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Under Joe Biden & Kamala Harris, here’s what happened to America’s economy:

Gas: +49.1%
Electricity: +31.6%
Fuel oil: +46.4%
Airfare: +32%
Hotels: +52.3%
Groceries: +21.3%
Eating out: +22.7%
Baby food: +30.5%
K-12 food: +65.1%
Rent: +21.5%
Used cars: +21.3%
Public transportation: +22.3%

Real average weekly earnings: -3.6%

We’re barely getting by and it will only get worse if we continue down the same path for another four years.

I do not give a damn if somebody is black, white, green or even if one has a mean mouth, give me the policies that help Americans. The policies of the last 4 years help everyone but Americans.
 
Under Joe Biden & Kamala Harris, here’s what happened to America’s economy:

Gas: +49.1%
Electricity: +31.6%
Fuel oil: +46.4%
Airfare: +32%
Hotels: +52.3%
Groceries: +21.3%
Eating out: +22.7%
Baby food: +30.5%
K-12 food: +65.1%
Rent: +21.5%
Used cars: +21.3%
Public transportation: +22.3%

Real average weekly earnings: -3.6%

We’re barely getting by and it will only get worse if we continue down the same path for another four years.

I do not give a damn if somebody is black, white, green or even if one has a mean mouth, give me the policies that help Americans. The policies of the last 4 years help everyone but Americans.
Racist....
Please note this is sarcasm
 
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I'll bite. We live in a corporate fiefdom.
The board members all across this great land saw an opportunity and took it. The fed was raising interest rates to fight inflation and they thought, well guess we should raise our prices more.
This is all in line with slowing the American economy so that the bottom line isn't less profitable.

I hear your guy wants to give the billionaires tax cuts. Good luck with trickle down. Trickle down this dick
 
Under Joe Biden & Kamala Harris, here’s what happened to America’s economy:

Gas: +49.1%
Electricity: +31.6%
Fuel oil: +46.4%
Airfare: +32%
Hotels: +52.3%
Groceries: +21.3%
Eating out: +22.7%
Baby food: +30.5%
K-12 food: +65.1%
Rent: +21.5%
Used cars: +21.3%
Public transportation: +22.3%

Real average weekly earnings: -3.6%

We’re barely getting by and it will only get worse if we continue down the same path for another four years.

I do not give a damn if somebody is black, white, green or even if one has a mean mouth, give me the policies that help Americans. The policies of the last 4 years help everyone but Americans.
So there are multiple things that have contributed to inflation over the last 5 years, some of which that were in the Biden administration’s control, but many not.

Firstly, there was a global pandemic. This caused supply chains to get flipped upside down, which significantly impacted supply and demand. So the 49% increase in gas price figure is missing some serious context - gas prices plummeted in summer of 2020 when the supply of gas so outweighed the demand that the price of oil went into the negative. As a result, oil rich nations began producing less and oil companies purchased less, so when the demand returned, the supply was now low. This obviously caused a major flip in gas prices. Gas prices YoY from 23-24 are down about 14% so gas prices have more or less stabilized.

This logic can be applied to almost every sector of our economy. Global supply chain issues caused massive inflation all over the world. The Biden Administration has said that the US has some of the lowest inflation rates in the world, but that line is missing some context as well. Out of the entire world? Sure the US has low inflation, but when you look at countries with similarly developed economies (the G7 for example) the US is pretty much right in the middle.

In the US, the federal government took action that contributed to inflation during the pandemic. Giving out loans to small/medium businesses (that were then forgiven) allowed many people to keep their jobs, the government also issued stimulus checks, put moratoriums on evictions, paused student loan payment, etc etc. The government obviously knew all of these things would create inflation, but at the time the decision was between that or potentially massive, massive increases in unemployment/homelessness.

These policies began under the Trump administration and then were continued by the Biden administration. I think it would be fair to argue that the Biden administration kept many of these policies in place longer than was necessary. But this artificially propped up business and jobs and created more cash in the economy than there was demand for. And ultimately, that also contributed to the upside down nature of supply/demand that created inflation.

Another major contributing factor, especially in the US, is corporations taking advantage of the situation and boosting their profits. We know that some of the inflation, particularly in food prices, is a direct result of increased cost for those companies, yet at a time where they are reporting increased cost and limited supply, their profits are continuing to increase. So they’re taking the zeitgeist of inflation and tacking on a few more percentage points to make money, which will only increase their profits more as their costs go back down. We have started to see some push back on this from consumers, with restaurants like McDonald’s seeing losses now that their prices have gotten out of hand.

