You haven’t provided anything but question people’s solutions or ideas. You clearly seem to be the one whois fine with how things are.
Some fodder for the gun debate....
What exactly is the proposed solution?
It tears my heart out to see these types of grotesque tragedies (I can’t find a description that that’s strong enough of conveys the right emotion; this one will have to do). I want to stop it. How do we do it?
Do we ban low-recoil, low-caliber, high-velocity, high-accuracy automatic rifles? That’s both essentially what AR-15-style rifles are and why they are so popular.
For a brief anecdote: I took one of my old AR’s out to the family farm for some target practice. This particular AR is essentially an M16 clone with the fixed carry handle-mounted rear and a-frame front sights (read: no fancy optics). I’d stepped off 50 yards from the target and allowed my wife and teenage cousin to shoot. Neither had handled an AR-style rifle before. Each one we able to put several rounds into a pattern the size of a baseball.
Bottom line, with its low recoil and high accuracy, the gun is flat-out easy and fun to shoot—and shoot well. I guess that’s why there are 10's of millions or AR-style rifles in distribution in America right now. An AR-15-style rifle and a couple 30-round mags in the hands of a novice is a great equalizer against even a mob of home invaders. Police across the nation have already demonstrated that they WILL NOT (cannot) be there to help you during times of civil unrest.
So, back to the proposed solution. Ignoring the constitution for a moment, if we are to ban these guns, what do we do about the tens of millions in distribution? Do we buy them back? Do we confiscate them? Do we turn anyone who owns them after a certain date into criminals? How do you get them away from the criminals such that law-abiding people do not instantly become more vulnerable? Do we restrict it to just “low-recoil, low-caliber, high-velocity, high-accuracy automatic rifles”? There are still intermate and high caliber automatic rifles out there…many of which are mainstays in hunting, such as, .270, .308 and .30 06 automatics. Or do you favor just limiting the magazine capacity? For shotguns, it is trivially easy to extend a tube (i.e., magazine) such that it holds many rounds. And if there are 10’s of millions of AR-style rifles, there are easily 100’s of millions of 30-round+ magazines in distribution (many people have more than one; some have several dozens).
I am all for making it such that all sales, private and otherwise have to go through an FFL dealer. I'd even raise the legal age to own weapons of a certain class to 21. The thing is, none of this would have stopped many of the worst of these kinds of tragedies. In almost all of the headline-making mass shootings, the weapons were either obtained legally or the existing laws designed to intervene failed.
What exactly is the proposed solution?
It tears my heart out to see these types of grotesque tragedies (I can’t find a description that that’s strong enough of conveys the right emotion; this one will have to do). I want to stop it. How do we do it?
Do we ban low-recoil, low-caliber, high-velocity, high-accuracy automatic rifles? That’s both essentially what AR-15-style rifles are and why they are so popular.
For a brief anecdote: I took one of my old AR’s out to the family farm for some target practice. This particular AR is essentially an M16 clone with the fixed carry handle-mounted rear and a-frame front sights (read: no fancy optics). I’d stepped off 50 yards from the target and allowed my wife and teenage cousin to shoot. Neither had handled an AR-style rifle before. Each one we able to put several rounds into a pattern the size of a baseball.
Bottom line, with its low recoil and high accuracy, the gun is flat-out easy and fun to shoot—and shoot well. I guess that’s why there are 10's of millions or AR-style rifles in distribution in America right now. An AR-15-style rifle and a couple 30-round mags in the hands of a novice is a great equalizer against even a mob of home invaders. Police across the nation have already demonstrated that they WILL NOT (cannot) be there to help you during times of civil unrest.
So, back to the proposed solution. Ignoring the constitution for a moment, if we are to ban these guns, what do we do about the tens of millions in distribution? Do we buy them back? Do we confiscate them? Do we turn anyone who owns them after a certain date into criminals? How do you get them away from the criminals such that law-abiding people do not instantly become more vulnerable? Do we restrict it to just “low-recoil, low-caliber, high-velocity, high-accuracy automatic rifles”? There are still intermate and high caliber automatic rifles out there…many of which are mainstays in hunting, such as, .270, .308 and .30 06 automatics. Or do you favor just limiting the magazine capacity? For shotguns, it is trivially easy to extend a tube (i.e., magazine) such that it holds many rounds. And if there are 10’s of millions of AR-style rifles, there are easily 100’s of millions of 30-round+ magazines in distribution (many people have more than one; some have several dozens).
