this link you posted: The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org

Its from Paul Craig Roberts. What do you think about his holocaust denial?
Seriously, Im not moving forward discussing anything with you unless I can understand whether or not I'm dealing with an antisemite.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Since day 1 I've said Qanon was a disinformation campaign from a foreign advisory. It may have started as a troll on 4chan but it became a weaponized radicalization effort over time. Why would anyone from USA want to radicalize people to such a degree? No, It was an effort to sow division to create as much chaos as possible and to make people question our democracy. It was very successful as something like 70% of republicans think the election was stolen. They believe unverifiable claims by Trump over what their own party leaders tell them. Its fractured republicans. I think Trump embraced it because it was flattering to him, and that super charged the effect.
China and Russia couldn't be happier with the division sowed by Qanon and its supporters.

The fact that 70% of repubs think the election was stolen has very little to do with Q or the anons that keep up with it. A poll came out late last fall stating that only 24% of registered repubs polled had even heard of Q.

 

[jakefest]

Since day 1 I've said Qanon was a disinformation campaign from a foreign advisory. It may have started as a troll on 4chan but it became a weaponized radicalization effort over time. Why would anyone from USA want to radicalize people to such a degree? No, It was an effort to sow division to create as much chaos as possible and to make people question our democracy. It was very successful as something like 70% of republicans think the election was stolen. They believe unverifiable claims by Trump over what their own party leaders tell them. Its fractured republicans. I think Trump embraced it because it was flattering to him, and that super charged the effect.
China and Russia couldn't be happier with the division sowed by Qanon and its supporters.

China and Russia probably equally as happy as they watch BLM and Antifa run roughshod through America. Those two orgs seem pretty proficient at creating radical divide, no? For the record, I'm not stating that Q was the creation of the CIA or similar, I'm just pointing out that it's similar to what the US does in other countries. You can form your own opinions, same as most on here.

Also, Q didn't have anything to do with most LOGICALLY minded conservatives questioning the election. Sweeping changes to voter rules, statistical anomalies, information suppression, fake Russian collusion narratives, weeks and weeks to count and certify a state and media bias did plenty of damage to the foundation of democracy and the perceived accuracy of the vote. Not to mention, slamming through sweeping changes to voting laws right after an election isn't exactly the picture of a confident party that just won an election in a landslide. There was plenty of fuel for a fire without Q ever being a factor. That doesn't mean Biden didn't win, it just means there was enough out there to make you at least ask some questions.

Q, just like BLM and Antifa gave some fringe crazies something to believe in which many seem to need and want these days. Keep this in mind, the CIA, the NSA and FBI are three incredibly powerful organizations with very little operational oversight where the CIA and NSA are concerned. They could have shut Q down at any point if they had serious concerns over the power and disinformation it was generating but they didn't. Why not? Q wasn't started or found post election, it existed before.

 

[TheValley91]

China and Russia probably equally as happy as they watch BLM and Antifa run roughshod through America. Those two orgs seem pretty proficient at creating radical divide, no? For the record, I'm not stating that Q was the creation of the CIA or similar, I'm just pointing out that it's similar to what the US does in other countries. You can form your own opinions, same as most on here.

Also, Q didn't have anything to do with most LOGICALLY minded conservatives questioning the election. Sweeping changes to voter rules, statistical anomalies, information suppression, fake Russian collusion narratives, weeks and weeks to count and certify a state and media bias did plenty of damage to the foundation of democracy and the perceived accuracy of the vote. Not to mention, slamming through sweeping changes to voting laws right after an election isn't exactly the picture of a confident party that just won an election in a landslide. There was plenty of fuel for a fire without Q ever being a factor. That doesn't mean Biden didn't win, it just means there was enough out there to make you at least ask some questions.

Q, just like BLM and Antifa gave some fringe crazies something to believe in which many seem to need and want these days. Keep this in mind, the CIA, the NSA and FBI are three incredibly powerful organizations with very little operational oversight where the CIA and NSA are concerned. They could have shut Q down at any point if they had serious concerns over the power and disinformation it was generating but they didn't. Why not? Q wasn't started or found post election, it existed before.

You think Q is similar to BLM?

 

[wallaceb]

According to this peer reviewed Dr. it was the CIA, according to snopes this is a lie. So, do we believe the peer reviewed doctor specializing in politics or the snopes.com people who we have no idea as to their credentials and typically utilize left leaning articles to prove their fact checks?

Honest questions and some people who care more than we do have taken the time to explain these things if we care to listen.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org

The syntax in your 1st sentence is otherworldly, and the article appears to have been written by a cadre of gibbering monkeys.

 

[firegiver]

The fact that 70% of repubs think the election was stolen has very little to do with Q or the anons that keep up with it. A poll came out late last fall stating that only 24% of registered repubs polled had even heard of Q.

Yah like said Trump embraced it and told everyone the election was stolen so the Republicans believed him. Because what else can they do? Admit they were fooled?

 

[jakefest]

You think Q is similar to BLM?

In respect to being radical, yes.

 

[iceheart08]

In respect to being radical, yes.

Black people wanting equal rights is equal to a conspiracy based on the notion that Dems are all child molesters and perpetuating a child trafficking ring that only trump can save us from?

Come on. You are a reasonable guy. These things aren't remotely equal when it comes to radical ideas.

How would you reframe what BLM is to match the batshit insanity of Q?

 

[jakefest]

Black people wanting equal rights is equal to a conspiracy based on the notion that Dems are all child molesters and perpetuating a child trafficking ring that only trump can save us from?

