Media malpractice and the Derek Chauvin trial

[Willence]

I'm really worried about what's going to come in the aftermath of this trial. The entire George Floyd tragedy is filled with far more falsehood than fact. Most people are completely unaware of the realities of the case. When the likely acquittal of Chauvin occurs, I fear the reaction we will see. Our country could be so much better prepared for this if we had actual facts instead of feelings related to this matter. Just consider the following list:

1. This is presumed to be a racist murder by a police officer. But there's absolutely zero evidence that this was, in any way, a racially motivated event. It was long ago assumed racist and that's what's going to come through in this. It's a shame we didn't recognize early on this wasn't necessary a racial situation. Especially considering the substantial amount of evidence around the nation that this method of restraint was used against white suspects and black suspects alike.
2. The knee to the neck restraint used is unacceptable to me but it was a generally accepted use of force by the police department in Minneapolis at the time. It wasn't some outlandish event at that time.
3. George Floyd has a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. The entire video paints a very different picture that what we saw during the painful period when he was being retrained with a knee to his neck.
4. Chauvin is charged with murder but that wasn't murder. He's never going to be convicted of this charge. Only a lesser charge has any chance of conviction. I think many will find that highly frustrating and who knows what the result may be.

Bottom line is narratives over facts are everywhere in this case. It's something that's torn a hole in our nation and I fear it will do so even more in the near future. So much about this has been falsely portrayed and inaccurate assumptions have been allowed to become presumed facts. There's a lot to fear here...

 

[TigerGrowls]

Derek Chauvin Requests Change of Venue After George Floyd Family Receives $27 Million From City | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

Defense lawyers for former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin have requested a delay and a change of venue after news broke that the city paid George Floyd’s family a record breaking $27 million settlement.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[HumasButthole]

I'm really worried about what's going to come in the aftermath of this trial. The entire George Floyd tragedy is filled with far more falsehood than fact. Most people are completely unaware of the realities of the case. When the likely acquittal of Chauvin occurs, I fear the reaction we will see. Our country could be so much better prepared for this if we had actual facts instead of feelings related to this matter. Just consider the following list:

1. This is presumed to be a racist murder by a police officer. But there's absolutely zero evidence that this was, in any way, a racially motivated event. It was long ago assumed racist and that's what's going to come through in this. It's a shame we didn't recognize early on this wasn't necessary a racial situation. Especially considering the substantial amount of evidence around the nation that this method of restraint was used against white suspects and black suspects alike.
2. The knee to the neck restraint used is unacceptable to me but it was a generally accepted use of force by the police department in Minneapolis at the time. It wasn't some outlandish event at that time.
3. George Floyd has a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. The entire video paints a very different picture that what we saw during the painful period when he was being retrained with a knee to his neck.
4. Chauvin is charged with murder but that wasn't murder. He's never going to be convicted of this charge. Only a lesser charge has any chance of conviction. I think many will find that highly frustrating and who knows what the result may be.

Bottom line is narratives over facts are everywhere in this case. It's something that's torn a hole in our nation and I fear it will do so even more in the near future. So much about this has been falsely portrayed and inaccurate assumptions have been allowed to become presumed facts. There's a lot to fear here...

Let’s just call it what it is - fabricated hysteria.

The media/swamp wanted race riots, and they got race riots

 

[jakefest]

I'm really worried about what's going to come in the aftermath of this trial. The entire George Floyd tragedy is filled with far more falsehood than fact. Most people are completely unaware of the realities of the case. When the likely acquittal of Chauvin occurs, I fear the reaction we will see. Our country could be so much better prepared for this if we had actual facts instead of feelings related to this matter. Just consider the following list:

1. This is presumed to be a racist murder by a police officer. But there's absolutely zero evidence that this was, in any way, a racially motivated event. It was long ago assumed racist and that's what's going to come through in this. It's a shame we didn't recognize early on this wasn't necessary a racial situation. Especially considering the substantial amount of evidence around the nation that this method of restraint was used against white suspects and black suspects alike.
2. The knee to the neck restraint used is unacceptable to me but it was a generally accepted use of force by the police department in Minneapolis at the time. It wasn't some outlandish event at that time.
3. George Floyd has a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. The entire video paints a very different picture that what we saw during the painful period when he was being retrained with a knee to his neck.
4. Chauvin is charged with murder but that wasn't murder. He's never going to be convicted of this charge. Only a lesser charge has any chance of conviction. I think many will find that highly frustrating and who knows what the result may be.