Nowhere is the corporate interest and its role in inflation more obvious than in the housing market. Multi-billion dollar corporations are buying up singe family homes at prices that those selling can’t say no to just so they can charge rent and/or flip the house for a profit down the line. This is a major driving force behind soaring housing costs. And we’ve also seen some pushback there. I am not a fan of Charlie Kirk but I’ve heard him suggest regulations to limit this impact, and I’d support that idea. You’re also seeing apartment complexes utilize AI software that determines what rent should be and with so many properties using the same software, it essentially eliminates competition and, in effect, creates price collusion between property management companies. This software was just recently banned in San Francisco, where housing prices are of course completely out of control.

So, in sum, lots of factors have contributed to inflation and inflation has clearly slowed over the last 12-18 months. Short of another global pandemic and supply chain crisis, there’s not really a reason to believe that inflation will not continue to decrease under a Harris administration.
 
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So there are multiple things that have contributed to inflation over the last 5 years, some of which that were in the Biden administration’s control, but many not.

Firstly, there was a global pandemic. This caused supply chains to get flipped upside down, which significantly impacted supply and demand. So the 49% increase in gas price figure is missing some serious context - gas prices plummeted in summer of 2020 when the supply of gas so outweighed the demand that the price of oil went into the negative. As a result, oil rich nations began producing less and oil companies purchased less, so when the demand returned, the supply was now low. This obviously caused a major flip in gas prices. Gas prices YoY from 23-24 are down about 14% so gas prices have more or less stabilized.

This logic can be applied to almost every sector of our economy. Global supply chain issues caused massive inflation all over the world. The Biden Administration has said that the US has some of the lowest inflation rates in the world, but that line is missing some context as well. Out of the entire world? Sure the US has low inflation, but when you look at countries with similarly developed economies (the G7 for example) the US is pretty much right in the middle.

In the US, the federal government took action that contributed to inflation during the pandemic. Giving out loans to small/medium businesses (that were then forgiven) allowed many people to keep their jobs, the government also issued stimulus checks, put moratoriums on evictions, paused student loan payment, etc etc. The government obviously knew all of these things would create inflation, but at the time the decision was between that or potentially massive, massive increases in unemployment/homelessness.

These policies began under the Trump administration and then were continued by the Biden administration. I think it would be fair to argue that the Biden administration kept many of these policies in place longer than was necessary. But this artificially propped up business and jobs and created more cash in the economy than there was demand for. And ultimately, that also contributed to the upside down nature of supply/demand that created inflation.

Another major contributing factor, especially in the US, is corporations taking advantage of the situation and boosting their profits. We know that some of the inflation, particularly in food prices, is a direct result of increased cost for those companies, yet at a time where they are reporting increased cost and limited supply, their profits are continuing to increase. So they’re taking the zeitgeist of inflation and tacking on a few more percentage points to make money, which will only increase their profits more as their costs go back down. We have started to see some push back on this from consumers, with restaurants like McDonald’s seeing losses now that their prices have gotten out of hand.

Nowhere is the corporate interest and its role in inflation more obvious than in the housing market. Multi-billion dollar corporations are buying up singe family homes at prices that those selling can’t say no to just so they can charge rent and/or flip the house for a profit down the line. This is a major driving force behind soaring housing costs. And we’ve also seen some pushback there. I am not a fan of Charlie Kirk but I’ve heard him suggest regulations to limit this impact, and I’d support that idea. You’re also seeing apartment complexes utilize AI software that determines what rent should be and with so many properties using the same software, it essentially eliminates competition and, in effect, creates price collusion between property management companies. This software was just recently banned in San Francisco, where housing prices are of course completely out of control.

So, in sum, lots of factors have contributed to inflation and inflation has clearly slowed over the last 12-18 months. Short of another global pandemic and supply chain crisis, there’s not really a reason to believe that inflation will not continue to decrease under a Harris administration.
Blah blah blah.....
 
And what, specifically, do you believe has contributed to inflation since 2020?
I dont feel like a deep debate but on a macro level its the trillions of dollars dumped into the economy under Biden needlessly and yes i know Trump dumped trillions too but he had to shut the nation down totally due to the unknown nature of covid at that point. The recovery was well underway by the end of 2020. There was no need for further stimulus imo.
 
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I dont feel like a deep debate but on a macro level its the trillions of dollars dumped into the economy under Biden needlessly and yes i know Trump dumped trillions too but he had to shut the nation down totally due to the unknown nature of covid at that point. The recovery was well underway by the end of 2020. There was no need for further stimulus imo.
Yeah I listed that as a contributing factor to inflation in the post you said “blah blah blah” to. But to pretend that’s the only factor is, quite simply, stupid.
 
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Good luck with trickle down.
amen. it never, never, never, never works.