Come on. You are a reasonable guy. These things aren't remotely equal when it comes to radical ideas.

How would you reframe what BLM is to match the batshit insanity of Q?

Don't confuse BLM the movement with BLM the organization. The org are the original backers of defunding police, the org wants to take down the western created nuclear family structure, the org wants to dismantle capitalism....etc etc. Basically, they want all sorts of power but haven't yet articulated what they would do with it other than destroy America as we know it. Is that not as radical as Q? Maybe it's less crazy but it's not any less radical.

The movement wants fair treatment, equality rights and opportunity, safe streets, etc etc and I think you'd find a much larger percentage of America is supportive of the movement, including myself.

The org represents something much more radical than just equality for blacks/POC.

 

[TheValley91]

Don't confuse BLM the movement with BLM the organization. The org are the original backers of defunding police, the org wants to take down the western created nuclear family structure, the org wants to dismantle capitalism....etc etc. Basically, they want all sorts of power but haven't yet articulated what they would do with it other than destroy America as we know it. Is that not as radical as Q? Maybe it's less crazy but it's not any less radical.

The movement wants fair treatment, equality rights and opportunity, safe streets, etc etc and I think you'd find a much larger percentage of America is supportive of the movement, including myself.

The org represents something much more radical than just equality for blacks/POC.

I'm looking on their website now and see nothing about taking down capitalism or tearing down families either.

 

[iceheart08]

I'm looking on their website now and see nothing about taking down capitalism or tearing down families either.

to be fair to @jakefest , their website used to include more of a platform, and it did mirror what you might see from the dem socialist party/group, but still not anywhere close to approaching Q levels of crazy or radical

 

[TheValley91]

to be fair to @jakefest , their website used to include more of a platform, and it did mirror what you might see from the dem socialist party/group, but still not anywhere close to approaching Q levels of crazy or radical

10-4

 

[SconnyTiger25]

In respect to being radical, yes.

I follow/read Q drops but far from radical, and the people that follow Q are nothing more than truth seakers, don’t see how that can be compared to setting fires to federal buildings, burning cities, or anything else that BLM/Antifa shenanigans from the summer.

Q is information only, not a group of people, so the disinformation is strong, but not from Q.

There is a new documentary airing on HBO today about Q, suggest y’all watch it to educate yourselves and sound less mainstream. It is suppose to explain the origins

 

[nytigerfan]

China and Russia probably equally as happy as they watch BLM and Antifa run roughshod through America. Those two orgs seem pretty proficient at creating radical divide, no? For the record, I'm not stating that Q was the creation of the CIA or similar, I'm just pointing out that it's similar to what the US does in other countries. You can form your own opinions, same as most on here.

Also, Q didn't have anything to do with most LOGICALLY minded conservatives questioning the election. Sweeping changes to voter rules, statistical anomalies, information suppression, fake Russian collusion narratives, weeks and weeks to count and certify a state and media bias did plenty of damage to the foundation of democracy and the perceived accuracy of the vote. Not to mention, slamming through sweeping changes to voting laws right after an election isn't exactly the picture of a confident party that just won an election in a landslide. There was plenty of fuel for a fire without Q ever being a factor. That doesn't mean Biden didn't win, it just means there was enough out there to make you at least ask some questions.

Q, just like BLM and Antifa gave some fringe crazies something to believe in which many seem to need and want these days. Keep this in mind, the CIA, the NSA and FBI are three incredibly powerful organizations with very little operational oversight where the CIA and NSA are concerned. They could have shut Q down at any point if they had serious concerns over the power and disinformation it was generating but they didn't. Why not? Q wasn't started or found post election, it existed before.

Biden did win, and **** your feelings. Am I doing it right?

 

[SconnyTiger25]

You see this link you posted: The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org

Its from Paul Craig Roberts. What do you think about his holocaust denial?
Seriously, Im not moving forward discussing anything with you unless I can understand whether or not I'm dealing with an antisemite.

I stay away from those conversations, because it’s a zero sum game. I have visited Auschwitz and my heart and body was sick the whole time
I was there. I believe in energy and the energy at Auschwitz made me sick. I am glad they have maintained the museum, but it’s a tough visit to stand in the place that committed such atrocities. I do believe the word “antisemite” that you used is a hateful word and should not be used so easily in our society. Our origins are Judeo-Christian and I believe in the origins that formed this great country. I also believe their are 2 sects of Jews, those that follow Cain and others that maintain Jewish faith to this day.

I am not anti-Semitic nor am I anti-redneck or anti-Anyone. There are many professors on all ends of the spectrum, but I would read their material if I felt it lead to facts or broadened my horizons, no different than why it was important in history/civics to understand the Nazi color revolution and takeover in Germany.

I can certainly agree with someone on 1 subject and disagree on another. Again I’m like a firefighter, when I see smoke I want to know if there is a fire. That’s how I guide myself through all the BS.

There is a ton of BS, but call me fascinated by why things happen all around us and what triggers that and how it affects the future and whether the past has made it unadulterated through time or if history has changed visa via the telephone game? I think if a lot more people paid attention to the worldview of the world, traveled more, saw the devastation in the world, they would want to know more also. It is a big place and or plot of land called the USA is changing very rapidly. I want to know The Who, What, Why? It would be nice to dissect these things more and have unlimited funds to research and uncover info, but that’s also when people end up dead. So I’ll keep with my reading and my gut and anonymous message boards

 

[jakefest]

Biden did win, and **** your feelings. Am I doing it right?

You sure are