My "something" is stricter gun laws and increased funding for mental health programs so we can get these people the help they need before they commit another tragedy. I don't think our society is any more sick than any other first world society, we just have easier access to devices that can easily commit mass murder than other nations.
I think we are in an especially bad situation. Perhaps I'm wrong about that but it's just my opinion based on observation and study related to what's going on around the world. We are also different than other countries in our mindset and the way we do things here. That's part of what makes us so great and it's also a big part of what makes things so terrible sometimes here. There's a good and a bad to all of it.
Now that we have found out who did these killings. This story will be dropped quickly like the Waukesha murders by the media.
$12 an hour doesn't leave a lot of leeway to be a hero
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I used to agree with your recommendation with only pistols, shotguns, and bolt action rifles being available to civilians, but over the last 4 years my trust in our Government has plummeted.
I'll never give up what I have .... ever.
Now with that said, going forward, I wouldnt hate extended wait times for certain style rifles (and certainly handguns), bans for clips above 10 rounds, and of course mandatory and extensive background checks with a psyche screening. My hang up there, is I dont believe that the information gathered during background checks, and purchase of the firearm should be retained. Its no business of the government to know what I have.
I also think that we should maintain and enforce the gun laws we currently have. Any crime committed with a firearm should be met with strict mandatory sentences and I believe that gun owners who dont properly safeguard their firearms and if those firearms are used in a crime they should be held liable. IF your gun is stolen, report it immediately. I think firing a gun in a public place in a attempt to commit a crime, is a act of domestic terrorism and should be met as such.
For this specific case, Ive made my opinion on transgenderism very well known ... I firmly believe it is a mental illness. Should Gender Dysphoria bar someone from purchasing firearms? I dont know how I feel about that ...
... I do firmly believe that when the "manifesto" is released, it will be confirmed that this individual purposefully targeted this Christian school and targeted Christian children in the name of "Trans-Rights". This is evil of the purest kind ... and this evil wants us to be enraged, Im not going to let it (at least for me personally)
We never get anywhere because the left thinks the solution is banning guns while the right is strictly opposed to any type of legislation.
If the public is gonna be armed, there should be some type of gun safety instruction involved in your first purchase. Many gun deaths are accidents, not intentional homicides.
The average age of onset for schizophrenia and psychosis is 24 years old. I think that is something that should be considered.
The media is a cancer to our society. They only push one narrative and only inflame debates. I can only imagine what would be happening right now if this were a Christian that shot someone in the trans/gay community
If the public is gonna be armed, there should be some type of gun safety instruction involved in your first purchase. Many gun deaths are accidents, not intentional homicides.
The average age of onset for schizophrenia and psychosis is 24 years old. I think that is something that should be considered.
The media is a cancer to our society. They only push one narrative and only inflame debates. I can only imagine what would be happening right now if this were a Christian that shot someone in the trans/gay community
Just look to the Colorado shooting from last fall.
The shooter being trans is a red herring. ~3 of the last 2800+ mass shootings in the US have been perpetrated by members of the LGBTQ community.
Also, major props to the Nashville Metro PD that did a tremendous job putting an end to this event. As awful as this whole event was, their quick action likely saved many lives.
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BODYCAM VIDEO: Moment Nashville Police encounter elementary school mass shooter
Metro Police released body camera footage showing the momenets officers
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I watched the body cam footage, and God bless those cops for their work.Also, major props to the Nashville Metro PD that did a tremendous job putting an end to this event. As awful as this whole event was, their quick action likely saved many lives.
BODYCAM VIDEO: Moment Nashville Police encounter elementary school mass shooter
Metro Police released body camera footage showing the momenets officers
Just sharing because Kings of Leon are one of my favorite groups and also Nashville natives.
Kings of Leon’s Nathan Followill expresses anger and grief over Nashville shooting
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Kings of Leon’s Nathan Followill expresses anger and grief over Nashville shooting
Kings of Leon's Nathan Followill expresses anger and grief over Nashville shooting | CNN
Following Monday's shooting at Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, Kings of Leon drummer Nathan Followill, who lives in the community, is airing his outrage at yet another incident of gun violence against schoolchildren, this one close to home.
