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Lol no more Porn in GA. The anti porn bill just passed.

I got no problem with states doing things like this. Decisions like this should be made by individual states and people from those states. If the state I am living in does enough things I don't like, then moving to another one can be done. Plus i have more say in the elections in the state than i do nationally. Much harder to pick up and move to another country. This is really what the founders wanted. Let the federal government handle basic things like national security and international trade. Let social decisions be made by states.

Do you have any idea how privileged you sound? You seriously think the majority of people can just uproot their lives just like that?
 
I got no problem with states doing things like this. Decisions like this should be made by individual states and people from those states. If the state I am living in does enough things I don't like, then moving to another one can be done. Plus i have more say in the elections in the state than i do nationally. Much harder to pick up and move to another country. This is really what the founders wanted. Let the federal government handle basic things like national security and international trade. Let social decisions be made by states.
Right, the important distinction is who's doing the intrusive overreach into our private lives. What a joke. Conservatism = hypocrisy. Pornography access isn't a "social decision," it's a private one.
 
But is this vastly different than requiring id to but adult products? Like I said, I have mixed feelings.

They are not looking at the unattended consequences. There is a huge difference between showing your id to a person and uploading it to a website. Data breaches literally happen everyday no matter how secure the site is. Studies also show that porn decreases sexual assaults. Either way, VPN companies are loving all these laws passing because it's driving people to use their services. That's who us probably behind this, lol.
 
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They are not looking at the unattended consequences. There is a huge difference between showing your id to a person and uploading it to a website. Data breaches literally happen everyday no matter how secure the site is. Studies also show that porn deceases sexual assaults. Either way, VPN companies are loving all these laws passing because it's driving people to use their services. That's who us probably behind this, lol.
ill agree with you on the first point that data uploading is less than ideal...not gonna agree with any redeeming qualities of porn however
 
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You can’t legislate morality. Unfortunately big government wins again.
Nearly every law “legislated morality,” if by that you mean the law is made for a moral reason. But having moral reasoning behind legislation isn’t the same thing as making people moral by legislation, even though anti-vice legislation clearly discourages the proliferation of vice businesses.
 
Yeah, didn’t read it. But having two kids just leave the house, it was constant vigilance between electronic devices and their friends devices, Porn is way too easily accessible for children. I just thought it needed to be overstated. For example, even with “safe search’ selected, I typed in Shrek to show kids how to draw Shrek. In the image results were pornographic depictions of Shrek with various other cartoon characters.
I don't buy that for a second. My guess is you, or someone on that computer, was looking at something similar and it used your cookies or something. I've done that from my phone with my nieces and nephews on multiple occasions to *insert Disney/Pixar character* to look at pictures and not once found anything remotely pornographic.

Edit: In a less accusatory manor, like wise, if you use duck duck go or incognito mode you don't have any previous data to filter out the scum of the internet.
 
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Nearly every law “legislated morality,” if by that you mean the law is made for a moral reason. But having moral reasoning behind legislation isn’t the same thing as making people moral by legislation, even though anti-vice legislation clearly discourages the proliferation of vice businesses.
correct..tons of laws are morally based..the question being where do you draw the line of decide which ones are necessary i suppose
 
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correct..tons of laws are morally based..the question being where do you draw the line of decide which ones are necessary i suppose
Yep, and I think outside of constitutional restrictions, that just has to be decided politically. We can’t pretend that moral legislation is just artificially walled off from the political process because those are usually contested issues.
 
ill agree with you on the first point that data uploading is less than ideal...not gonna agree with any redeeming qualities of porn however
I actually think that's true. Allowing prostitution and porn cuts back on the number of sexual related crimes. Everything from child molesters to rape. I believe it was done in the Netherlands where both are allowed.

Sicko whack jobs are going to get their's one way or another. You may as well give them an outlet. Kids too but on a much less extreme of the spectrum IE watching porn.
 