Bottom line is narratives over facts are everywhere in this case. It's something that's torn a hole in our nation and I fear it will do so even more in the near future. So much about this has been falsely portrayed and inaccurate assumptions have been allowed to become presumed facts. There's a lot to fear here...

I thought they might have gotten manslaughter had they focused on the facts of the case instead of political pressure but the DA wanted to swing for the fences. Kneeling on the neck was in their training manuals so his defense will hone in on how he was just doing what he was trained to do. The fact that the MPD removed it after the fact would actually be a strong defense tactic.

Personally, I think anything less than a murder 2 conviction and we are looking at another spring/summer of violence in cities. The media won't help here as the focus will be on injustice instead of a weak plan by the DA.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

I thought they might have gotten manslaughter had they focused on the facts of the case instead of political pressure but the DA wanted to swing for the fences. Kneeling on the neck was in their training manuals so his defense will hone in on how he was just doing what he was trained to do. The fact that the MPD removed it after the fact would actually be a strong defense tactic.

Personally, I think anything less than a murder 2 conviction and we are looking at another spring/summer of violence in cities. The media won't help here as the focus will be on injustice instead of a weak plan by the DA.

They will never get a murder charge it is setup for failure. To prove 2nd degree murder they need to prove that Chauvin started his day out with the intent to commit murder, will never happen, this is a ticking time bomb

 

[WapPride]

I'm really worried about what's going to come in the aftermath of this trial. The entire George Floyd tragedy is filled with far more falsehood than fact. Most people are completely unaware of the realities of the case. When the likely acquittal of Chauvin occurs, I fear the reaction we will see. Our country could be so much better prepared for this if we had actual facts instead of feelings related to this matter. Just consider the following list:

1. This is presumed to be a racist murder by a police officer. But there's absolutely zero evidence that this was, in any way, a racially motivated event. It was long ago assumed racist and that's what's going to come through in this. It's a shame we didn't recognize early on this wasn't necessary a racial situation. Especially considering the substantial amount of evidence around the nation that this method of restraint was used against white suspects and black suspects alike.
2. The knee to the neck restraint used is unacceptable to me but it was a generally accepted use of force by the police department in Minneapolis at the time. It wasn't some outlandish event at that time.
3. George Floyd has a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. The entire video paints a very different picture that what we saw during the painful period when he was being retrained with a knee to his neck.
4. Chauvin is charged with murder but that wasn't murder. He's never going to be convicted of this charge. Only a lesser charge has any chance of conviction. I think many will find that highly frustrating and who knows what the result may be.

Bottom line is narratives over facts are everywhere in this case. It's something that's torn a hole in our nation and I fear it will do so even more in the near future. So much about this has been falsely portrayed and inaccurate assumptions have been allowed to become presumed facts. There's a lot to fear here...

Lol at listening to you drag on about facts but you do nothing but offer opinions.

Go back to Breitbart

 

[Willence]

Lol at listening to you drag on about facts but you do nothing but offer opinions.

Go back to Breitbart

Typical response. I don't understand why you would seek to just diminish a viewpoint you disagree with that way. I don't read Breitbart. I read the law. There are a lot of very prominent criminal attorneys who know what will happen here. Which statement wasn't based in some fact or complete fact?

 

[TheValley91]

I'm really worried about what's going to come in the aftermath of this trial. The entire George Floyd tragedy is filled with far more falsehood than fact. Most people are completely unaware of the realities of the case. When the likely acquittal of Chauvin occurs, I fear the reaction we will see. Our country could be so much better prepared for this if we had actual facts instead of feelings related to this matter. Just consider the following list:

1. This is presumed to be a racist murder by a police officer. But there's absolutely zero evidence that this was, in any way, a racially motivated event. It was long ago assumed racist and that's what's going to come through in this. It's a shame we didn't recognize early on this wasn't necessary a racial situation. Especially considering the substantial amount of evidence around the nation that this method of restraint was used against white suspects and black suspects alike.
2. The knee to the neck restraint used is unacceptable to me but it was a generally accepted use of force by the police department in Minneapolis at the time. It wasn't some outlandish event at that time.
3. George Floyd has a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. The entire video paints a very different picture that what we saw during the painful period when he was being retrained with a knee to his neck.
4. Chauvin is charged with murder but that wasn't murder. He's never going to be convicted of this charge. Only a lesser charge has any chance of conviction. I think many will find that highly frustrating and who knows what the result may be.