Where I agree that the individual being Trans is probably irrelevant, I do think the motivations behind what they did is critical here.
"Radicalization" isnt exclusive to white supremists and Islamic radicals. Was this individual "radicalized" by the propaganda @TigerGrowls posted above? My gut is telling me "Yes", and if that is the case ... the groups that this individual followed, should be treated the same way.
Now what does that look like? ... Im not sure ... but calling for violence, and the groups calling for violence (even if loosely affiliated) should require some extra scrutiny
What did all the shootings really have in common? They were done by people who were willing to break mans laws and God's.
The leftist terrorist didnt use an AR15 so why are we talking about AR15's? Also rifles only accounted for like 408 of the killings of the over 13000 committed. Also out of the 408 AR15's only accounted for a % of the killings not the total number. Scissors kill way more kids every year...
This is yet another awful situation.
My heart goes out to the families of those victims.
My heart also goes out to the trans community. The conservative right has already declared war on them, and it is only going to get worse b/c of what this asshole did.
I see the usual crew is here, claiming "it is a mental health issue!" while also supporting politicians who vote down additional funding to go to mental health initiatives.
The truth, as always, lies in the middle. We need further gun control, we need further mental health assistance, we need less social media, and we need more parents to be more engaged with their children.
The Chicago weapons ban is not going well because 66% of guns recovered from Chicago crime scenes originated in surrounding red states with weaker gun laws.
Hope this helps.
They were also on psycho meds. Yet another mass shooting by a leftist on conservatives. But the issue is the drugs not the political party's. This is all being done in a effort to get us blue collar working class types to fight and kill eachother. So elites get on tv and call for the murder of pro-lifers and shit like this happens. Happens way more than we want to admit. People on both sides need to wake the **** up before its too late. **** the right/left bullshit. The ones leading the two groups are on their own side. We are puppets being used for their benefit. Wake the **** up people.
i think he's trying to say that kinda weapon escapes and breaks those laws on its own. obviously people couldn't be involved. if that were the case he'd list them and be seeking to identify causes for why we have so many people this fk'd up and proposing solutions.
although the causes aren't exactly rocket science...
The challenge with all of this is that the ideas you proposed will have no effect on these situations whatsoever. Getting rid of these weapons will have no effect on these situations whatsoever because people will just get them elsewhere.
An example would be marijuana. For most of my life marijuana has been illegal. Yet almost everyone I knew in high school and in college that desired to smoke marijuana had a plentiful supply. But it was not permitted in the United States and through the just say no campaign and other criminal legislation it was vigorously enforced. It was also backed up by the culture and movies and TV shows as something that was really bad. Yet again as I said, marijuana was everywhere. Never was it hard to get.
I have no confidence that anyone would be able to stop the flow of weapons to the wrong people. Even with background checks and everything else that you mentioned. Even with waiting periods. People would just wait out that time and then execute their act of evil. What people seem to miss it seems like in my opinion is that the individuals involved are willing to die. The woman who committed this crime yesterday texted people she was about to die. This was what she wanted and if you're willing to give your life to do something horrible then it's very hard to prevent that.
That's why I always come back to our rotten culture is a huge part of the problem. And some of the statements made in this thread about there being war declared on the trans community and all that kind of idiocy only furthers the likelihood of future violence. It would be wonderful if people would learn to stop putting forward more desperation to situations. Isn't that what we're told on the other side? I'm so tired of the one-way street that we have with relation to these issues. Something is either right or it's wrong and it doesn't matter which party says it or which ideology it comes from. It's either right or it is wrong and it is that thing all the time.
They obviously aren't concerned about the latter and a Christian education doesn't seem to be the answer either, since she went to this very school. So that just leaves what we can do about the former. What solution do you propose that Republicans won't vote down?