Global supply chain issues caused massive inflation all over the world.
bingo. and america’s economy has coped with it far better than any other major nation.

the numbers are simple. and yet a lot of people eating ramen and hot dogs keep voting repub. guess when their wallets are at their thinnest? the last couple years of every repub term and the first eight months of every dem term … again and again and again … no wonder they love the orange piece of crap, they know the color so well from all those years they can only afford their great value boxed mac and cheese.
 
and america’s economy has coped with it far better than any other major nation.
Im not sure that’s entirely true. If you look at inflation rates in 2022 and 2023 it’s true. This was when global inflation was at its peak and inflation in the US was lower than in most other major countries.

In 2024, however, inflation hasn’t slowed as much in the US as it has in other countries. Canada, Spain, Japan, Switzerland, Denmark, Netherlands, Greece, UK, France, Germany, Ireland, Czech Republic, Italy, and Finland all have lower inflation rates.

Japan and Switzerland in particular have handled inflation very well over the last 4 years.

So I think it’s fair to say that the US fared better than others through the peak of inflation, but other countries are slowing inflation at a faster rate than the US is.

Obviously there are other economic markers that the US may be better or worse in than others, but this is looking solely at inflation rates.
 
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So there are multiple things that have contributed to inflation over the last 5 years, some of which that were in the Biden administration’s control, but many not.

Firstly, there was a global pandemic. This caused supply chains to get flipped upside down, which significantly impacted supply and demand. So the 49% increase in gas price figure is missing some serious context - gas prices plummeted in summer of 2020 when the supply of gas so outweighed the demand that the price of oil went into the negative. As a result, oil rich nations began producing less and oil companies purchased less, so when the demand returned, the supply was now low. This obviously caused a major flip in gas prices. Gas prices YoY from 23-24 are down about 14% so gas prices have more or less stabilized.

This logic can be applied to almost every sector of our economy. Global supply chain issues caused massive inflation all over the world. The Biden Administration has said that the US has some of the lowest inflation rates in the world, but that line is missing some context as well. Out of the entire world? Sure the US has low inflation, but when you look at countries with similarly developed economies (the G7 for example) the US is pretty much right in the middle.

In the US, the federal government took action that contributed to inflation during the pandemic. Giving out loans to small/medium businesses (that were then forgiven) allowed many people to keep their jobs, the government also issued stimulus checks, put moratoriums on evictions, paused student loan payment, etc etc. The government obviously knew all of these things would create inflation, but at the time the decision was between that or potentially massive, massive increases in unemployment/homelessness.

These policies began under the Trump administration and then were continued by the Biden administration. I think it would be fair to argue that the Biden administration kept many of these policies in place longer than was necessary. But this artificially propped up business and jobs and created more cash in the economy than there was demand for. And ultimately, that also contributed to the upside down nature of supply/demand that created inflation.

Another major contributing factor, especially in the US, is corporations taking advantage of the situation and boosting their profits. We know that some of the inflation, particularly in food prices, is a direct result of increased cost for those companies, yet at a time where they are reporting increased cost and limited supply, their profits are continuing to increase. So they’re taking the zeitgeist of inflation and tacking on a few more percentage points to make money, which will only increase their profits more as their costs go back down. We have started to see some push back on this from consumers, with restaurants like McDonald’s seeing losses now that their prices have gotten out of hand.

Nowhere is the corporate interest and its role in inflation more obvious than in the housing market. Multi-billion dollar corporations are buying up singe family homes at prices that those selling can’t say no to just so they can charge rent and/or flip the house for a profit down the line. This is a major driving force behind soaring housing costs. And we’ve also seen some pushback there. I am not a fan of Charlie Kirk but I’ve heard him suggest regulations to limit this impact, and I’d support that idea. You’re also seeing apartment complexes utilize AI software that determines what rent should be and with so many properties using the same software, it essentially eliminates competition and, in effect, creates price collusion between property management companies. This software was just recently banned in San Francisco, where housing prices are of course completely out of control.

So, in sum, lots of factors have contributed to inflation and inflation has clearly slowed over the last 12-18 months. Short of another global pandemic and supply chain crisis, there’s not really a reason to believe that inflation will not continue to decrease under a Harris administration.
Alot of truth in this post, good job.

Sold my rental properties a few years ago because I just can't keep raising the rent "just because". Yes it's the owners right to do just that, but I got to where I couldn't sleep at night so we just let them go (only had 2 but still). I'm as "free market" as anyone but there's a difference between "getting value" and price gouging/greed.

Have a friend/mentor who has 127 units and he's raised his rents right along with the best of them. I just couldn't/can't operate like that.
 
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amen. it never, never, never, never works.


bingo. and america’s economy has coped with it far better than any other major nation.

the numbers are simple. and yet a lot of people eating ramen and hot dogs keep voting repub. guess when their wallets are at their thinnest? the last couple years of every repub term and the first eight months of every dem term … again and again and again … no wonder they love the orange piece of crap, they know the color so well from all those years they can only afford their great value boxed mac and cheese.
This is just simply a lie.
Pre pandemic under trump:
low inflation
low unemployment
growing economy
highest labor participation rate in decades
wage gap between rich/poor and white/black at lowest levels in decades
- don't let the fact get in the way of your lies.