Bottom line is narratives over facts are everywhere in this case. It's something that's torn a hole in our nation and I fear it will do so even more in the near future. So much about this has been falsely portrayed and inaccurate assumptions have been allowed to become presumed facts. There's a lot to fear here...

Looks like this didn't age well. Or were the facts not actually facts?

 

[nytigerfan]

Looks like this didn't age well. Or were the facts not actually facts?

Thanks for bumping this thread. My point in posting in here is not to take some type of victory lap. My true hope is that posters like @Willence , @jakefest and even crazy ass @SconnyTiger25 will consider the fact that the places where they get their "facts" might be flawed. Intent to murder was never a prequalifier for murder conviction. Kneeling on the neck was not a standard procedure. Your "complete facts" that you shared in this post with such confidence were not actually facts at all.

Just something to think about in the future. There may be better news sources for you out there,

 

[Willence]

Looks like this didn't age well. Or were the facts not actually facts?

It aged just fine. I stand by what I said. A lot of the brightest legal minds in America agree with me. You can never predict what's going to happen in a trial like this where the bullies and morons will do anything and everything to get what they want. It won't surprise me if the entire thing is overturned on appeal.

As for @nytigerfan telling me where to get my news. I stated facts in my original post. @nytigerfan and facts rarely collide in the same thought. Also, he didn't have his knee on his neck. There's footage that clearly displays as much. Also, there was no trauma to his throat area that would demonstrate a loss of ability to breath from pressure. Chauvin weighs like 150lbs. and Floyd was a much bigger man. It also was an allowable procedure at the time. I don't want Chauvin to get off. I hated what I saw and it was clear as Floyd began to fade they didn't take action to deal with the change in his condition. I was always concerned about this trial because I know the quality of thought going through a lot of people's heads and that is a scary thing.

You guys are partisans. I am a Constitutionalist. I get my news from all over the place. And I very rarely find that I have been led into non-factual areas. I don't suffer from confirmation bias. I just call it like it see it. I'm an independent thinker. This jury was tainted and I don't blame them one bit. I would have done and said anything to not be on that jury. Their lives were literally at risk if they didn't do what the mob wanted. That people think that's justice is a travesty. Chauvin should be going to jail but this wasn't handled right. He was put out there for public devouring.

 

[TheValley91]

It aged just fine. I stand by what I said. A lot of the brightest legal minds in America agree with me. You can never predict what's going to happen in a trial like this where the bullies and morons will do anything and everything to get what they want. It won't surprise me if the entire thing is overturned on appeal.

As for @nytigerfan telling me where to get my news. I stated facts in my original post. @nytigerfan and facts rarely collide in the same thought. Also, he didn't have his knee on his neck. There's footage that clearly displays as much. Also, there was no trauma to his throat area that would demonstrate a loss of ability to breath from pressure. Chauvin weighs like 150lbs. and Floyd was a much bigger man. It also was an allowable procedure at the time. I don't want Chauvin to get off. I hated what I saw and it was clear as Floyd began to fade they didn't take action to deal with the change in his condition. I was always concerned about this trial because I know the quality of thought going through a lot of people's heads and that is a scary thing.

You guys are partisans. I am a Constitutionalist. I get my news from all over the place. And I very rarely find that I have been led into non-factual areas. I don't suffer from confirmation bias. I just call it like it see it. I'm an independent thinker. This jury was tainted and I don't blame them one bit. I would have done and said anything to not be on that jury. Their lives were literally at risk if they didn't do what the mob wanted. That people think that's justice is a travesty. Chauvin should be going to jail but this wasn't handled right. He was put out there for public devouring.

What a long winded post to show you can't face the truth and are afraid to admit when you were proven wrong.

It won't be overturned, the jury wasn't tainted, Chauvin killed a man and is being held accountable.

Show me the brightest legal minds that think this was a poor judgment.

Accept you were wrong. First step to growing as an individual.

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Thanks for bumping this thread. My point in posting in here is not to take some type of victory lap. My true hope is that posters like @Willence , @jakefest and even crazy ass @SconnyTiger25 will consider the fact that the places where they get their "facts" might be flawed. Intent to murder was never a prequalifier for murder conviction. Kneeling on the neck was not a standard procedure. Your "complete facts" that you shared in this post with such confidence were not actually facts at all.

Just something to think about in the future. There may be better news sources for you out there,

I understand your point as I understand your points past. From a legal standpoint, In order to prove 2nd degree, intent must be established. 3rd degree perfect, 2nd degree manslaughter perfect, 2nd degree was too much and will get beat on appeal.