I am all for making it such that all sales, private and otherwise have to go through an FFL dealer. I'd even raise the legal age to own weapons of a certain class to 21. The thing is, none of this would have stopped many of the worst of these kinds of tragedies. In almost all of the headline-making mass shootings, the weapons were either obtained legally or the existing laws designed to intervene failed.
I went to a restaurant a while back that had the familiar gun logo on the door, expect that it was surrounded by a green circle without the slash with a caption reading: lawful concealed weapon carriers' welcome. It was quite likely the safest restaurant in America.
Without the presence of a combination of well-armed convert and overt security, I can think of nothing more reckless and illogical than a for a business to display a "no concealed weapons" sign.
It's time to pray the gunmen away says Johnson! And maybe even add some thoughts!
Here's where suspected gunman in Maine shootings was found dead
Robert Card, the suspect wanted in connection with Wednesday's deadly mass shootings at two businesses in Lewiston, Maine, was found dead on Friday night.
www.wcvb.com
How appropriate!!!
Has this person seen the FBI murder statistics? Do they know that “white violence” is exponentially more scarce than violence from other demographics?
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I believe California s strategy is to continue to pass the same legislation over and over after losing in the courts. Eventually bankrupting the 2nd ammendment legal defense non profits. Could work.
....out last the constitutionalists on the court? Could be an effective strategy.
Carl Marx is proving correct: our constitutional repulic is decaying day by day into a democracy bound not by a constitution, but by mob rule. Soon--if not already--we'll be begging for a benevolent dictator to tell us all what to do and to rescue us from the perils of liberty. The Republic will fall from within, not from without.
Perhaps we should all be doing what Rousseau advised and "arm [ourselves] with strength and constancy, and say, every day of [our lives], what a virtuous Count Palatine said in the Diet of Poland: Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium.
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Everyone seems to forget the Nashville shooter...doesn't fit your narrative though, so you gotta memory hole it.
You are trying to paint a picture that people who follow right-wing influencers and media are out here committing all of the gun violence, which isn't true. The Nashville shooter was a left-wing extremist (yes they exist as well).
The decent into mob rule... just what the founding fathers were fearful of. One provision that they had in place to help prevent mob rule was changed by the 17th amendment which permits direct election of US Senators by popular vote in the same manner as the House of Representatives instead of having them chosen by state legislatures. The 17th amendment came about because the state legislatures were not doing their jobs and there were chronic vacancies int he US Senate but it does show how fearful the founding fathers were of the mob.
Afraid we'll never see $.26/rd again. 😞 I keep holding out waiting for them fall into just the sub-$.40 range then regret not buying it at .$49-.50.
I went to the range a few weeks ago and ran through about 200 rounds or so. Felt kind of sick about it, but it'd been more than a year or so since I shot. Good thing about the AR platform though is that I could still hold a softball sized pattern at a 100 yards with a 1x MRO optic. As good as I felt about that, I get completely humbled when I pick up my pistols and can't even get on the paper.
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Price of ammo was the main reason I bought a pistol-caliber carbine. Worst-case I save up the AR ammo during these spikes and I can still shoot decently cheap 9mm on a more long-range platform, and its fun.
You've got an obviously seriously mentally ill person so it's going to be weird. He could have been hearing a voice telling him to kill and so he got all geared up. At some point maybe another voice stepped in or maybe a little mental clarity broke through he wrote that to tell the world before ending his own life, alone and in despair. I'm glad that he fought the good fight and ended himself before killing others but man it's sad to think about all that led up to that.
Kel-tec or the Ruger? Was thinking of getting one myself to replace some of the long guns i lost while boating.
If i could do it all again, I'd get like a Wilson Combat AR9 or a Sig MPX. For now I have a CZ Scorpion EVO 3+. Its a fun little guy
Ah. My head was in a different place. You're talking high end PCC and i was thinking cheap. Looks like the CZ carbine just got discontinued in 2023.
Palmetto State Armory had a deal on the CZ Scorpion that was like 700$ or something super duper silly. I'm not sure if its still available or not.
Just note these things have a history of going out of battery and blowing up. Maybe they've fixed it, but usually it takes some aftermarket parts to make them 100% safe (crazy to say).
Ah... that' would be a problem. Lol. I have to believe that selling to the US civ market has forced them to get their problems sorted out. Too many other options. Geez PSA has the 3+ on sale for $849.99. The one they are selling doesn't have a threaded barrel but for that price... Quick search shows lots of aftermarket options to improve the bolt release, trigger , recoil spring etc .
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