How does that compare to now?
 
Pre pandemic under trump:
low inflation
low unemployment
growing economy
highest labor participation rate in decades
wage gap between rich/poor and white/black at lowest levels in decades
IRS data released during Trump’s admin showed:
•Average incomes fell in 2019 compared with 2018
•Most American households made more money during Barack Obama’s last year as president than in Trump’s third.

don’t call my words lies when they aren’t. repub voters and fanboys are being fed badly cherry-picked info to regurgitate from some awful sources. then you’re using that anomaly to try to discredit a decades-long historical trend. also ignoring America’s performance relative to the rest of the world in the most recent term.

but i definitely give you credit for not having hit the ignore button on me, which most of your ilk do whenever i drop a truth bomb on the bull💩.
 
I'll bite. We live in a corporate fiefdom.
The board members all across this great land saw an opportunity and took it. The fed was raising interest rates to fight inflation and they thought, well guess we should raise our prices more.
This is all in line with slowing the American economy so that the bottom line isn't less profitable.

I hear your guy wants to give the billionaires tax cuts. Good luck with trickle down. Trickle down this dick
Tell me you have no clue about how to run a business, without telling me….
 
IRS data released during Trump’s admin showed:
•Average incomes fell in 2019 compared with 2018
•Most American households made more money during Barack Obama’s last year as president than in Trump’s third.

don’t call my words lies when they aren’t. repub voters and fanboys are being fed badly cherry-picked info to regurgitate from some awful sources. then you’re using that anomaly to try to discredit a decades-long historical trend. also ignoring America’s performance relative to the rest of the world in the most recent term.

but i definitely give you credit for not having hit the ignore button on me, which most of your ilk do whenever i drop a truth bomb on the bull💩.
Inflation, unemployment, labor participation, gdp, wage gap data are all verifiable from sources no one but you would call awful sources. Please tell what "awful sources" you think this info comes from?

See attached median real income. Your words are, in fact, lies. Very easy to prove when you give specific lies. You may want to stick to the more broad general bs that is harder to prove.
2018 income was $73030, 2019 $78250. I'm not sure about where you learned basic math, but I was taught $78250>$73030- by a fairly wide margin. Last year of obama was $70,840. Again, you are either not honest or ignorant of the facts. Maybe you should question the dem talking points being shoved down your throat.

 
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IRS data released during Trump’s admin showed:
•Average incomes fell in 2019 compared with 2018
•Most American households made more money during Barack Obama’s last year as president than in Trump’s third.

don’t call my words lies when they aren’t. repub voters and fanboys are being fed badly cherry-picked info to regurgitate from some awful sources. then you’re using that anomaly to try to discredit a decades-long historical trend. also ignoring America’s performance relative to the rest of the world in the most recent term.

but i definitely give you credit for not having hit the ignore button on me, which most of your ilk do whenever i drop a truth bomb on the bull💩.
You can post all this garbage all you want to but I do know for a fact, under Trump I paid less in gas, at the grocery store, restaurants, utilities, and auto insurance…just facts!! But you carry on my friend…
 
You can post all this garbage all you want to but I do know for a fact, under Trump I paid less in gas, at the grocery store, restaurants, utilities, and auto insurance…just facts!! But you carry on my friend…
You paid less for all of those things while Jimmy Carter was in office than you did when Bill Clinton got into office. So by this logic, did Reagan and Bush cause those price increases?
 
You can post all this garbage all you want to but I do know for a fact, under Trump I paid less in gas, at the grocery store, restaurants, utilities, and auto insurance…just facts!! But you carry on my friend…
You paid less then because extreme global inflation did not exist before the pandemic. Note that I don’t blame Trump for that condition, because it’s disingenuous to do so. Again I’ll say, America has coped with inflation better than other major global economies.
 
Inflation, unemployment, labor participation, gdp, wage gap data are all verifiable from sources no one but you would call awful sources. Please tell what "awful sources" you think this info comes from?

See attached median real income. Your words are, in fact, lies. Very easy to prove when you give specific lies. You may want to stick to the more broad general bs that is harder to prove.
2018 income was $73030, 2019 $78250. I'm not sure about where you learned basic math, but I was taught $78250>$73030- by a fairly wide margin. Last year of obama was $70,840. Again, you are either not honest or ignorant of the facts. Maybe you should question the dem talking points being shoved down your throat.

The Fed is a good source, good work. But looking at income skews more toward the wealthy, which Trump’s policies favor. Salaries did not rise as well and is more reflective of the country’s workers overall. That info from the Fed’s BLS shows a very even and straight line through the last 20 years followed by a sharp uptick when Biden took office. Cheers.
 
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