I know that he was guilty, we all saw that. He did have drugs in his system which added to the duress but only thing they got wrong was 2nd degree murder.

Maxine Waters stupid comments might give him a better chance on appeal unfortunately.

I am glad as are most of us that there was not anymore violence and if Chauvin gets sacrificed for that peace on 2nd degree murder charge, I will not lose sleep over it. Let’s file this one under justice was served, he will get shanked soon and hopefully goes away from the media. the country has endured enough violence in the streets over the past year.

I am happy to say I did get this one partially wrong as I figured the law would give the man due justice and not convict of 2nd Degree Murder. I’ll gladly eat crow anytime the country wins and I’m wrong. The country won yesterday and it was needed.

 

[Willence]

What a long winded post to show you can't face the truth and are afraid to admit when you were proven wrong.

It won't be overturned, the jury wasn't tainted, Chauvin killed a man and is being held accountable.

Show me the brightest legal minds that think this was a poor judgment.

Accept you were wrong. First step to growing as an individual.

I wasn't proven wrong. I couldn't have been proven right either. I had a fear that I expressed because of certain facts of the case. In case you're a little slow (which we know you are) we have a system of justice that can often be very subjective. If it was set in stone what right was, we wouldn't need a trial by jury system predicated on innocence and being proven guilty. What I expressed was my opinion.

People like Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley (among many others) share many of the same concerns. What we just witnessed was not all that different from when the KKK would mount protests of jury trials in the South over 100 years ago to influence a verdict through intimidation. Many of those decisions were appealed and reversed. Chauvin belongs in jail. What he did was terrible. I just don't want to lose our sense of how things should be done in the process. We've had that happen before to terrible consequences. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.

 

[TheValley91]

I wasn't proven wrong. I couldn't have been proven right either. I had a fear that I expressed because of certain facts of the case. In case you're a little slow (which we know you are) we have a system of justice that can often be very subjective. If it was set in stone what right was, we wouldn't need a trial by jury system predicated on innocence and being proven guilty. What I expressed was my opinion.

People like Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley (among many others) share many of the same concerns. What we just witnessed was not all that different from when the KKK would mount protests of jury trials in the South over 100 years ago to influence a verdict through intimidation. Many of those decisions were appealed and reversed. Chauvin belongs in jail. What he did was terrible. I just don't want to lose our sense of how things should be done in the process. We've had that happen before to terrible consequences. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.

You are a lost cause and may God have mercy on your soul.

Nothing about this is close to KKK affecting jurys.

You are being left behind in society. No ones fault but your own.

 

[Willence]

You are a lost cause and may God have mercy on your soul.

Nothing about this is close to KKK affecting jurys.

You are being left behind in society. No ones fault but your own.

You don't even know me. I'm not left behind at all. In fact, my entire life I've been ahead of things in this area. But really, if I met with your approval, I would question myself. I have a very low opinion of you. I'm not at all concerned about what you think.

I know history and I am constantly endeavoring to educate myself on things. You're just here for the moment and the emotion of now. You're definitely in the majority these days but that doesn't make you right. I'm not really interested in more fighting with people. Just like to discuss and debate things. You're not the guy for that. Good luck to you!

 

[TheValley91]

You don't even know me. I'm not left behind at all. In fact, my entire life I've been ahead of things in this area. But really, if I met with your approval, I would question myself. I have a very low opinion of you. I'm not at all concerned about what you think.

I know history and I am constantly endeavoring to educate myself on things. You're just here for the moment and the emotion of now. You're definitely in the majority these days but that doesn't make you right. I'm not really interested in more fighting with people. Just like to discuss and debate things. You're not the guy for that. Good luck to you!

You give the benefit of the doubt to people who clearly murdered someone. A jury of a multitude of races and ages decided that based on the evidence given, it was 2nd degree murder.

This trial was also live streamed for all to see. Nothing was a secret.

Your opinion was that this would be an unfair tainted trial before it began. No matter the facts and data given to you at that point, you made your mind up and would never come off that.

You clearly haven't educated yourself enough.

 

[nytigerfan]

I wasn't proven wrong. I couldn't have been proven right either. I had a fear that I expressed because of certain facts of the case. In case you're a little slow (which we know you are) we have a system of justice that can often be very subjective. If it was set in stone what right was, we wouldn't need a trial by jury system predicated on innocence and being proven guilty. What I expressed was my opinion.