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ill agree with you on the first point that data uploading is less than ideal...not gonna agree with any redeeming qualities of porn however
It's sort of like the welfare argument. That's just government's way of reducing crime. Give people some money so they can get high or feed their kids or whatever and keep them in their own little bubble away from society.

Same argument why abortion may be a net positive for society. Imagine if those 70 million + babies were born in to poverty (overwhelming majority) - huge drain on the system, increased crime, etc and then they have kids...cycle continues.

Conservatives should be very much in favor in abortion if we are being completely honest and remove the human aspect from the conversation (which is impossible for me to do personally, but just saying)

It would make sense that porn would help sexual predators in some sense. But in other ways, it may give some ideas on how to act out. I'm not really sure the studies there.
 
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I actually think that's true. Allowing prostitution and porn cuts back on the number of sexual related crimes. Everything from child molesters to rape. I believe it was done in the Netherlands where both are allowed.

Sicko whack jobs are going to get their's one way or another. You may as well give them an outlet. Kids too but on a much less extreme of the spectrum IE watching porn.
now do the downside to porn and weigh it against that one possible plus? i think porn is a net negative on society, but that's just me...I'm also not sure i buy that positive either but dont know enough to argue it...
 
i think maybe we are losing sight (me included at first) that they are not outlawing porn, they are asking for valid proof of age and so far the issue of possible data breaches is valid, but nobody seems to have a problem with that when buying alcohol online or having it delivered, so I'm wondering why porn is/should be any different? seems to be if you are gonna be mad about losing porn, that its on the porn sites that refuse to comply
 
I also don't get the data breach argument. Most people have credit cards and online banking info saved online.

Pretty sure your data is already easily accessible.
 
i think maybe we are losing sight (me included at first) that they are not outlawing porn, they are asking for valid proof of age and so far the issue of possible data breaches is valid, but nobody seems to have a problem with that when buying alcohol online or having it delivered, so I'm wondering why porn is/should be any different? seems to be if you are gonna be mad about losing porn, that its on the porn sites that refuse to comply
There is disagreement on the best way to verify age. The company that owns Pornhub says it can be done at the user/device level. Whether that’s legit or corporate BS, I don’t know.

 
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I also don't get the data breach argument. Most people have credit cards and online banking info saved online.

Pretty sure your data is already easily accessible.
i would guess the argument is its just one (or more) additional sources of a possible breach and perhaps a smutty porn site isn't gonna be as secure as your bank, but i dont know
 
I also don't get the data breach argument. Most people have credit cards and online banking info saved online.

Pretty sure your data is already easily accessible.
I don’t think many people would put the same level of trust in a porn site as they would say, Bank of America or Capital One. Not that those companies are immune from breaches, but they’re probably better regulated.
 
ill agree with you on the first point that data uploading is less than ideal...not gonna agree with any redeeming qualities of porn however
Fair enough, people can agree to disagree on the redeemable aspect. But the fundamental point, to me, is leave it to the individual to make that determination for themselves.
 
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Fair enough, people can agree to disagree on the redeemable aspect. But the fundamental point, to me, is leave it to the individual to make that determination for themselves.
i get that line of thinking, i really do, but i also struggle with how to protect kids from parents who wont do it....its a discussion that could go on forever and cover many issues i suppose
 
i think maybe we are losing sight (me included at first) that they are not outlawing porn, they are asking for valid proof of age and so far the issue of possible data breaches is valid, but nobody seems to have a problem with that when buying alcohol online or having it delivered, so I'm wondering why porn is/should be any different? seems to be if you are gonna be mad about losing porn, that its on the porn sites that refuse to comply
Verifying ages isn’t a bad thing, but for a website that allows uploading of content, it’s going to be next to impossible to regulate. Pretty much free porn sites aren’t going to be able to 100% comply so it’ll move into pay sites getting more traffic where they only have their verified content.
 
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