Man I just cannot imagine
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7/10 - will get (has gotten) some bites but a little too obvious.
I can’t imagine spending my time at Clemson trolling a message board with Apple Cider and Vaseline pictures, but to each his own. If someone doesn’t want to watch television, I say more power to them, regardless of the reason.
I have a feeling if you look back in time there are more Presidents who took advantage of women than those that didn’t.
The other issue is many people do not vote on people for moral reasons.
Jimmy Carter was probably one of the most pious men in the White House. But he was a terrible President. VP Pence doesn’t even go into a room with a woman without someone else present. Would you vote for him over Bill Clinton? Who has assaulted women. Probably not.
I think you make too many stereotypes based on who people vote for.
these are weird deflections.
i wouldn't vote for bill clinton today, either, given what is known about his abuse of women. but he's at least intelligent and qualified to be president. same with carter. trump, especially in his deteriorating state of cognitive function, doesn't come close to being qualified. he's a conman. an idiot.
so, for the purposes of getting back to my original point in this thread: i'm glad that tom brady and robert kraft, two men i already didn't like even before they were revealed to be trump supporters, lost the super bowl.
i love when people use this gif. because it almost always indicates that they have no intellectual basis on which to argue.
When you move outta your mommy and daddy's house, grow up, have kids of your own and have morals that you attempt to teach them then come talk to me... until that time you are still a XBOX playing snotty nose little boy who hasnt even had to learn the value of morals yet.
Got damn, some folks in here getting triggered big time.
Its a regular blizzard up in here ...
Thank God, in this case, I'm not dealing with an intellectual.
I don't disagree with your sentiment, but if you are an employee and your employer tells you to sit or stand, and you do not comply, your employer has a right to remove you from your job.
Seriously? If you don't disagree then why comment as if you disagree with anything I said? Search my post and you'll find I said nothing to the contrary nor did I even address that. I'm trying to figure out why you even posted that quoting anything I said. Are you looking for a disagreement?
Next time just ask me how I feel don't respond to me and say but.....yadda yadda yadda. And then your but had zero to do with the subject matter. That's weird. Did someone else mention the rights of companies? I didn't.
All that being said, I happen to agree that a company can legally remove you from your job at their discretion.
You're right. Standing up for our flag, our country, our veterans, and what you believe in by not watching a bunch of rich guys play a game is such snow flakery. I just can't imagine why anyone would want to do that.
They are not burning the flag, they are respecting what that flag stands for more than just the physical flag. The protest is against activity that disrespects what our flag stands for. It stands for a nation where all men are created equal and have equal rights to the pursuit of happiness. Being stopped and harassed for nothing more than the crime of being black is not what that flag stands for. Not to protest would say that the flag stands for nothing. My flag is a symbol and should be respected even in protest.
Got damn, some folks in here getting triggered big time.
The new norm of the board.
Studies have shown this is the result of having a very very small penis. Of course I'm getting my information from the TMI episode of South Park. I think it's safe to say it applies to @clemsonpaw00
Exactly. The flag and the country has been protested throughout our history. Sometimes illegal armed protest which is in direct violation of the Constitution. Nonetheless Americans have always protested against the government. They chose whatever form makes the government listen. That's what makes us unique. As long as it's peaceful history says the government will eventual come around to listening. Soldiers die everyday to keep alive that very right.
People are really just not down with what they're protesting about. There was less anger about the armed takeover of federal lands. Where was the we agree with the cause but why not take proper channels argument. Not just you individually but nationally. All I heard was why they had a good reason for being upset. That's why I don't trust most that consider themselves angry over a minimal impact peaceful protest that was literally one dude exercising his right to protest even tho 99% of the league was standing. But these folks want to protect a piece of cloth. That cloth is nothing without the people behind it. I get treated like dirt even on my best behavior. A fellow citizen but I need overwhelming video proof and a death for many to consider listening. We the people not we the flag. Idol worship is wrong anyway as far as I was taught. Love the people. The people are the flag.
1 - No one thought Federal Lands takeover was going to last long. Plus, more people care about football than a piece of federal land. Good or bad, that's just the way it is.
2 - People want to know the end game. No one, even the kneelers, think this protest is going to make life better in African American neighborhoods. So how long does this go on? Forever?
3 - Another reason is most of the angered people feel like this has nothing to do with making life better for African American neighborhoods and everything about Trump. Trump may have low popularity ratings nation-wide. But a good portion of Trumps fan base are football fans. Think about where football is the most popular, South, Texas, and Mid-West, most of that area is Trump territory. The entire thing reminds Conservatives of the Bush protests over the war. Once Bush left, the protest ended, but wars continued on. And most people think these protests will end when Trump leaves, whether its this year, next year, 2020, or 2024.