People like Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley (among many others) share many of the same concerns. What we just witnessed was not all that different from when the KKK would mount protests of jury trials in the South over 100 years ago to influence a verdict through intimidation. Many of those decisions were appealed and reversed. Chauvin belongs in jail. What he did was terrible. I just don't want to lose our sense of how things should be done in the process. We've had that happen before to terrible consequences. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.

People like Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley (among many others) share many of the same concerns.

This is what I am talking about. You are getting your information from pundits who are paid to appear on Fox News and Newsmax opinion shows and parrot agreed upon talking points. They literally said those things on cable news shows that want ratings and to drive a narrative. Stop watching cable news opinion shows and coming on here and presenting it as fact. They are almost as bad as the Gateway Pundit.

And before you jump into a whataboutism defense, no I dont watch CNN or CNBC or any other entertainment news. I read.

 

[Willence]

People like Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley (among many others) share many of the same concerns.

This is what I am talking about. You are getting your information from pundits who are paid to appear on Fox News and Newsmax opinion shows and parrot agreed upon talking points. They literally said those things on cable news shows that want ratings and to drive a narrative. Stop watching cable news opinion shows and coming on here and presenting it as fact. They are almost as bad as the Gateway Pundit.

And before you jump into a whataboutism defense, no I dont watch CNN or CNBC or any other entertainment news. I read.

These are people who voted for Joe Biden for President. They aren't partisans. They have their own podcasts which I listen to. You don't have a damn clue what you're talking about. If you think Alan Dershowitz is for sale then you're just living in fantasy-land. And for the last time, I don't watch any cable news...ever. As in never. Also, stop talking like you're informed when you just aren't. I hate to break it to you but you're just another partisan hack. You are invested in a desired outcome. You'll manipulate and distort anything that gets you there and you'll de-legitimize anything that gets in the way of that. I pray for your success and well being but in these areas, you offer nothing of any value. I do hope you'll eventually see that.

 

[Willence]

You give the benefit of the doubt to people who clearly murdered someone. A jury of a multitude of races and ages decided that based on the evidence given, it was 2nd degree murder.

This trial was also live streamed for all to see. Nothing was a secret.

Your opinion was that this would be an unfair tainted trial before it began. No matter the facts and data given to you at that point, you made your mind up and would never come off that.

You clearly haven't educated yourself enough.

You clearly don't quite understand what murder is. Again, for the 1000th time, I think he should rot in jail. I'm all for moving forward. But that's not what is going to happen. I only look at facts. I don't indulge my feelings about any of this. My feelings are irrelevant.

 

[moradatiger70]

I understand your point as I understand your points past. From a legal standpoint, In order to prove 2nd degree, intent must be established. 3rd degree perfect, 2nd degree manslaughter perfect, 2nd degree was too much and will get beat on appeal.

I know that he was guilty, we all saw that. He did have drugs in his system which added to the duress but only thing they got wrong was 2nd degree murder.

Maxine Waters stupid comments might give him a better chance on appeal unfortunately.

I am glad as are most of us that there was not anymore violence and if Chauvin gets sacrificed for that peace on 2nd degree murder charge, I will not lose sleep over it. Let’s file this one under justice was served, he will get shanked soon and hopefully goes away from the media. the country has endured enough violence in the streets over the past year.

I am happy to say I did get this one partially wrong as I figured the law would give the man due justice and not convict of 2nd Degree Murder. I’ll gladly eat crow anytime the country wins and I’m wrong. The country won yesterday and it was needed.

You won't get a comment back on this post from our liberal friends. They don't want to hear someone who backs up what they believe in, someone who can admit a mistake or just be happy they were wrong because its benefits are better than being right . That is foreign to their ears and foreign to what they believe in.

 

[dpic73]

You won't get a comment back on this post from our liberal friends. They don't want to hear someone who backs up what they believe in, someone who can admit a mistake or just be happy they were wrong because its benefits are better than being right . That is foreign to their ears and foreign to what they believe in.

We are just stunned by his moment of sanity and don't know how to react, but I applaud his clarity on this issue. We're just gobsmacked by it...

 

[jakefest]

Thanks for bumping this thread. My point in posting in here is not to take some type of victory lap. My true hope is that posters like @Willence , @jakefest and even crazy ass @SconnyTiger25 will consider the fact that the places where they get their "facts" might be flawed. Intent to murder was never a prequalifier for murder conviction. Kneeling on the neck was not a standard procedure. Your "complete facts" that you shared in this post with such confidence were not actually facts at all.