There are fvcked up people in other civilized countries as well but they seem to have figured it out.
Im not so sure ... where I agree that "Do something" isnt a plan, I do think some of the ideas presented in this thread (not necessarily mine) could at least mitigate some of the risk.
I have two ARs and I am quite proficient with both; so Im quite aware a 10 round magazine can be swapped quickly; however, in a situation where seconds matter ... a smaller magazine could mean the difference between life and death.
EDIT* and Im not so sure about your counter to extended wait times. Your counter is that of a rational person. These people are not rational ... we want to rationalize "Why did they do this?", but the only answer is because they are infected with evil. If a irrational/insane person has to wait longer, that is more opportunity for them to let the evil within them to be identified OR ... better yet for someone to reach out, show them that there are alternatives, and put them on a different path.
In this specific situation, we are now finding out that this person was under the care of a physician for mental issues. She was suicidal and her parents had encouraged her to get rid of her guns. She sold one and her parents thought that she had gotten rid of them all. She bought 7 firearms from 5 different stores all the while being under mental evaluation. Currently there is no "red flag" laws in TN that wouldve allowed law enforcement to seize her firearms, and I dont know if I would advocate for red flag laws, but I DO think it is worth the debate and discussion.
So the question remains, how did a individual who was suicidal and clearly mentally unstable legally purchase these firearms? I dont know man ... I just think its worth the debate. Unfortunately, neither side wants that debate, they dont want compromise, they dont want "solutions" ... they want the status-quo, because its great fodder for campaign finance.
One side says "Give me money and send me to Washington/State House and I will ban guns to protect our children"
The other side says "Give me money and send me to Washington/State House and I will protect your right to own firearms"
They know that both of these positions are non-starters.
They bicker at each other in the media, meanwhile the campaign dollars keep flowing in.
Youre right ... evil will always try to find a way, and for those that have turned their backs on God they are susceptible to this infection. Much to the chagrin of some, this is why prayer and openly sharing God's word and the love of Jesus Christ is so important. If it can reach one infected soul and bring them back from the precipice of despair, then that is a win. Its also important to not be enraged and to not "hate", because that is what this evil wants.
But, for something more tangible ... its worth the debate and ... we should demand that there is debate.
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Because it's far too easy for people to buy guns in this country? What other explanation do you need.
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Sure, so how about we make it significantly more difficult for such people to get guns? Or you can keep praying over graves. Mysticism isn't a solution.
You're missing my point a little here which I probably wasn't clear about so that's my bad. A point is that without respect for the parameters and rules of a society including the rule of law then we have nothing. Laws are meaningless if society does not respect the laws of that society. We are so circumstantial and how we enforce laws now and it's hard to know which ones are important laws and which ones aren't. That's why we've started to come unraveled a little bit.
The rule of law has to be something that we all agree to and that we respect and also that we enforce vigorously. And my argument is that if we start doing that then we will see last mass shootings by a dramatic amount. Then we can start getting criminals off the street and dealing with our mental health issues and will have a cohesive society that functions in the same direction. Right now we are living out the de Tocqueville's worst predictions.
Remember this is only traceable fire arms. Most gangs use untraceable firearms.
ATF trace data shows the top five states where guns recovered in Illinois were originally purchased from are Illinois (49.8%), Indiana (16.7%), Missouri (5.4%), Wisconsin (3.9%) and Kentucky (2.6%). Federal agents at the ATF identified the source state of 11,708 traced firearms in 2020.
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untraceable? lol. if you lost them, that's one thing. but untraceable?
seems like we might need more regulations to solve people losing guns.
Untraceable = serial numbers removed. SMFH. Or ghost gun..Ghost guns are unregulated firearms that anyone — including minors and prohibited purchasers — can buy and build without a background check. Ghost guns are unserialized and untraceable firearms that can be bought online and assembled at home.
Congrats on your senate win. Fetterman is doing an outstanding job.
SMH, this onslaught against anyone and everyone different has gone too damn far. No wonder they have mental trauma.