So if I am understanding you, the takeover of federal lands by a bunch of right wing ranchers was OK if they did not intend for it to last that long?
You are correct that the kneeling has a lot to do with Trump. he chose to make this a central issue (most likely to deflect from the news of his son meeting with russians to get dirt on Hillary). His speaking out made more players choose to kneel (see Grady Jarrett).
I am also not really understanding your Bush war reference. Bush lied to the american people and congress to get us into a war to increase his ratings and enrich his friends. Are you saying Obama should be protested for inheriting that war that Bush started? And when Obama ordered the surge, he was most definitely protested.
1. With all due respect your number one is ridiculous. Whenever anyone in this country, black, white, gender, etc we all as Americans play the keep it peaceful card. If they get violent in their anger/protest it's always, always, always said that it should've been handled peacefully within the system but you did what happens, made an excuse for this one time. Armed heavily yet you just excused it. Imagine for a moment they were heavily armed football players, instead of kneeling. Would you have said nah this won't last that long? It wouldn't have because many would've called for the place to be stormed and they would've deserved whatever happened for arming themselves against a freaking government. Hell I would've said it. You asked for it Steelers.
2. Maybe you are in the category of the project asking what "they" wanted, maybe not, but there were many examples given but it was more about the attitudes and treatments of people. It resulted in town hall meeting in several communities, law enforcement joining together developing relationships in their communities, visible efforts and conversations. Good officerso taking a moment to self reflect and make sure they remain good by paying attention to the small details that might effect people. All those do actually help. But you have to have real interest in seeing how those things help instead of being against it period.
3. Zero to do with Trump initially. Trump inserted himself in with his inflammatory remarks but when the one guy sat everyone lost their minds it was one guy and 99% of the league was standing. To help with that one guy if you don't care. 99.9% still standing. Fools were acting as if he committed capital murder. Once Trump attached the league it became about so much more. Just my perspective no tho. I realize there are others.
I cant imagine someone making such a ridiculous statement that the men and women of our military are stupid BUT ..... wouldnt you know it?
With all due respect I wasn’t making an excuse. What they did was unlawful and they being punished appropriately. What you are missing is timeframe. One was 1-2 weeks, the other has never left the news. Out of sight out mind. And of course if football players came in armed to a stadium with 60 k potential hostages we have a problem. The Bundy’s took over an empty piece of federal land.
Your comparing a terrorist attack against the World Trade Center versus a terrorist attack on McDonalds. Both are bad, but I’m not going to be thinking about the McDonalds attack a week later. Just like I don’t care about the Bundys, I don’t even remember how long that incident lasted.
And NFL kneeling will become an after thought also until September or it may be forgotten forever if they stop kneeling.
C'mon that most certainly was an excuse. Taking over federal lands and scaring the doo doo out of the local community is somehow minimized. Again, insert Kaep and a bunch of his OL/DL showing up heavily armed to take over those same federal lands because they were pissed about treatment by officers. You'd have the same reaction? And I'm not talking only about them being dealt with appropriately. I'm talking your reaction and that if the majority of people. You can be honest. We're all aonymous here. One was a crime but the reaction of the country at large makes the football players seem more of an issue. Both were protests, one peaceful and one heavily armed. If you can't admit that then we can agree to disagree. You can be right in your own mind but that won't change what the truth is. We should all respect peaceful protest whether we agree or not per the Constitution. But armed vs the government and flag is in some instances ok with you. At least looking at your excuses it seems ok. I mean nobody was there after all.
If NFL players wanted to do that they should get the same treatment as the Bundys. And I wouldn’t think about them one week later. Instead I get reminded of it every Sunday for 5 months straight. Because of that, they stay relevant where the Bundys are not. I don’t even know why the Bundys did it.
Maybe you didn't follow the story and that's fine so you wouldn't have seen any of the reports. That speaks to my point tho. If I know nothing about this story and I hear armed dudes are doing anything I'm all over that story. Way more interesting and possibly explosive but then again a dude was sitting quietly behind a Gatorade cooler.
You mentioned that if NFL players did the same thing they "should" get the same treatment. You may individually believe that as in you personally but nationally would they get the same treatment? To be fair many on this board condemned the actions of the armed dudes as well.
I'm pro officers. I've always said if you stand armed against the law or the government I'm not mad at the officer/government if they act accordingly. The officer wants to go home too. You knew the situation when you armed yourself. It's the dude that encounters officers unarmed that I worry about. I behave 100% in accordance with the law and instructions and still get treated like crap. I'm a clean cut professional and it doesn't matter. But most need video to believe how often that happens or I need to be dead for people to listen. We're good tho.
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