Just something to think about in the future. There may be better news sources for you out there,

Do you work for CNN? If I had a dollar for every time I read a post from you about "facts" and those not coming from ANY other news source than CNN, I'd retire and move to a red state.

Honestly, I just don't care anymore. I have not a single ounce of f*cks to give about D. Chauvin but what you just witnessed sets a really bad tone for future legal hearings in this rapidly falling apart country. I wish some of ya'll were smart enough to realize that but you're too blinded by the "woke" light to see that the system is being torn down. I wish you had this much passion when it came to preventing government spending........

The judge who ruled over the case already set the tone for an appeal due to mistrial, question is what court will hear it out of fear. Our nation is now mob rule and that's solely because Dems like you support it.

 

[nytigerfan]

Do you work for CNN? If I had a dollar for every time I read a post from you about "facts" and those not coming from ANY other news source than CNN, I'd retire and move to a red state.

Honestly, I just don't care anymore. I have not a single ounce of f*cks to give about D. Chauvin but what you just witnessed sets a really bad tone for future legal hearings in this rapidly falling apart country. I wish some of ya'll were smart enough to realize that but you're too blinded by the "woke" light to see that the system is being torn down. I wish you had this much passion when it came to preventing government spending........

The judge who ruled over the case already set the tone for an appeal due to mistrial, question is what court will hear it out of fear. Our nation is now mob rule and that's solely because Dems like you support it.

sure buddy

 

[jakefest]

sure buddy

Ha.....nice

 

[dpic73]

Do you work for CNN? If I had a dollar for every time I read a post from you about "facts" and those not coming from ANY other news source than CNN, I'd retire and move to a red state.

Honestly, I just don't care anymore. I have not a single ounce of f*cks to give about D. Chauvin but what you just witnessed sets a really bad tone for future legal hearings in this rapidly falling apart country. I wish some of ya'll were smart enough to realize that but you're too blinded by the "woke" light to see that the system is being torn down. I wish you had this much passion when it came to preventing government spending........

The judge who ruled over the case already set the tone for an appeal due to mistrial, question is what court will hear it out of fear. Our nation is now mob rule and that's solely because Dems like you support it.

Dude, I'm surprised you've taken it that far. What happened to the fair minded, balanced Jake? Does it really matter if this trial was influenced from the outside by the woke or if there was a lesser charge he could have been convicted of or if fear played into it? Murder is murder and we all saw it with our own eyes. It was the correct verdict regardless of the noise. You're making it out to be SOLELY political, but even if you remove all the other factors, the man is still dead and Chauvin caused it. You sure you're not the one who's blinded?

 

[TigerGrowls]

Dude, I'm surprised you've taken it that far. What happened to the fair minded, balanced Jake? Does it really matter if this trial was influenced from the outside by the woke or if there was a lesser charge he could have been convicted of or if fear played into it? Murder is murder and we all saw it with our own eyes. It was the correct verdict regardless of the noise. You're making it out to be SOLELY political, but even if you remove all the other factors, the man is still dead and Chauvin caused it. You sure you're not the one who's blinded?

@jakefest and even @scotchtiger and @Willence ...lesson to be learned here here is these lib goofballs will love you only as long as you bend over and agree with them. There is not much room to occupy in the middle with these libs due to their far left stance on most issues and their cognitive dissonance living in a false reality.

 

[dpic73]

@jakefest and even @scotchtiger and @Willence ...lesson to be learned here here is these lib goofballs will love you only as long as you bend over and agree with them. There is not much room to occupy in the middle with these libs due to their far left stance on most issues and their cognitive dissonance living in a false reality.

You're wrong you tin foiled hatted hayseed. I respect them both. You, not at all.

 

[jakefest]

Dude, I'm surprised you've taken it that far. What happened to the fair minded, balanced Jake? Does it really matter if this trial was influenced from the outside by the woke or if there was a lesser charge he could have been convicted of or if fear played into it? Murder is murder and we all saw it with our own eyes. It was the correct verdict regardless of the noise. You're making it out to be SOLELY political, but even if you remove all the other factors, the man is still dead and Chauvin caused it. You sure you're not the one who's blinded?

I'm honestly doing my best man but I'm a bit baffled that no one puts any responsibility on George Floyd, the person that broke the law, ate a bunch of drugs and then resisted arrest for a substantial amount of time. Imagine if he had just accepted that he was going to jail and got in the back of the car.........

Chauvin deserves to do time, I don't contest that but anyone that thinks that the jury had any choice other than guilty is dreaming and that makes me fear for future cases.

 

[TheValley91]

I'm honestly doing my best man but I'm a bit baffled that no one puts any responsibility on George Floyd, the person that broke the law, ate a bunch of drugs and then resisted arrest for a substantial amount of time. Imagine if he had just accepted that he was going to jail and got in the back of the car.........

Chauvin deserves to do time, I don't contest that but anyone that thinks that the jury had any choice other than guilty is dreaming and that makes me fear for future cases.

Imagine if Chauvin had done his job and not murdered someone...

Cmon man.

 

[jakefest]

Imagine if Chauvin had done his job and not murdered someone...

Cmon man.

you mean manslaughter'd someone?

 

[TheValley91]

you mean manslaughter'd someone?

Nope, by the letter of the law and confirmed by a jury, he murdered someone.

 

[Willence]

Nope, by the letter of the law and confirmed by a jury, he murdered someone.

Says the guy was absent the day they taught common sense and completely missed the day they taught law at law school.

 

[iceheart08]

Says the guy was absent the day they taught common sense and completely missed the day they taught law at law school.

What?

 

[dpic73]

I'm honestly doing my best man but I'm a bit baffled that no one puts any responsibility on George Floyd, the person that broke the law, ate a bunch of drugs and then resisted arrest for a substantial amount of time. Imagine if he had just accepted that he was going to jail and got in the back of the car.........

Chauvin deserves to do time, I don't contest that but anyone that thinks that the jury had any choice other than guilty is dreaming and that makes me fear for future cases.

And I'm baffled why there's a divide between Democrats and Republicans on the outcome. Is there something about the defendant and victim that would make the country want to take political sides?? What would that thing be? After the victim was handcuffed and prone, it no longer mattered that he resisted, so the real story starts at that point. He was murdered plain and simple. I'm trying to see your point because I respect you, but I believe you got this one wrong.

 

[TigerGrowls]

You're wrong you tin foiled hatted hayseed. I respect them both. You, not at all.

Go stick it you lilly livered lib lunatic. Your respect would be an insult to most decent minded individuals based on the stupid shit you post on this board.

 

[jakefest]

And I'm baffled why there's a divide between Democrats and Republicans on the outcome. Is there something about the defendant and victim that would make the country want to take political sides?? What would that thing be? After the victim was handcuffed and prone, it no longer mattered that he resisted, so the real story starts at that point. He was murdered plain and simple. I'm trying to see your point because I respect you, but I believe you got this one wrong.

I actually don't know if that's true regarding the outcome, I think it's more around how the case was processed the judge not allowing for a change of venue, the Maxine visit, the president of the US weighing in on his hopes for guilty before a verdict rendered.....etc. All of those aren't common. Most importantly though, the threat to the jury of spending the rest of their life in exile and potential physical harm if they didn't find him guilty of all charges. Also, conservatives traditionally (maybe blindly) support law and order which by default means the police so maybe the divide starts there?

I wanted Chauvin to be found guilty as much as anyone but I also wanted a fair trial with appropriate charges and I can't see how he had that. Worth mentioning that drunk drivers who get behind the wheel and kill someone often get manslaughter as the charge rendered and the defense is "I never intended to kill or hurt anyone" ....food for thought maybe.

I also think that many have no idea how much your adrenaline can drive bad decisions or even no decisions in critical thinking moments. It's feasibly possible that the resisting, the volatile/turning hostile crowd, etc had as much to do with him not letting him up as any intent to harm or hurt him. Police officers need the same training I had......high stress, high adrenaline until it becomes muscle memory and your brain learns how to function with copious amounts of adrenaline pumping through your body. Especially now that everyone seems to think it's ok to resist arrest, run or just simply not cooperate.

Can I ask you a question though? If so many people on here care so much about ensuring our police are governed and held accountable, how come there is no outrage that the cop in the Capitol shooting hasn't been made public and won't see a trial? Help me understand that

 

[dpic73]

Go stick it you lilly livered lib lunatic. Your respect would be an insult to most decent minded individuals based on the stupid shit you post on this board.

I know they don't give you much time to think at the overnight chicken processing plant, so I'll forgive you for thinking you landed a punch.

 

[dpic73]

I actually don't know if that's true regarding the outcome, I think it's more around how the case was processed the judge not allowing for a change of venue, the Maxine visit, the president of the US weighing in on his hopes for guilty before a verdict rendered.....etc. All of those aren't common. Most importantly though, the threat to the jury of spending the rest of their life in exile and potential physical harm if they didn't find him guilty of all charges. Also, conservatives traditionally (maybe blindly) support law and order which by default means the police so maybe the divide starts there?

Again, you may be right about the pressure from outside forces - I don't dispute that at all and I know I certainly wouldn't want to be on that jury. But putting all that aside, the verdict was still correct. I will stand by that.

Can I ask you a question though? If so many people on here care so much about ensuring our police are governed and held accountable, how come there is no outrage that the cop in the Capitol shooting hasn't been made public and won't see a trial? Help me understand that

If the implication is that I'm anti-cop, that's simply not correct. I respect the hell out of the police and understand the pressure they're under and believe they are vastly underpaid. To hell with the Defund the Police zealots - they don't reflect my feelings, even though I know they don't technically mean the police should be defunded. But as far as the policeman at the Capitol is concerned, what is there to be outraged about? What did he do wrong?

 

[jakefest]

Again, you may be right about the pressure from outside forces - I don't dispute that at all and I know I certainly wouldn't want to be on that jury. But putting all that aside, the verdict was still correct. I will stand by that.

If the implication is that I'm anti-cop, that's simply not correct. I respect the hell out of the police and understand the pressure they're under and believe they are vastly underpaid. To hell with the Defund the Police zealots - they don't reflect my feelings, even though I know they don't technically mean the police should be defunded. But as far as the policeman at the Capitol is concerned, what is there to be outraged about? What did he do wrong?

I would absolutely not imply that you're anti-anything, it's not my place to say or speak for you. It was a general statement around opposing views on the board, nothing more than that. Apologies if it read differently.

It's not about the actual shooting, it's about the process after. The shooting in Ohio already has a pro-basketball player and the white house tweeting out photos of the cop with "you're next" and racism undertones in tow and that man potentially saved someone's life. The woman at the Capitol was unarmed, didn't pose much physical threat and she was on the receiving end of the only weapon discharge that day. Now, personally for me.....you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes but the point here is that that police officer was protected from the media and didn't stand any sort of trial like these other officers are being forced to do. I can't help but think these are politically influenced outcomes.......am I wrong?

My point here is, I find it unsettling that there can be outrage over the Ohio shooting or the Daunte Wright shooting but not the Capitol shooting. We can spend an eternity pointing out the gray areas but the black and white is either you support the use of force or you don't. If you do, you accept that split second decisions can't be subjected to slowed down versions and hindsight and if you don't, then all of them are bad and there should be outrage. I'm struggling to see the middle here.

 

[dpic73]

I would absolutely not imply that you're anti-anything, it's not my place to say or speak for you. It was a general statement around opposing views on the board, nothing more than that. Apologies if it read differently.

It's not about the actual shooting, it's about the process after. The shooting in Ohio already has a pro-basketball player and the white house tweeting out photos of the cop with "you're next" and racism undertones in tow and that man potentially saved someone's life. The woman at the Capitol was unarmed, didn't pose much physical threat and she was on the receiving end of the only weapon discharge that day. Now, personally for me.....you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes but the point here is that that police officer was protected from the media and didn't stand any sort of trial like these other officers are being forced to do. I can't help but think these are politically influenced outcomes.......am I wrong?

My point here is, I find it unsettling that there can be outrage over the Ohio shooting or the Daunte Wright shooting but not the Capitol shooting. We can spend an eternity pointing out the gray areas but the black and white is either you support the use of force or you don't. If you do, you accept that split second decisions can't be subjected to slowed down versions and hindsight and if you don't, then all of them are bad and there should be outrage. I'm struggling to see the middle here.

The struggle to see the middle is exactly because you see everything as black and white. One thing is the same as another thing, even though the circumstances are entirely different. The cop in the Capitol shooting had no time to determine that it was an unarmed female - he just saw that she was the tip of the spear of a mob frothing at the mouth. It was his duty to protect the members of Congress and had every right to believe they had bad intentions. I know you know this.

Every situation has to be judged on it's own merits rather than comparing it to another - one shooting doesn't equal another just because they both involved guns. For instance, I can understand why the officer in the Ohio shooting shot the girl, because when you see the slowed down footage, she was a second away from slashing the other girl's throat with a six inch blade. I can make the case that it was justified. That doesn't mean all police shootings are justified. I can understand the dilemma of split second decisions but that's really not what we're talking about with many of the others we've seen over the last few years.

And as far as Lebron and Maxine Waters go, they were both wrong to say what they did. I can parse what qualifies as a justified killing and what doesn't. I know you can as well if you want to.

Have a great day